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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Discussion Thread IV: Diamond is Unbreakable

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Part 8 SHA should've have the rating High 8-C+-8-B just as the calc says on the verse page 🗿
Just saying
 
I still think the most realistic way to get city block level is to request the "Jotaro Act" be added to the wiki, for special exceptions for huge scaling chains that don't quite make the upscaling cut, of course with Jotaro being the biggest example of this
since the tiering system is technically arbitrary, something like this could actually be done without any real "wank" having happened
we may have to resort to it if whatever secret 8-B evidence exists ends up failing, or we just stick with the highly unsatisfying high 8-C rating (bad)
 
I’m fairly sure one could say peak angry sp is 40% more powerful then rhcp after a chain like that. Hell, there are one shots in there aren’t there? Not even a 2x gap would let you one shot someone by punching their leg.
 
CBslayeR said:
7.8 tons rhcp < p4 star plat < prime star plat < the world < angry sp < high the world < angrier sp

I think this is right?
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7.8 tons rhcp < Part 6 Plat pre-coma (possibly only, idk if he would actually be > rhcp) << part 4 SP << Base Part 3 TW < Base Part 3 SP prime (not rage, only development, like, after learning time stop) <<< angry sp (can one shot base part 3 TW, not dust, but donut TW no diff) << high the world < angrier sp < Maximum power + still growing High TW (its said he gets stronger in combat or something, guidebook shtick.) < Much more Angrier SP <= Desperate + angry DIO (making his stand kinda stronger. I mean, emotions do be buffing ya, like anger primarily) <<<<<< Maximum rage Amped Jotaro + one final attack (putting his all into it) resulting in dio getting dusted. < No wounds, peak state + maximum rage amped SP (I mean, wounds do make ya weak, jotaro was quite wounded there, so imagine a jotaro in his peak state whilst rage amped < Fully grown SP (has learned time stop, is after the end of dio, 18 years old Jotaro) maximum rage amped jotaro.
 
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I’m pretty sure that if one shots were only like a 10% AP increase, which would be insanely small, star platinum would still be 8-B
I feel like it’s actually something completely agreed on that there’s no way peak star platinum is actually below 8-B it’s just that we don’t have anything we can use without opening the common sense arguments
but still I think we should have some kind of multiplier for one shots, considering we already have a multiplier technically, we just can only use it in vs threads, not actual values
but if I were debating anywhere else I’d definitely just say that Star Platinum is 8-B
 
ZillertheBucko said:
I’m pretty sure that if one shots were only like a 10% AP increase, which would be insanely small, star platinum would still be 8-B
I feel like it’s actually something completely agreed on that there’s no way peak star platinum is actually below 8-B it’s just that we don’t have anything we can use without opening the common sense arguments
but still I think we should have some kind of multiplier for one shots, considering we already have a multiplier technically, we just can only use it in vs threads, not actual values
but if I were debating anywhere else I’d definitely just say that Star Platinum is 8-B
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i heard that a one shot is 10x increase, something like SP did, that is, but idk.
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
7.8 tons rhcp < Part 6 Plat pre-coma (possibly only, idk if he would actually be > rhcp) << part 4 SP << Base Part 3 TW < Base Part 3 SP prime (not rage, only development, like, after learning time stop) <<< angry sp (can one shot base part 3 TW, not dust, but donut TW no diff) << high the world < angrier sp > Maximum power + still growing High TW (its said he gets stronger in combat or something, guidebook shtick.) < Much more Angrier SP <= Desperate + angry DIO (making his stand kinda stronger. I mean, emotions do be buffing ya, like anger primarily) <<<<<< Maximum rage Amped Jotaro + one final attack (putting his all into it) resulting in dio getting dusted. < No wounds, peak state + maximum rage amped SP (I mean, wounds do make ya weak, jotaro was quite wounded there, so imagine a jotaro in his peak state whilst rage amped < Fully grown SP (has learned time stop, is after the end of dio, 18 years old Jotaro) maximum rage amped jotaro.
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And he ain’t 8-B. Naw
 
So let’s do 7.8 x 1.1 for however many upscale we got.
CBslayeR said:
7.8 tons rhcp < p4 star plat < prime star plat < the world < angry sp < high the world < angrier sp

I think this is right?
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13.8181758 tons. And if u consider how injured He was, a theoretical Sp with max rage at full hp would be above that, so let’s add another 1.1. 15.19999338 tons. There’s no way a 10% increase is gonna be controversial when some of the stuff in this is huge gaps in power.
 
