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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Discussion Thread IV: Diamond is Unbreakable

Stands can physically block things so aoe doesn’t matter
Pretty sure that’s why sheer heart attack didn’t kill Jotaro
 
ZillertheBucko said:
Stands can physically block things so aoe doesn’t matter
Pretty sure that’s why sheer heart attack didn’t kill Jotaro
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SHA also blew up directly in front of him though, the stand isn't large enough to cover behind him if its a big enough aoe
 
CBslayeR said:
SHA also blew up directly in front of him though, the stand isn't large enough to cover behind him if its a big enough aoe
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well technically speaking star platinum is larger than Jotaro
if positioned correctly there's no way it'd be able to it him (without going through star platinum first)
for it to hit behind him the explosion would have had to go past him and then circle around? that's not really how it works
 
New All Star Battle R trailer dropped. New characters confirmed are Speedwagon, Mariah, Pet Shop and Diego Brando. There had been leaks of Trish and Prosciutto so that's 6 out of 10 new characters.

I'm guessing the remaining 4 are Stroheim, Joshu, Tooru and Weather Report.
 
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TacticalNuke002 said:

This isn't real, my dude.
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In that case, yeah no, we're not getting him. I highly doubt it, basically everything shown thus far has been ported over from EOH from models to even some animations that or it uses pre-existing models (Such as Prosciutto). If no WOU or Tooru model exists, then we ain't getting him based on all other precedence. Which also means probably no FF.
 
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ZillertheBucko said:
wait what
8-B calc
8-B sheer heart attack..... 8-B jojo
8-B
REAL???
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Yes the 22 Ton end was Accepted and 2 SHA were shown to have done the Feat
But Chariot had it at 2-3
2 SHA - 11 Tons - 8-B
3 SHA - 7 Tons - High 8-C+
Seems the 3 end was what got into the profiles, despite 2 being the more occuring number
 
the explanation for why it is 3 seems a bit bs, since the most seen on screen is two
yeah, there could have been a third one but why wouldn't it have been travelling with the other two, and why are we automatically accepting the thing with no evidence to support it
even if it is right though, shouldn't GER and Star Platinum and stuff still scale above the entire arsenal of sheer heart attacks anyways? Since they aren't exactly individual stands and GER should be stronger than three that were able to do 8-B damage
very odd choice, but I haven't read part 8 so I can't be sure
 
ZillertheBucko said:
, shouldn't GER and Star Platinum and stuff still scale above the entire arsenal of sheer heart attacks anyways? Since they aren't exactly individual stands and GER should be stronger than three that were able to do 8-B damage
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If we use the 2 SHA part then 1 would be 8-B
 
question shouldn't jonathan's luck and pluck actually be optional equipment?

Optional Equipment, which can encompass anything that the character has owned or made use of for an extended period of time, regardless of whether or not it's usually on their person.


i mean most of phantom blood has jonathan not have anything on him.

he only got luck and pluck later on. and he didn't use it until dio came along and it only lasted for a while before it got destroyed.
 
question shouldn't jonathan's luck and pluck actually be optional equipment?
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Actually, it's a case of he has it or he doesn't, no-inbetween.

Pre-Deep Pass, he probably shouldn't have it, had for literally minutes and never used it. Post Deep Pass it's standard though, he had it at all times in that key and used extensively.
 
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but...
Unless we can prove without a shadow of a doubt that one of the SHA just happened to move positions between panel 3 and 4 despite having been stationary in the first two panels, and not even really needing to move, we kind of have to assume it was 3. We see two SHA, and then a SHA in a completely different position in the following panel on the same page, doesn't quite seem like an Araki **** up. Don't think I didn't think about the possibility, I even discussed it with multiple staff leading up to the CRT.
We see two in her hair, and then another on her shoulder before exploding, we'd need to prove the shoulder one was one of the hair ones, which isn't exactly feasible.
Remember, we aren't here for big numbers, we're here to give solid ratings, it's better to be conservative over assuming higher ends that we can't actually prove.
ZillertheBucko said:
even if it is right though, shouldn't GER and Star Platinum and stuff still scale above the entire arsenal of sheer heart attacks anyways? Since they aren't exactly individual stands and GER should be stronger than three that were able to do 8-B damage
very odd choice, but I haven't read part 8 so I can't be sure
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What? A SHA put Star Platinum on its ass, he doesn't really upscale unless Part 3 Peak giga pissed, otherwise he's just same ballpark. And that was one SHA, not multiple.

