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Jin Yong wuxia novel discussion thread (0.1)

Do you have the original text for Huang Rong's speed feat? It would be great to see such an early JinYong Character already showing such speed. The Jiangnan Seven Freaks would likely provide good fodder scaling for the high/top tiers.
 
I'll get it tmr morning.

So basically for all the martial artists in LotCH, they would need pre-Mongolia and post-Mongolia keys, since the Seven (Six) Freaks grew significantly stronger and yet people like Mei Chaofeng and Qiu Chuji are still roughly equal to all of them combined.
 
Huang Rong is usually faster than most people even for Wanyan Honglie's invited martial artists who are significantly stronger than him. However later, Guo Jing held his own in sparring (when showing Hong Qigong), so he might scale.
 
Btw would Zhu Cong's stealing be a speed feat or just skill?

Tbh I really think people underrate the Seven Freaks, especially Zhu Cong, who could steal stuff from people as powerful as Qiu Chuji without him even noticing. It's just his morals stopping him from using a dagger, if he did that probably only the top tiers can block that.

I think people believe they're weak cuz they often have to 7 v 1, but usually they attack in groups of 3 and 4 in those fights, so they're not that weak.
 
Stealing seems a good combination of both speed and skill, can probably state that his stealing skill allows him to steal from people who are faster than him, so a limited speed negation?

Which is why I consider them Mid-Tiers.
 
Example: a 33-foot (10-meter) wave with a falling lip that is 66-feet (20-meters) wide will mean that, if you wipeout, you'll feel the equivalent of 410 tonnes (410000 kilograms) over your body.

EOS Yang Guo could rival tidal waves (which are around 10 metres tall in Qian Tang Jiang) with the wind from his Sword slashes, 410 tonnes energy Palm winds would put him at at least 8-A!

This would also put his lifting strength under Class K!
 
Also, Yang Guo has a hypersonic speed feat of being able to casually track and contain 81 pidgeons flying in all directions within a sphere using only his palms. The average flying speed of one pidgeon is 21.6 m/s, so multiplied by 81 would be 1746m/s, making his combat speed at casually mach 5 - Hypersonic!

This is the Mid-Tier Yang Guo who was Post Gumu Sect and Pretimeskip btw, so Guo Jing can definitely easily scale to this as well.
 
Pretimeskip Yang Guo could match the power of mountain torrents using his Obsidian Heavy Sword strikes.

A mountain torrent could range from large building to city block level, with this video as proof:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSeejWPX3GI

See how the mountain torrents were destroying the houses easily.

Pretimskip Yang Guo will be solidly in 8-C to Low 8-B
 
It seems that Top-tier Jin Yong characters like Guo JIng, Yang Guo, etc. seem to be actually in the 8-A range lol
 
I think you mixed up TNT tons and metric tonnes. The former is for AP and the latter is for LS. I don't think the wave qualifies for lifting strength, as Yang Guo didn't lift it or something. I doubt tidal waves are up to 8-A.

I don't think you can just multiply by the number of pigeons, he doesn't necessarily have to be 81 times faster to catch 81.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
I think you mixed up TNT tons and metric tonnes. The former is for AP and the latter is for LS. I don't think the wave qualifies for lifting strength, as Yang Guo didn't lift it or something. I doubt tidal waves are up to 8-A.
I don't think you can just multiply by the number of pigeons, he doesn't necessarily have to be 81 times faster to catch 81.
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Okay for the pdgeon feat, what he did wasn't catching all pidgeons together, what he did was actually leaping around in the air to push the 81 pidegos into a sphere-net created by his hands constantly. Like the 81 pidgeons are flying in all directions, and he has to keep running a 3D sphere around them to keep them constantly trapped within the "sphere cage" which is actually just his body moving really fast 3D spherically around them so that they keep getting pushed into the centre without exceeding a certain distance aka within the sphere.

Just the feat though, calculation definitely up to you haha
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
I think you mixed up TNT tons and metric tonnes. The former is for AP and the latter is for LS. I don't think the wave qualifies for lifting strength, as Yang Guo didn't lift it or something. I doubt tidal waves are up to 8-A.
I don't think you can just multiply by the number of pigeons, he doesn't necessarily have to be 81 times faster to catch 81.
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In the novek, it was stated that Yang Guo's generated winds from his sword slash could rival the tidal waves.

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If his palm winds could match 410 tonnes crushing down on him, then what is his palm strength? Shouldn't it exceed 410 tonnes?

Actually how strong is the striking feat for palm winds to rival 410 tonnes?
 
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The 81 pidgeon feat for context. It is like moving in 81 points at the same time constantly to ensure the pidegons never escape the 1 meter radius circle.

If you have to move subsonic in 81 directions almost at the same time, wouldn't it be logical to multiple it by 81?
 
The intensity of a changing tide is noticeable only in certain parts where it's high enough (the Bay of Fundy in Canada where it reached as high as 55 feet). Strong tides have the potential to cause damage to the houses on the beach and can result in flooding.

Alright, not too clear, probably still City Block, I guess, though it was from palm winds.
 
410 metric tonnes strength is completely different with 410 tons of TNT. Can you give the source for the 410 tonnes thing to see what unit is it referring to?

And it doesn't scale to lifting strength because striking is not considered part of lifting strength.

You don't multiply it by 81, you do something like this, determining the distance you have to move to stop each pigeon from leaving the circle just in time and the distance she has to move.