We don't give out free 1.1 in scaling chains here. Anyways 8-B won't happen that's why we have the higher rating.

But if you were to ask me, I'd personally up Part 4 Star Platinum to baseline 8-B for implications that he would severely damage morioh rhcp in 1 barrage 🤔
 
You ALL need to chill the **** out with this. We are explicitly not allowed to do this shit.
The most we're allowed is a SINGLE one shot in scaling, any further one shots beyond that don't effect tiering but instead just get an "at least" or "higher", if you want to do this offsite, that is fine, Star Platinum can be 8-B in your hearts, but we have standards we gotta follow.
But as said, that said one shot must be, usually, within 20-25% of the next tier in order to elevate to the next tier. Star Platinum's shit misses that mark.

As it stands, Star Platinum doesn't qualify, he could have literally a billion one shots under his belt, only the first is going to count (Actually if it was a billion we'd probably just slap an unknown on him, but you get what I'm saying, we'd sooner do "Unknown" then upscale a huge amount).

Also that scaling chain is sus as **** and has way to much guesswork, we don't do that, we only include what we know for sure, no presumptions, no "well probably this", we need explicit statements or demonstrable proof.

If you people want this, make a CRT for it, and not a CRT about JoJo, I'm talking a complete wiki wide CRT, don't even mention JoJo in it, that just paints a biased view of you and kinda makes it obvious you're only doing this for big numbers on a verse you like.
This is a general rule we have to avoid slippery slopes or over inflation, you know how many shounens would get multiple huge jumps if we just went "every one shot is 1.1x lol", we'd have dude's jumping hundreds of times if not more based on just one shot chains when their best feat is like ten magnitudes lower (Because don't forget, if you really do a 1.1x per one shot, it's not actually 1.1x, it's 1.1x above every previous 1x1, it's technically exponential).
You're all way to thirsty, BAKEN is being the voice of reason here, Baken. The residential Star Platinum simp and 8-B supporter.
 
Yeah, even via our current upscaling standards, the highest SP is gonna get is a likely 8-B similar to what Boros and Tatsumaki got back when orochi was 5-C+, and that was really generous.
 
Like case and point, Saitama has never been rated a whole tier above or multiple tiers above dudes unless the dudes were already quite close to the next (such as like two weeks ago with 5-B Saitama before that was retconned out of existence), and he's LITERALLY one shot the character.
 
Chariot190 said:
You ALL need to chill the **** out with this. We are explicitly not allowed to do this shit.
The most we're allowed is a SINGLE one shot in scaling, any further one shots beyond that don't effect tiering but instead just get an "at least" or "higher", if you want to do this offsite, that is fine, Star Platinum can be 8-B in your hearts, but we have standards we gotta follow.
But as said, that said one shot must be, usually, within 20-25% of the next tier in order to elevate to the next tier. Star Platinum's shit misses that mark.

As it stands, Star Platinum doesn't qualify, he could have literally a billion one shots under his belt, only the first is going to count (Actually if it was a billion we'd probably just slap an unknown on him, but you get what I'm saying, we'd sooner do "Unknown" then upscale a huge amount).

Also that scaling chain is sus as **** and has way to much guesswork, we don't do that, we only include what we know for sure, no presumptions, no "well probably this", we need explicit statements or demonstrable proof.

If you people want this, make a CRT for it, and not a CRT about JoJo, I'm talking a complete wiki wide CRT, don't even mention JoJo in it, that just paints a biased view of you and kinda makes it obvious you're only doing this for big numbers on a verse you like.
This is a general rule we have to avoid slippery slopes or over inflation, you know how many shounens would get multiple huge jumps if we just went "every one shot is 1.1x lol", we'd have dude's jumping hundreds of times if not more based on just one shot chains when their best feat is like ten magnitudes lower (Because don't forget, if you really do a 1.1x per one shot, it's not actually 1.1x, it's 1.1x above every previous 1x1, it's technically exponential).
You're all way to thirsty, BAKEN is being the voice of reason here, Baken. The residential Star Platinum simp and 8-B supporter.
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"Also that scaling chain is sus as **** and has way to much guesswork," i can see the part 6 jotaro being sus, but i was thinking of the fact that, rhcp's stand user still e x i s t s, and SP still being called the strongest and shit... so like 🤷‍♂️ (he's also ftl on part 6 so there's that?)
tho, i never said anything much, other than putting his scaling chain (for jotaro). simple scaling one on another stuff, thats it. and then i mentioned guidebook stuff... and thats it I think. was there something I said wrong in the scaling chain? (i wasnt gunning for 8-B shit)
 
You took way to many generous assumptions, also some of it was just wrong (like the guide thing).
Part 6 has nothing, not important but you said as much.

