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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Discussion Thread IV: Diamond is Unbreakable

Chariot190 said:
And? In the same guide he calls Star Platinum the strongest, he calls TW the strongest, they both have a **** ton of strongest statements, the only differing part is the exact specifics of when or how it's being said. It's ******* annoying but they both have strongest statements, and they're technically not wrong either, you just have to know what the **** he's talking about when he says that and which iteration he's talking about, which is possible to figure out, but it's a nuisance all the same.
The only reason why TW doesn't have as many statements as Plat is because he shows up way less though, he technically has more statements than Plat if you compare how much appearances they have with how many statements they have. Has more statements per screentime/appearance/etc.
Regardless no, it doesn't exist, and that's the issue they "might" be equal, or they might not, could be stronger but as said, "could" be is a bad word here, we need to index what we know or what's super safe.
We can't use things like that here (Also the very same guide that says Plat is first class says TW is equal to him so either way), we have to know or be like 90% sure.

Fair enough.

He could be weaker, equal or stronger, he's definitely stronger than BTW, but is he above Plat 1? **** if we know, there's zero interactions or ways to figure out the comparability.
The more pissed he gets, the stronger he gets, it's exponential as well. It's stated when he gets angry his power explodes, and upon getting angry his power increased exponentially, and as we see in the manga itself from Jotaro, the more pissed he gets, the better he does, as he more or less says himself when he goes on about how he isn't mad enough yet.
HTW is > BTW, that's pretty obvious, the guide statement just kind of says the better fused he gets with his body and when he became high, it's very likely TW's capabilities increased alongside it (And it's explicitly talking about power and speed, physical specs, not time stop, with that line).

DIO says he got stronger in the manga, but we're talking about TW. You lifting weights and getting stronger doesn't mean your Stand is gonna get buff too. DIO himself bonding with his body, getting stronger himself, etc, doesn't inherently have any reason to effect his Stand, in fact, it's a bit odd it DOES effect his Stand when you think about it, why would he getting stronger effect his spiritual imaginary friend? The only feat he has getting his hand smashed in a clash and then turning around and knocking Plat like 5km, without the guides explaining what was happening with TW and Plat, that whole scene and fight and back and forth of one shots actually comes off as just inconsistent as **** (And that's what most people thought of it for years, it's easy to look back in hindsight and go "oh yeah ok that makes sense" now that we know the details, but without it, that shit just comes off as vague and confusing and even like Araki doesn't know what the **** he's doing).



In that instance I'm pretty sure Dio wasn't expecting Jotaro to counter back, that's why he sprayed blood in his face in the first place as a distraction/to blind him, so he could kick Jotaro's head off while he was caught off guard or reeling from being blinded in that split moment. Thinking on it, what the actual **** was he thinking? Why would blood stop Jotaro? He already knows that Plat and Jotaro have shared vision so blinding Jotaro wouldn't do shit (unless like, DIO never tested that out with his own Stand? so he didn't know? but dio was going out of his ways to test his stand, surely he'd know a basic feature like that, especially with enya guiding him) and it's not like Jotaro is dumb, he knows where Dio is, even if he's blind he could still make an attempt to counter. And even then, yeah he has blood in his eyes, but it's not like he couldn't just suck it up and open his eyes anyway to see, given he LITERALLY does this after the crosscounter and is squinting through the blood to see the aftermath.
Honestly, I just think Araki didn't think this through or we're not supposed to think about it because when you actually sit down and pick it apart, that whole interaction makes zero ******* sense with the characters involved. What Dio should have done is spray blood, stop time, and because Jotaro can move for a few seconds, use that instant of distraction and time stop to GET AWAY from Jotaro instead of kicking, and then just play keep away till the 5 seconds up, and then he has a solid 6-7 seconds himself to walk up and finish him off. he should have played it safe like he was doing early on.

That last one didn't specify pissed Plat, you just said 18yo time stop Jotaro but ok.
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"Fully grown SP (has learned time stop, is after the end of dio, 18 years old Jotaro) [[maximum rage amped jotaro."]]
i meant to say sp, but i tend to say jotaro whilst meaning SP when I said "maximum rage amped Jotaro"

anyways, I gotcha. thanks for the response.
 
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the live action Dora’s actually made me laugh as hard as ****
 
Chariot190 said:
DIO says he got stronger in the manga, but we're talking about TW. You lifting weights and getting stronger doesn't mean your Stand is gonna get buff too. DIO himself bonding with his body, getting stronger himself, etc, doesn't inherently have any reason to effect his Stand, in fact, it's a bit odd it DOES effect his Stand when you think about it, why would he getting stronger effect his spiritual imaginary friend? The only feat he has getting his hand smashed in a clash and then turning around and knocking Plat like 5km, without the guides explaining what was happening with TW and Plat, that whole scene and fight and back and forth of one shots actually comes off as just inconsistent as **** (And that's what most people thought of it for years, it's easy to look back in hindsight and go "oh yeah ok that makes sense" now that we know the details, but without it, that shit just comes off as vague and confusing and even like Araki doesn't know what the **** he's doing).
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I just thought about something
Didnt being apart of the joestar blood, when dio got his stand, affect others to awaken their own stands as well? Theres also with the whole crusader gang having like, more than a month or something, in order to save Holly via killing dio to stop her s u f f e r i n g.
theres also with the d'arby brothers having like the same stand too 🤔
just a food for thought of course. but what do you think?
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
I just thought about something
Didnt being apart of the joestar blood, when dio got his stand, affect others to awaken their own stands as well? Theres also with the whole crusader gang having like, more than a month or something, in order to save Holly via killing dio to stop her s u f f e r i n g.
theres also with the d'arby brothers having like the same stand too 🤔
just a food for thought of course. but what do you think?
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What are you trying to say
 