Also not how it works with GER either, he'd upscale massively above one, but multiple? Not quite how it works. The exceed all stand attack statement would only cover one SHA.
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killer queen being able to do something 8-B means that GER would also be 8-B since it has the most offensive power in the verse
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We don't scale SHA to Part 4 SHA, it just happened that they're consistently about the same (which tbh should be incentive to scale them given the difference between them is miniscule but it was rejected), that GER offensive statement only covers Part 3-4-5 (and by proxy, 6 because Star Platinum >>> Part 6).
Part 7 is more or less the same, GER>Pissed Plat>HTW>BTW<Act 4 but less straightforward. Part 8 is the only Part we can't apply the statement to (not that it matters, he obviously exceeds the whole of the part by simply upscaling off Plat), but the caveat is we can't scale him to multiple SHA, in that vain why stop at 3? Kira can spawn 7-8 SHA as shown against Vitamin C, what's stopping Kira from detonating 7+ SHA at once and doing a 8-B+ feat? Or even a 8-A feat? Slippery slope my dude.

Regardless, he only scales to one SHA at best, think of it this way, HG launches like a hundred emeralds, each emerald is 8-C or so, but he can do a hundred at once, would we say that GER scales to 8-A because HG launches a hundred emeralds? Same thing here.

tldr we gotta stick with 3 SHA because either there was 3, or Araki is actually dumb as shit and just randomly drew one of them in a completely different position on a different part of her body while previously, on the same page, drawing them in one specific place, without indicating one moved at all.
GER only scales to one because that line only actually covers Part 3-6, and 7 if we're generous, plus slippery slope.

But if you dude's want 8-B god tiers, I HAVE been looking at specific feat and statement that might but 3 dudes at baseline 8-B, but this ain't it chief.
 
Chariot190 said:
But if you dude's want 8-B god tiers, I HAVE been looking at specific feat and statement that might
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You better tell me now.
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Chariot190 said:
What? A SHA put Star Platinum on its ass, he doesn't really upscale unless Part 3 Peak giga pissed, otherwise he's just same ballpark. And that was one SHA, not multiple.

Also not how it works with GER either, he'd upscale massively above one, but multiple? Not quite how it works. The exceed all stand attack statement would only cover one SHA.


We don't scale SHA to Part 4 SHA, it just happened that they're consistently about the same (which tbh should be incentive to scale them given the difference between them is miniscule but it was rejected), that GER offensive statement only covers Part 3-4-5 (and by proxy, 6 because Star Platinum >>> Part 6).
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the "exceeding all stand attack power" kinda doesnt cover anybody in P6 tho. (Except, only one chapter or two, I'll check again later) the time of the day it was released and posted is kinda weird. Idk.

no. SP P3 > P4 🗿also wdym it put SP on its ass? Bro got caught off guard. Ngl, that reminds me of the time Josuke broke his guard and bro was like "That power!" in a state of surprise, similar to the SHA guard break. 🧐 (not that they are in similar power, but its kinda similar in how they both react as if caught off guard)

(sp got no wounds from the explosion didnt he? Only got like a guard break from what I remember)
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
the "exceeding all stand attack power" kinda doesnt cover anybody in P6 tho.
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What Chariot meant is, his exceeding all stand attack power applies for Parts 3, 4 and 5 but also applies to Part 6 because Star Platinum is there and GER>>>Star Platinum and Star Platinum is treated as a God in Part 6
 