Base Part 3 TW < Base Part 3 SP prime (not rage, only development, like, after learning time stop)
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This isn't even real, what actually exists saying that a post DIO's world Star Platinum is above Base DIO's TW? Nothing. We know Post DIO's World SP is > Base SP before that, but The World? There's literally nothing to assume that, you could guess, but as said, we can't use guesswork, we have to go with what we know. We don't actually have any statement between the two or any solid demonstrations of superiority, not even taking into account how Prime Plat > Base Part 3 Plat is good enough as Base TW > Base Part 3 Plat too.

<<< angry sp (can one shot base part 3 TW, not dust, but donut TW no diff)
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This is also a bit weird, why would you say "no diff", he clearly put effort into that strike, it may as well be considered a bloodlusted strike if anything. It doesn't even make sense narratively either, why would Jotaro NOT put in effort against Dio? If Jotaro actually tried to donut him, we can't really say he could do it casually or without any difficulty as the time he did he was obviously not pulling any punches.

<<< angry sp (can one shot base part 3 TW, not dust, but donut TW no diff) << high the world
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We actually don't know how Base HTW stacks up against Pissed Plat 1, they never actually interact. High TW loses out to Pissed Plat 2, but MPHTW overcomes Pissed Plat 2, we never get a HTW vs Pissed Plat 1 (the donut plat). And we don't actually get any line saying HTW is above that Plat. It's honestly the only hard placement or part of the chain because **** if we know, there's not even much to use to approximate. We know HTW in general is >>> Pissed Plat 1 but HTW without going all out is above BTW but exact details is hard to say, we could probably deduce that he's above Pissed Plat 1 via trading some blows with Pissed Plat 2 before he had his hand smashed, but that begs the question, how much stronger is Pissed Plat 2 over Pissed Plat 1? We know he's stronger but how much? It's just complicated.

angrier sp > Maximum power + still growing High TW (its said he gets stronger in combat or something, guidebook shtick.)
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Max Power TW should probably be above Pissed Plat 2, Jotaro wasn't ******* around, wasn't off guard, was taking the fight seriously, straight up was fighting to kill, and knew DIO was the most dangerous thing he's ever fought and he's only gotten worse, and then DIO is like lol max power and then launches him like 2km, DIO seems to think max power is gonna be enough to do him in and it literally floored Jotaro.
Also guidebook doesn't say that, what it says is that when DIO draw Joseph's blood, The World's fighting capabilities likely increased as well alongside Dio. Which is actually why we have HTW > BTW in the first place, that statement makes it blatant his power increased when DIO's did, while in the manga no such statement exists, and we'd just have to kinda guess if HTW got stronger which isn't good, it's better to know for sure then to just guess, the less guesswork the better.

< Much more Angrier SP <= Desperate + angry DIO (making his stand kinda stronger. I mean, emotions do be buffing ya, like anger primarily)
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I mean, yeah true but that's leaning a bit to deep into speculation, how much? Is it a lot? Negligible? We don't know so it's just unquantifiable at best.

<<<<<< Maximum rage Amped Jotaro + one final attack (putting his all into it) resulting in dio getting dusted. < No wounds, peak state + maximum rage amped SP (I mean, wounds do make ya weak, jotaro was quite wounded there, so imagine a jotaro in his peak state whilst rage amped < Fully grown SP (has learned time stop, is after the end of dio, 18 years old Jotaro) maximum rage amped jotaro.
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Same as above, though Jotaro is a weird case, Jotaro has enough big dick energy to where a lot of hefty wounds wouldn't actually effect his prowess or Stand's output, simply because he's cool like that and has tremendous will, we see it in many fights where getting injuries that would cripple a man doesn't even **** with Star Platinum, or even himself (such as when Strength probably cut his shoulder to the bone, when Justice stabbed a hole clean through his leg, etc).
And the last one is speculation as well, 18yo is his prime, but that doesn't inherently mean Fully Grown Plat's base default strength is > maximum power pissed dio's world plat.
It could very well just mean that 18yo Plat > previous base Plat, which would mean that 18yo Pissed Plat > previous pissed Plat, but it doesn't mean 18yo base > previous pissed plat.