Also



Can anyone help me find out which anime the one referencing jojo in the thumbnail is?

And all the anime and manga in the video that are referencing jojo.

what are their names?
 
Emerald said:
Just a reminder that Bad Company harmed an Enraged Crazy Diamond
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That isn't true. He was never "enraged" in that fight (At least, not the type of enraged that actually gets accompanied by Josuke's stupid huge rage boost), especially not when he got hurt J̵o̵s̵u̵k̵e̵ ̵w̵a̵s̵ ̵a̵c̵t̵u̵a̵l̵l̵y̵ ̵s̵u̵r̵p̵r̵i̵s̵i̵n̵g̵ ̵c̵h̵i̵l̵l̵ ̵i̵n̵ ̵t̵h̵a̵t̵ ̵f̵i̵g̵h̵t̵ h̵e̵ ̵g̵o̵t̵ ̵a̵ ̵l̵i̵t̵t̵l̵e̵ ̵m̵a̵d̵ ̵a̵f̵t̵e̵r̵ ̵K̵o̵i̵c̵h̵i̵ ̵w̵a̵s̵ ̵h̵i̵t̵ ̵b̵u̵t̵ ̵h̵e̵ ̵w̵a̵s̵n̵'̵t̵ ̵"̵h̵a̵i̵r̵ ̵i̵n̵s̵u̵l̵t̵e̵d̵"̵ ̵m̵a̵d̵
He hurt a early serious base CD, which isn't as good as you might think. Even mid part CD could one shot that CD.
 
Emerald said:
Just a reminder that Bad Company harmed an Enraged Crazy Diamond
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Chariot190 said:
That isn't true. He was never "enraged" in that fight (At least, not the type of enraged that actually gets accompanied by Josuke's stupid huge rage boost), especially not when he got hurt J̵o̵s̵u̵k̵e̵ ̵w̵a̵s̵ ̵a̵c̵t̵u̵a̵l̵l̵y̵ ̵s̵u̵r̵p̵r̵i̵s̵i̵n̵g̵ ̵c̵h̵i̵l̵l̵ ̵i̵n̵ ̵t̵h̵a̵t̵ ̵f̵i̵g̵h̵t̵ h̵e̵ ̵g̵o̵t̵ ̵a̵ ̵l̵i̵t̵t̵l̵e̵ ̵m̵a̵d̵ ̵a̵f̵t̵e̵r̵ ̵K̵o̵i̵c̵h̵i̵ ̵w̵a̵s̵ ̵h̵i̵t̵ ̵b̵u̵t̵ ̵h̵e̵ ̵w̵a̵s̵n̵'̵t̵ ̵"̵h̵a̵i̵r̵ ̵i̵n̵s̵u̵l̵t̵e̵d̵"̵ ̵m̵a̵d̵
He hurt a early serious base CD, which isn't as good as you might think. Even mid part CD could one shot that CD.
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Yeah, the only times Crazy Diamond is really enraged are when his hair gets insulted and when he beat the living shit out of Kira while severely injured (kinda like what Jotaro did, know that I think about it)
 
Yeah, AFTER CD was injured and Josuke was crippled. Kind of doesn't count if you insult his hair, after you already made him take a knee.
 
Chariot190 said:
That isn't true. He was never "enraged" in that fight (At least, not the type of enraged that actually gets accompanied by Josuke's stupid huge rage boost), especially not when he got hurt J̵o̵s̵u̵k̵e̵ ̵w̵a̵s̵ ̵a̵c̵t̵u̵a̵l̵l̵y̵ ̵s̵u̵r̵p̵r̵i̵s̵i̵n̵g̵ ̵c̵h̵i̵l̵l̵ ̵i̵n̵ ̵t̵h̵a̵t̵ ̵f̵i̵g̵h̵t̵ h̵e̵ ̵g̵o̵t̵ ̵a̵ ̵l̵i̵t̵t̵l̵e̵ ̵m̵a̵d̵ ̵a̵f̵t̵e̵r̵ ̵K̵o̵i̵c̵h̵i̵ ̵w̵a̵s̵ ̵h̵i̵t̵ ̵b̵u̵t̵ ̵h̵e̵ ̵w̵a̵s̵n̵'̵t̵ ̵"̵h̵a̵i̵r̵ ̵i̵n̵s̵u̵l̵t̵e̵d̵"̵ ̵m̵a̵d̵
He hurt a early serious base CD, which isn't as good as you might think. Even mid part CD could one shot that CD.
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wait
early CD would get one shotted by Mid CD? H u h.
 
