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Jin Yong wuxia novel discussion thread (0.1)

Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Seven Freaks of Jiangnan are stronger than Guo Jing who just left Mongolia. Or are you referring to Guo Jing after learning the 18 Dragon Subduing Palms?
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Yeah Post 18 Dragon Subduing Palms Guo Jing would probably be High-End Mid Tier imo. Guo Jing who just left Mongolia would be High-End Low Tier.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
I don't remember really well, but did Yang Kang grow stronger after learning with Ouyang Feng for a while?
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Not too sure about that, all I knew was that he was able to kill off the Jiang Nan Seven freaks together alongside Ou Yang Feng, him being helpful in the slaughter would make him Mid-Tier lol.
 
Yeah I was asking because of that. Cuz Guo Jing who just left Mongolia gave Yang Kang quite a bit of trouble (although Yang is stronger), and Guo Jing is weaker at that time, at least weaker than his sixth master as noted by the Four Ghost of Yellow River.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Calculating that pot of wine thrown by the Freaks would be useful, IIRC it was a pot in a temple so it is pretty large.
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Go for it! That would definitely represent the Low-end Mid Tiers!
 
Also, a Low Mid-Tier, Zhang A Sheng, one of the Jiang-Nan Seven freaks is at least as strong as an Ox because he bare-wrestles with Ox for fun:

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And his arm defenses got destroyed by Qiu Chu Ji in one hit:

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So, even the weak Mid-Tiers in Jin Yong are casually class 5.
 
Ebitan34 said:
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Solid Super Sonic combat speed from Xiao Long Nv
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Super sonic+ Combat Speed for Xiao Long Nv? Golden Wheel Monk was able to reac to her blitz, so from scaling, Guo Jing's reaction speed would be Supersonic+ as well
 
Chi Attacks from Jin Yong characters also seem to have durability negation as they can bypass outer defenses to damage the internal organs as demonstrated by Xie Xun's õ©âõ╝ñµï│. So if a character they are fighting does not know Chi Manipulation but has a high durability, Jin Yong characters can still kill him/her via Chi Internal Attacks. So I added Chi Maniulation to Guo Jing's durability negation as well.
 
Although Yang Guo has a supersonic feat you linked above. Is that pre or post timeskip? I assume post.

I have edited the page. Although would Huang Rong's supersonic reaction feat scale to pre-timeskip?
 
Btw Guo Jing is not superior to Xiao Long Nv in combat speed, but he is definitely able to react to her attacks via scaling from Golden Wheel Monk who reacted to her attacks.
 
There are a few formatting mistakes, may I fix it?

Plus you forgot a key for pre-timeskip Yang Guo.

Also I think it's better to use Traditional Chinese in the biography as that's what the original novel were written as if my memory is correct.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
There are a few formatting mistakes, may I fix it?
Plus you forgot a key for pre-timeskip Yang Guo.

Also I think it's better to use Traditional Chinese in the biography as that's what the original novel were written as if my memory is correct.
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Definitely!

Imo, the Traditional Chinese biography looks too long winded and does not seem to suit the style of this Vs Battle wiki hahaha. I mean when you see Naruto's introduction, you would get what I mean - it was clear, concise and done within 3 sentences. I was trying to replicate the same effect, because imo, sometimes less means more, don't you think?
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
There are a few formatting mistakes, may I fix it?
Plus you forgot a key for pre-timeskip Yang Guo.

Also I think it's better to use Traditional Chinese in the biography as that's what the original novel were written as if my memory is correct.
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Btw, Mr Bambu gave me 3 reasons my page was taken down again.

"Not quite but it'd be infinitely closer to good, yes. You'd still need to...

  • expand on tiers, since you're ostensibly only showing his final tier in terms of power
  • spacing and capitalization
  • find suitable speed"
Would you mind explaining to me what he meant lol
 
@Ebitan34 You're supposed to show statistics for every single of his tier and speed, that's what he meant.

Coincidentally that's what I am asking you at the moment.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
I need some help since the keys are a bit messy, what AP and speed ratings should he get for each of his 4 keys?
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First Key AP is Low 9-C due to ÞøñÞƒåÕèƒ that injured a High-End fodder-tier, speed is just Athlete level I think.

Second Key AP is probably 9-B, speed probably Supersonic

Third Key AP is probably High 9-A, speed Supersonic as well

Fourth Key AP is 8-B, speed Supersonic +

Thanks for the help.
 
@Ebitan34

Firstly there's no such thing as High 9-A, just 9-A, and secondly what's the justification for that? If there's no justification we can't just bump up a tier, we'll have to say at least 9-B.

I cleaned up formatting mistakes, but I'll leave it to you to give appropriate statistics for each key as I don't remember a lot of details about RotCH lol (I'm a bigger fan of LotCH XD).

You're supposed to give statistics and powers and abilities for every key. Here's a brief example:

John

Powers and Abilities: Peak Human, Martial Arts | Same, plus Superhuman Physical Characteristics | Same, plus Pressure Points

Attack Potency: 10-B | 9-B | 8-A

Speed: Subsonic | Supersonic | Hypersonic

Lifting Strength: Class 5 | Class 10 | Class 50

Key: Human | Demon | Devil
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
@Ebitan34 You're supposed to show statistics for every single of his tier and speed, that's what he meant.
Coincidentally that's what I am asking you at the moment.
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Ah so basically feats for every single of his stats? Got it. But what about scaling feats to currently non-existing vs battle characters though? Like Huang Yao Shi, Xiao Long Nv etc.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
@Ebitan34
Firstly there's no such thing as High 9-A, just 9-A, and secondly what's the justification for that? If there's no justification we can't just bump up a tier, we'll have to say at least 9-B.

I cleaned up formatting mistakes, but I'll leave it to you to give appropriate statistics for each key as I don't remember a lot of details about RotCH lol (I'm a bigger fan of LotCH XD).

You're supposed to give statistics and powers and abilities for every key. Here's a brief example:

John

Powers and Abilities: Peak Human, Martial Arts | Same, plus Superhuman Physical Characteristics | Same, plus Pressure Points

Attack Potency: 10-B | 9-B | 8-A

Speed: Subsonic | Supersonic | Hypersonic

Lifting Strength: Class 5 | Class 10 | Class 50

Key: Human | Demon | Devil
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Ohh GOT IT! SO the keys mean different abilities for different Time-skips? Ohh LOL I thought it was just for the sake of tidiness!
 
Btw I was rereading LotCH and apparently early Huang Rong was able to learn "move shadow change position" (literal translation, idk the English) by just looking at Hou Tonghai. So that's Subsonic I suppose, since the name seems to imply instantly moving from one place to the other faster than the eye?

Not sure anyone scales though, as Huang Rong is very fast speed wise and can blitz martial artists far superior to her.
 
@Spino

What are the conclusions here?
 
There aren't conclusions, this is just a general discussion thread for the verse.

Although currently Ebitan34 is making a draft for a character's profile, but he is new to the wiki and I'mm just helping him on formatting and stuff.
 
Okay. Sorry about being strayminded. I will unsubscribe from this thread then.
 
Also it was saying the Seven Freaks of Jiangnan (Six technically after Zhang died) grew significantly stronger throughout the years of training Guo Jing. So the pot throwing would be like fodder martial artist stuff, considering how casually they did it.

That also means the Freaks aside from Zhang vastly upscale from Zhang wrestling oxen.
 
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