Without going into speculation, for wiki purposes, it'd be something like this, also we can't really bring up 18yo Plat because we know nothing beyond it's his prime, so it's his best but is that in general, in base, at best, etc. See that argument with lazy from like last month.

Peak Rage Star Platinum>(annihilated)>Maximum Power The World>(Kicked through a serious, pissed off, defensive Plat's guard while in a death match, smashed Jotaro's teeth in and launched him across a city through a building. Also DIO seemed confident in it and in conjunction with it, claims it overcame Star Platinum Pissed V2)>Pissed Plat 2>(Clashed with, and broke TW's hand while he himself was fine)>High The World>(Stated to have his fighting capabilities likely increased alongside DIO)>= (Because lol **** if we know)=>Pissed Plat 1>(Punched a hole clean through)>Base TW but like actually trying>(DIO explicitly states he was ******* around and wasn't being serious. Also flat out stated to be above Star Platinum multiple times in this instance)>Base The World>(Was bullying Plat)>Base Star Platinum Part 3 (Maybe a little mad)>=Part 4 Star Platinum>RHCP (7.8 Tons).

Alternatively.

Peak Rage Star Platinum>(annihilated)>Maximum Power The World>(Kicked through a serious, pissed off, defensive Plat's guard)>Pissed Plat 2>(Clashed with, and broke his hand)>High The World>(Stated to have his fighting capabilities likely increased alongside DIO)>=Pissed Plat 1>(Punched a hole clean through)>Base TW>(DIO explicitly states he was ******* around and wasn't being serious)>Base The World>(Stated to be stronger than, as well as demonstrably superior to. Much stronger than Anubis)>Base Star Platinum Part 3 (Maybe a little mad)>End of Part Base Star Platinum=>Chariot Anubis>Late Part 3 Star Platinum>Pol Anubis>Chaka Khan>Mid Part 3 Star Platinum>Early Part 3 Star Platinum>>DBM (like 6 tons or something idk I forget).
 
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Chariot190 said:
You took way to many generous assumptions, also some of it was just wrong (like the guide thing).
Part 6 has nothing, not important but you said as much.



This isn't even real, what actually exists saying that a post DIO's world Star Platinum is above Base DIO's TW? Nothing. We know Post DIO's World SP is > Base SP before that, but The World? There's literally nothing to assume that, you could guess, but as said, we can't use guesswork, we have to go with what we know. We don't actually have any statement between the two or any solid demonstrations of superiority, not even taking into account how Prime Plat > Base Part 3 Plat is good enough as Base TW > Base Part 3 Plat too.



This is also a bit weird, why would you say "no diff", he clearly put effort into that strike, it may as well be considered a bloodlusted strike if anything. It doesn't even make sense narratively either, why would Jotaro NOT put in effort against Dio? If Jotaro actually tried to donut him, we can't really say he could do it casually or without any difficulty as the time he did he was obviously not pulling any punches.



We actually don't know how Base HTW stacks up against Pissed Plat 1, they never actually interact. High TW loses out to Pissed Plat 2, but MPHTW overcomes Pissed Plat 2, we never get a HTW vs Pissed Plat 1 (the donut plat). And we don't actually get any line saying HTW is above that Plat. It's honestly the only hard placement or part of the chain because **** if we know, there's not even much to use to approximate. We know HTW in general is >>> Pissed Plat 1 but HTW without going all out is above BTW but exact details is hard to say, we could probably deduce that he's above Pissed Plat 1 via trading some blows with Pissed Plat 2 before he had his hand smashed, but that begs the question, how much stronger is Pissed Plat 2 over Pissed Plat 1? We know he's stronger but how much? It's just complicated.



Max Power TW should probably be above Pissed Plat 2, Jotaro wasn't ******* around, wasn't off guard, was taking the fight seriously, straight up was fighting to kill, and knew DIO was the most dangerous thing he's ever fought and he's only gotten worse, and then DIO is like lol max power and then launches him like 2km, DIO seems to think max power is gonna be enough to do him in and it literally floored Jotaro.
Also guidebook doesn't say that, what it says is that when DIO draw Joseph's blood, The World's fighting capabilities likely increased as well alongside Dio. Which is actually why we have HTW > BTW in the first place, that statement makes it blatant his power increased when DIO's did, while in the manga no such statement exists, and we'd just have to kinda guess if HTW got stronger which isn't good, it's better to know for sure then to just guess, the less guesswork the better.