well
at its strongest, early crazy diamond was able to ""damage"" star platinum while he was intending to defend, even if he wasn't intending to beat the shit out of josuke
he never actually surpassed star platinum in any way even considering a fully enraged end of part josuke didn't blitz killer queen as hard as a Jotaro with a ton of holes literally through his body who had probably been tired from beating up sheer heart attack, who seriously couldn't even see a single thing star platinum did
so at the very least, I don't think it's really a one shot difference


unrelated note: why would crazy diamond's durability increase with enragement, I mean even comparing it to real life, while adrenaline and getting pissed as hell can make you throw a harder punch, really you're still made of the same stuff
I assume you (Chariot) have already thought about this so I'm mainly just asking about your thought process, not saying it needs to be changed or anything so...
 
ZillertheBucko said:
unrelated note: why would crazy diamond's durability increase with enragement, I mean even comparing it to real life, while adrenaline and getting pissed as hell can make you throw a harder punch, really you're still made of the same stuff
I assume you (Chariot) have already thought about this so I'm mainly just asking about your thought process, not saying it needs to be changed or anything so...
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Because that's how Stands work, rage amps just amp their fighting capabilities, power is the most dominant one, but it's actually case by case, with Pol it was speed, with Jolyne it was everything, Plat was everything too but mostly power. CD is mostly power but also durability because that's how newton's third law works.
Just see Stone Free going from getting torn through by Whitesnake in one punch to being able to fight evenly with him and overwhelming him (Guides even confirm that Whitesnake, normally is both faster and stronger, it's only when Stone Free got mad did she flip the battle due to rage amp).
Stands also follow newton's 3rd law, as we see with Star Platinum or even Moody Blues.
 
Baken384 said:
Yeah but, I’m saying what reason do we have to assume it actually increased dura instead of just saying it has high 8-C dura
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That's extremely obvious.
Because not pissed CD can get hurt by dudes like The Hand and at that time in specific, was even equal with him, but Pissed CD would blow The Hand's ******* head off in one punch (Based simply on how RHCP dismembered him with one finger, the same RHCP weaker than early pissed CD or how guides actually call The Hand kinda weak for a power type).
And other such examples.

Basically Base CD's power=durability based on a bunch of blatant instances. Stands follow third law, ergo if CD gets such a huge power boost he could one shot his base form a few times over, and his arm doesn't explode into bits, safe to say his durability gets amped as well (and we know his speed also gets amped, and we know rage amps can just straight up amp everything, safe to say that's exactly the case).
 
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Base GE? Could go either way. Ger? Lol no. Every time he even attempts to use GB, he'd just get RTZ, and even if he somehow gets it off, it has to actually h i t Gio, and Josuke explicitly can't hit a target with it beyond like 2 feet.

There is no ranking, besides GER. JoJo doesn't work like DBZ, everyone can beat anyone if they play their cards right, unless you mean just raw power.

In which case.

GER (Exceeds all existing Stand's in attack output)>Peak Plat>High The World>Probably King Crimson or some shit/Act 4 (Stronger than a base TW, but obviously pales to High The World or peak Plat)>Anubis (Weaker than Base The World, thus below Act 4, but strong than mid part 3 Plat). After that is probably pissed CD.
Or something like that, idk Act 4 and King Crimson aren't hard listings, they could be lower or a tad higher, we just don't have much comparisons, we just know they top tier.
 
Cat said:
I see, but what if go beyond bubble spin manage to be on range? I heard it's beyond logic and that is why it's immune to wou.
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Dont know what you said but you're right, it's stated to be beyond all the laws of the world, but that's because it's spin (as stated in the raw excerpt), spin in JoJo is just inherently broken as ****. JoJoveller says RTZ negs all current abilities though, and it covers Part 7 so in theory, RTZ should be able to RTZ spin, because the only reason why GB>Laws, is because spin is built diff, it's not inherently exclusive to GB.
But that's just presumptions, but in the end, it doesn't matter, because Josuke will never be able to use it, it doesn't matter how good GB is if Josuke will always get RTZ'd and thus never be able to use the move in the first place.
And even if he does somehow get it off, it ain't hitting anything unless Gio just stands there and doesn't move while within arm's reach.

Diavolo is a protagonist now?
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Thought you just meant Stands.

GER (Exceeds Pissed Plat)>>Pissed Plat (One shots 7.8)>>Act 4 maybe (Can do decent damage to a base TW)>=Pissed CD (Almost as strong as base Plat according to jojoveller)>Soft&Wet (Somehow has the best calc atm minus Plat tier ******* so he's actually up there)>Stone Free (Like 0.7 at best)>GE (Like close to baseline, downscaling off like 0.3)>Act 3 (9-A and below)>Act 2 (9-A; Stated to be many times more powerful than Act 1)>Act 1 (9-B+ to 9-A iirc, forget what the calc got but it was something like that).
Going by hype and whatever calcs they're scaling off.
 
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