Chariot190 said:
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but...
Unless we can prove without a shadow of a doubt that one of the SHA just happened to move positions between panel 3 and 4 despite having been stationary in the first two panels, and not even really needing to move, we kind of have to assume it was 3. We see two SHA, and then a SHA in a completely different position in the following panel on the same page, doesn't quite seem like an Araki **** up. Don't think I didn't think about the possibility, I even discussed it with multiple staff leading up to the CRT.
We see two in her hair, and then another on her shoulder before exploding, we'd need to prove the shoulder one was one of the hair ones, which isn't exactly feasible.
Remember, we aren't here for big numbers, we're here to give solid ratings, it's better to be conservative over assuming higher ends that we can't actually prove.

What? A SHA put Star Platinum on its ass, he doesn't really upscale unless Part 3 Peak giga pissed, otherwise he's just same ballpark. And that was one SHA, not multiple.

Also not how it works with GER either, he'd upscale massively above one, but multiple? Not quite how it works. The exceed all stand attack statement would only cover one SHA.
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We don't scale SHA to Part 4 SHA, it just happened that they're consistently about the same (which tbh should be incentive to scale them given the difference between them is miniscule but it was rejected), that GER offensive statement only covers Part 3-4-5 (and by proxy, 6 because Star Platinum >>> Part 6).
Part 7 is more or less the same, GER>Pissed Plat>HTW>BTW<Act 4 but less straightforward. Part 8 is the only Part we can't apply the statement to (not that it matters, he obviously exceeds the whole of the part by simply upscaling off Plat), but the caveat is we can't scale him to multiple SHA, in that vain why stop at 3? Kira can spawn 7-8 SHA as shown against Vitamin C, what's stopping Kira from detonating 7+ SHA at once and doing a 8-B+ feat? Or even a 8-A feat? Slippery slope my dude.

Regardless, he only scales to one SHA at best, think of it this way, HG launches like a hundred emeralds, each emerald is 8-C or so, but he can do a hundred at once, would we say that GER scales to 8-A because HG launches a hundred emeralds? Same thing here.

tldr we gotta stick with 3 SHA because either there was 3, or Araki is actually dumb as shit and just randomly drew one of them in a completely different position on a different part of her body while previously, on the same page, drawing them in one specific place, without indicating one moved at all.
GER only scales to one because that line only actually covers Part 3-6, and 7 if we're generous, plus slippery slope.

But if you dude's want 8-B god tiers, I HAVE been looking at specific feat and statement that might but 3 dudes at baseline 8-B, but this ain't it chief.
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I'm still skeptical cause the SHA in the 7th panel was still in the same position as the 1st SHA in the 1st panel, just that its orientation is flipped
They're both in the same position, right behind on her hair around her shoulder blade region
 
I'm still salty for Denji's Chainsaw Devil form being 8-B via similar upscaling from 7tons, just like JoJo God tiers
 
Shey said:
I'm still salty for Denji's Chainsaw Devil form being 8-B via similar upscaling from 7tons, just like JoJo God tiers
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well they have a bullshit feat now apparently so, 8-B Chainsaw Man will be gone once their revisions swings by. But for now ill be sad too because of that
 
I'm kinda curious if 8-B Jojo happens... What will come out of it?

The intangability of stands that require layered NPI to sense and interact with and their very fast reaction time that isn't affected by speed equal makes it hard for me to see any matches happening with a lot of 8-Bs.

Do you all just want to see a few JJBA folks as 8-Bs or smth?
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
I'm kinda curious if 8-B Jojo happens... What will come out of it?
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Probably not unless there is a hidden 8-B feat within Parts 1, 3-6 (lookin at chu dark blue moon feat)
FantaRin_The_First said:
The intangability of stands that require layered NPI to sense and interact with and their very fast reaction time that isn't affected by speed equal makes it hard for me to see any matches happening with a lot of 8-Bs.
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Depends ig
FantaRin_The_First said:
Do you all just want to see a few JJBA folks as 8-Bs or smth?
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The only I want to see as 8-B is God Tier Stands such as Star Platinum, The World, GER, etc
 
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