I mean, yeah true but that's leaning a bit to deep into speculation, how much? Is it a lot? Negligible? We don't know so it's just unquantifiable at best.



Same as above, though Jotaro is a weird case, Jotaro has enough big dick energy to where a lot of hefty wounds wouldn't actually effect his prowess or Stand's output, simply because he's cool like that and has tremendous will, we see it in many fights where getting injuries that would cripple a man doesn't even **** with Star Platinum, or even himself (such as when Strength probably cut his shoulder to the bone, when Justice stabbed a hole clean through his leg, etc).
And the last one is speculation as well, 18yo is his prime, but that doesn't inherently mean Fully Grown Plat's base default strength is > maximum power pissed dio's world plat.
It could very well just mean that 18yo Plat > previous base Plat, which would mean that 18yo Pissed Plat > previous pissed Plat, but it doesn't mean 18yo base > previous pissed plat.


Without going into speculation, for wiki purposes, it'd be something like this, also we can't really bring up 18yo Plat because we know nothing beyond it's his prime, so it's his best but is that in general, in base, at best, etc. See that argument with lazy from like last month.

Peak Rage Star Platinum>(annihilated)>Maximum Power The World>(Kicked through a serious, pissed off, defensive Plat's guard while in a death match, smashed Jotaro's face teeth in and launched him across a city through a building. Also DIO seemed confident in it and in conjunction with it, claims it overcame Star Platinum Pissed V2)>Pissed Plat 2>(Clashed with, and broke TW's hand while he himself was fine)>High The World>(Stated to have his fighting capabilities likely increased alongside DIO)>= (Because lol **** if we know)=>Pissed Plat 1>(Punched a hole clean through)>Base TW but like actually trying>(DIO explicitly states he was ******* around and wasn't being serious. Also flat out stated to be above Star Platinum multiple times in this instance)>Base The World>(Was bullying Plat)>Base Star Platinum Part 3 (Maybe a little mad)>=Part 4 Star Platinum>RHCP (7.8 Tons).

Alternatively.

Peak Rage Star Platinum>(annihilated)>Maximum Power The World>(Kicked through a serious, pissed off, defensive Plat's guard)>Pissed Plat 2>(Clashed with, and broke his hand)>High The World>(Stated to have his fighting capabilities likely increased alongside DIO)>=Pissed Plat 1>(Punched a hole clean through)>Base TW>(DIO explicitly states he was ******* around and wasn't being serious)>Base The World>(Stated to be stronger than, as well as demonstrably superior to. Much stronger than Anubis)>Base Star Platinum Part 3 (Maybe a little mad)>End of Part Base Star Platinum=>Chariot Anubis>Late Part 3 Star Platinum>Pol Anubis>Chaka Khan>Mid Part 3 Star Platinum>Early Part 3 Star Platinum>>DBM (like 6 tons or something idk I forget).
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1. I didnt remember the guidebook thing well, so thanks for correcting me there.
2. Idk about that, doesnt Araki from time to time again wack SP constantly, give him the first class statement, constantly refer him to as the strongest, etc, and so on? I mean, they both might be equal in their full development, but araki never wacked off DIO (TW) as much as he did to Jotaro (SP), so thats why I assume he might be > base tw.
3. By no diff, I meant that his punch, not that he wasnt trying his best there, basically made TW's body like a knife slicing through butter. Jotaro trying isnt casual, the way the punch went through is. My bad for the poor choice of wording.
4. Hmm fair, but would it be safe to assume that Non-maximum Base HTW is possibly equal to Angry Plat 1? Doesnt Jotaro get exponentially stronger too with rage btw (or what did the guidebooks say about his rage again? How does it like work, when he has like ""different versions"" of rage amp. (Angry Plat 1, Angry Plat 2, Maximum Angry Plat.)? "while in manga no statement like that exists" We could still use DIO having his time stop increased due to blood alongside guidebooks, no? It seems like that one is one of the implied-statements. Given like, it increased his time stop duration.