The feat seems to imply she has to apply 81 palm strikes to stop all pigeons before any of them cover a 1 m distance? Assuming each palm strike needs 1 m that's 81 m.

Pigeons fly at 21.6 m/s, so 0.04629629629 s

81/0.04629629629 = 1749.60 m/s, Mach 5.14, Hypersonic indeed

Who does this scale to?
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
410 metric tonnes strength is completely different with 410 tons of TNT. Can you give the source for the 410 tonnes thing to see what unit is it referring to?
And it doesn't scale to lifting strength because striking is not considered part of lifting strength.

You don't multiply it by 81, you do something like this, determining the distance you have to move to stop each pigeon from leaving the circle just in time and the distance she has to move.

The feat seems to imply she has to apply 81 palm strikes to stop all pigeons before any of them cover a 1 m distance? Assuming each palm strike needs 1 m that's 81 m.

Pigeons fly at 21.6 m/s, so 0.04629629629 s

81/0.04629629629 = 1749.60 m/s, Mach 5.14, Hypersonic indeed

Who does this scale to?
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This was a casual feat that was actually accomplished Early Gumu Sect Yang Guo after almost a year of training. It scales to the reaction speed of High Tier characters because they could react to it, eventhough they usually get blitzed by early Yang Guo and Xiao Long Nv, but they could still react fast enough to block their attacks, so Hypersonic reactions for High Tiers and above I guess.

It is Yang Guo and Xiao Long Nv that could combat at these speed. Not surprising considering the GuMu sect is well-known for their speed and agility.

For the Top-Tiers, it is save to assume that they can combat at such speeds as well, because they can combat EOS Yang Guo, who is definitely MUCH faster than this.
 
1/2 * (4.10 e5)*(50^2) = 5.125e8 J. What does this translate to?

Edit: Small Building level 9-A right

So Yang Guo's palm winds EOS are Small Building level, which can be scaled to Guo Jing.
 
Ebitan34 said:
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
So at least 9-A pre-timeskip Yang Guo then?
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I think so, though from this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSeejWPX3GI

It looks more like Building than Small building don't you think?

This is Pre-timeskip Yang Guo's Heavy Sword striking strength feat, where his strikes could rival that of a heavy mountain torrent.
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Have a good calc blog then.

I'm in - some time.

Speaking of evidence, I wonder if sticking to any Jin Yong-approved TVB shows would be appropriate since TVB has shot a lot of Jin Yong wuxia TV dramas.

Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
I will check when I go home.

Although I was thinking, isn't Zhang wrestling oxen Class 10? Cuz 12 000 lbs
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I personally would wish to double check - but being comparable to a bull should yield Class 5 lifting strength directly.
 
Jasonsith said:
Ebitan34 said:
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
So at least 9-A pre-timeskip Yang Guo then?
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I think so, though from this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSeejWPX3GI

It looks more like Building than Small building don't you think?

This is Pre-timeskip Yang Guo's Heavy Sword striking strength feat, where his strikes could rival that of a heavy mountain torrent.
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Have a good calc blog then.
I'm in - some time.

Speaking of evidence, I wonder if sticking to any Jin Yong-approved TVB shows would be appropriate since TVB has shot a lot of Jin Yong wuxia TV dramas.


Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
I will check when I go home.

Although I was thinking, isn't Zhang wrestling oxen Class 10? Cuz 12 000 lbs
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I personally would wish to double check - but being comparable to a bull should yield Class 5 lifting strength directly.
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Oh the Youtube video is nothign about tvb, it was purely about a mountain torrent destorying a village.

I am trying to scale it to pretimeskip yang guo's AP because Yang Guo in the novels could rival mountain torrents pretimeskip via heavy sword slashes.
 
@Jasonsith I think you would need to make alternate versions of alternate versions of Yang Guo.

Although Jin Yong approved might make it secondary canon, just like the Harry Potter movies.

If we decide it's valid we can have a shot at the Seven Freak's wine tossing.

Regarding the cattle thing, Ebitan34 found something about oxen being 12 000 to 13 000 pounds.

@Ebitan34 Wait so mountain torrents and tidal waves are two different feats?

I will check.
 
Again a bit off-topic but should Zhu Bajie really downscale from Sun Wukong? I remember them fighting, but some versions suggest he was stomped while the wording in the original Journey to the West seems to imply him holding his own for a while.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Again a bit off-topic but should Zhu Bajie really downscale from Sun Wukong? I remember them fighting, but some versions suggest he was stomped while the wording in the original Journey to the West seems to imply him holding his own for a while.
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I agree with Zhu Bajie downscale. Journey to the West sometimes take similar battle presentation style like Death Battle. (Seems like the battle is not totally stomped such as Guro VS Magacarp, but it is actually a stomp. Also, Sun Wukong's surprior is suggested.)
 
Problem is Sun Wukong is "at least 6-C, possibly 5-C", so I'm not sure would Zhu Bajie be "at most 6-C", "at most 5-C", "at most 6-C to 5-C" or what.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Problem is Sun Wukong is "at least 6-C, possibly 5-C", so I'm not sure would Zhu Bajie be "at most 6-C", "at most 5-C", "at most 6-C to 5-C" or what.
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I suggest "At most 6-C to 5-C (Weaker than Sun Wukong)"
 
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