"and we'd just have to kinda guess if HTW got stronger which isn't good." We also have the feats, which dont need to have us guess when we have DIO say he got stronger than his part 1 peak, his time stop duration increased, and such, so I dont think it'd be that bad if there were no guidebooks for it in the first place. or thats what i think, so 🤷‍♂️

5. "I mean, yeah true but that's leaning a bit to deep into speculation, how much? Is it a lot? Negligible? We don't know so it's just unquantifiable at best." Would DIO daring to still attack Jotaro after throwing blood, despite being aware of the fact that SP gets stronger through rage amps, still mean that he was confident here that he could try and attack SP head-on? (Meaning he might be equal to more angrier SP like I said) or is it wrong?

6. i didnt say 18 yo jotaro was > pissed sp, but 18 yo pissed off jotaro was > previoud pissed off jotaro tho. which in the one I said, it was maximum rage amped 18 yo jotaro > previous maximum rage amped jotaro

i wish araki gave more context on 18 yo jotaro tbh. imagine

imagine if he was > HTW... 😪
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
2. Idk about that, doesnt Araki from time to time again wack SP constantly, give him the first class statement, constantly refer him to as the strongest, etc, and so on? I mean, they both might be equal in their full development, but araki never wacked off DIO (TW) as much as he did to Jotaro (SP), so thats why I assume he might be > base tw.
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And? In the same guide he calls Star Platinum the strongest, he calls TW the strongest, they both have a **** ton of strongest statements, the only differing part is the exact specifics of when or how it's being said. It's ******* annoying but they both have strongest statements, and they're technically not wrong either, you just have to know what the **** he's talking about when he says that and which iteration he's talking about, which is possible to figure out, but it's a nuisance all the same.
The only reason why TW doesn't have as many statements as Plat is because he shows up way less though, he technically has more statements than Plat if you compare how much appearances they have with how many statements they have. Has more statements per screentime/appearance/etc.
Regardless no, it doesn't exist, and that's the issue they "might" be equal, or they might not, could be stronger but as said, "could" be is a bad word here, we need to index what we know or what's super safe.
We can't use things like that here (Also the very same guide that says Plat is first class says TW is equal to him so either way), we have to know or be like 90% sure.
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
tw.
3. By no diff, I meant that his punch, not that he wasnt trying his best there, basically made TW's body like a knife slicing through butter. Jotaro trying isnt casual, the way the punch went through is. My bad for the poor choice of wording.
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Fair enough.
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
4. Hmm fair, but would it be safe to assume that Non-maximum Base HTW is possibly equal to Angry Plat 1? Doesnt Jotaro get exponentially stronger too with rage btw (or what did the guidebooks say about his rage again? How does it like work, when he has like ""different versions"" of rage amp. (Angry Plat 1, Angry Plat 2, Maximum Angry Plat.)? "while in manga no statement like that exists" We could still use DIO having his time stop increased due to blood alongside guidebooks, no? It seems like that one is one of the implied-statements. Given like, it increased his time stop duration.
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He could be weaker, equal or stronger, he's definitely stronger than BTW, but is he above Plat 1? **** if we know, there's zero interactions or ways to figure out the comparability.
The more pissed he gets, the stronger he gets, it's exponential as well. It's stated when he gets angry his power explodes, and upon getting angry his power increased exponentially, and as we see in the manga itself from Jotaro, the more pissed he gets, the better he does, as he more or less says himself when he goes on about how he isn't mad enough yet.
HTW is > BTW, that's pretty obvious, the guide statement just kind of says the better fused he gets with his body and when he became high, it's very likely TW's capabilities increased alongside it (And it's explicitly talking about power and speed, physical specs, not time stop, with that line).
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We also have the feats, which dont need to have us guess when we have DIO say he got stronger than his part 1 peak, his time stop duration increased, and such, so I dont think it'd be that bad if there were no guidebooks for it in the first place. or thats what i think, so
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DIO says he got stronger in the manga, but we're talking about TW. You lifting weights and getting stronger doesn't mean your Stand is gonna get buff too. DIO himself bonding with his body, getting stronger himself, etc, doesn't inherently have any reason to effect his Stand, in fact, it's a bit odd it DOES effect his Stand when you think about it, why would he getting stronger effect his spiritual imaginary friend? The only feat he has getting his hand smashed in a clash and then turning around and knocking Plat like 5km, without the guides explaining what was happening with TW and Plat, that whole scene and fight and back and forth of one shots actually comes off as just inconsistent as **** (And that's what most people thought of it for years, it's easy to look back in hindsight and go "oh yeah ok that makes sense" now that we know the details, but without it, that shit just comes off as vague and confusing and even like Araki doesn't know what the **** he's doing).

Would DIO daring to still attack Jotaro after throwing blood, despite being aware of the fact that SP gets stronger through rage amps, still mean that he was confident here that he could try and attack SP head-on? (Meaning he might be equal to more angrier SP like I said) or is it wrong?
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In that instance I'm pretty sure Dio wasn't expecting Jotaro to counter back, that's why he sprayed blood in his face in the first place as a distraction/to blind him, so he could kick Jotaro's head off while he was caught off guard or reeling from being blinded in that split moment. Thinking on it, what the actual **** was he thinking? Why would blood stop Jotaro? He already knows that Plat and Jotaro have shared vision so blinding Jotaro wouldn't do shit (unless like, DIO never tested that out with his own Stand? so he didn't know? but dio was going out of his ways to test his stand, surely he'd know a basic feature like that, especially with enya guiding him) and it's not like Jotaro is dumb, he knows where Dio is, even if he's blind he could still make an attempt to counter. And even then, yeah he has blood in his eyes, but it's not like he couldn't just suck it up and open his eyes anyway to see, given he LITERALLY does this after the crosscounter and is squinting through the blood to see the aftermath.
Honestly, I just think Araki didn't think this through or we're not supposed to think about it because when you actually sit down and pick it apart, that whole interaction makes zero ******* sense with the characters involved. What Dio should have done is spray blood, stop time, and because Jotaro can move for a few seconds, use that instant of distraction and time stop to GET AWAY from Jotaro instead of kicking, and then just play keep away till the 5 seconds up, and then he has a solid 6-7 seconds himself to walk up and finish him off. he should have played it safe like he was doing early on.
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
i didnt say 18 yo jotaro was > pissed sp, but 18 yo pissed off jotaro was > previoud pissed off jotaro tho. which in the one I said, it was maximum rage amped 18 yo jotaro > previous maximum rage amped jotaro
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That last one didn't specify pissed Plat, you just said 18yo time stop Jotaro but ok.
 
Chariot190 said:
What Dio should have done is spray blood, stop time, and because Jotaro can move for a few seconds, use that instant of distraction and time stop to GET AWAY from Jotaro instead of kicking, and then just play keep away till the 5 seconds up, and then he has a solid 6-7 seconds himself to walk up and finish him off. he should have played it safe like he was doing early on.
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this what joestar blood does to a mfer
 
Chariot190 said:
You're all way to thirsty, BAKEN is being the voice of reason here, Baken. The residential Star Platinum simp and 8-B supporter.
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I, Baken of The 384 Family, The 8-B Star Platinum Fanboy shall declare all units to stand down with their upscaling begging for 8-B Jotaro and move away from this topic as I am the voice of reason here and I don't want to be that voice of reason anymore LMAO 😔 😔 😔

It might be hard but we have to follow the rules bound to us here in this site even if you feel like he should be in that rating thanks to the scaling chain.
The rule are rules. You can think of 8-B Star Platinum off site like character stats or in your brain like I do if you like but not here in this site, plus we should be quite grateful he is in High 8-C+ Territory and even has two higher ratings when he was just 8-C+ Fodder and lacks statistic amplifications in the past. ☝️

As what Chariot said time and time again, if we want a solid 8-B Rating, we must wait and look out for a potential 8-B feat in the series, try to work it out to be consistent and also Star Platinum should reasonably scale to the feat for it to work. orsomeonerecalculateafeatandhopeitslike10tonsforupscaleeheheheh

This order has been signed by Patriarch Baken of the FunkyPazta, a Subsidiary of The 384 Family and will be signing out. 💯
 
Oh, I wasn't really part of the 8-B star platinum crusade
I just want Kira 8 to get his 8-B rating
 
I completely agree that there is absolutely no way to get platinum to be listed 8-B by current standards
I’m just saying that we know that he’s definitely capable of doing 8-B things, if we were to go inside the jojo universe and ask him to punch something really really hard
unfortunately the plot isn’t ever gonna really like, demand an 8-B feat, so even if he is able to do one, given the nature of the fights there’s not gonna really be a need for mass destruction or anything
usually though we just toss him in 8-B matchup threads and do a little pretending
 
Also technically can't kira just get high 8-B via multiple sheer heart attacks?
That way he could kinda sorta smurf his way into 8-B
 
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