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Jaune Arc VS Carapace (Grace)

Stillwinston said:
Well I don't know what Carapace has in terms of skill and stuff, does he play the ranged game more than cqc?
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Carapace does both. He both uses cqc, and will also throw his shield from afar like a boomerang

Carapace scales to about 40 Kilotons. How high she scales to?
 
besides the amps Jaune has other things like Experience, more dura and stamina, and most importantly if Carapace will shot his shield at Jaune, it will be either reflected back at him or another way thanks to the gravity dust in his shield
 
"Aren’t those Amps what actually make him Town level?"
No Jaune is Town level without amps, his amps make him stronger
"What does he have?"
He has his semblance which can be used on himself to amplify his power and durability, as well as a damage boost with the gravity dust in his shield which deals more damage than his normal attacks (gravity dust-fueled attacks in general hit harder than the user's normal attacks)
 
Spinoirr said:
"Aren’t those Amps what actually make him Town level?"
No Jaune is Town level without amps, his amps make him stronger
"What does he have?"
He has his semblance which can be used on himself to amplify his power and durability, as well as a damage boost with the gravity dust in his shield which deals more damage than his normal attacks (gravity dust-fueled attacks in general hit harder than the user's normal attacks)
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Carapace's Shield can no-sell attacks from people comparable to him, so he can protect himself just fine with this, and it seems that still, Carapace has the AP advantage so I'll vote him
 
I have more to say about jaune especially his experience edge. As this guy is from season two from the show and jaune is from 8 volumes here

Just need to type out jaunes major skill feats
 
for now i will count his vote, but yeah can you guys explain the feats of each other?
 
Spinoirr said:
But first can you explain this turtle man's skill feats
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Carapace can fight multiple akumas at once as well as being a master in hand to hand combat.

He also defeated Riposte and broke her sword, despite her training fencing for more than a decade. He also managed to fight Anansi, who is a professional boxer that likely also trained for a very long time
 
I'll post jaunes skills later as it almost supper here but first here is this info about jaune

Jaune's aura and shield can both protect himself from attacks from stronger opponents, the shield in particular being far more durable than his standard durability due to utilizing hard light dust barriers to amplify its durability
Jaune also has regen and passive self healing and can amplify both his physical durability and his aura durability with his semblance

Also aura protects jaune from attacks at least two times stronger then his base durability
 
during his first semester at beacon, Jaune went from having almost zero combat skill to being able to keep up with other students who trained their entire lives in combat, and he continued training since then, with his current key being able to outmatch flynt coal in combat, with Flynt being exceedingly skilled in his own right both due to being a student of Atlas Academy (Atlas having an extremely strict vetting process for who gets accepted into their school due to being a military academy and thus only accepting the best of the best students to train) and outmatching Weiss in skill (Weiss herself having trained daily since she was old enough to hold a weapon and being recognized as one of the most skilled fighters in all of Beacon)
at this point in the series his skill also scales to the likes of Velvet scarlatina, who has the ability to instantly replicate and utilize any fighting style she sees and memorize it, allowing her to utilize dozens of different fighting styles at the same time as well as utilize the weapons of people she sees fight perfectly (Basically Taskmaster but she doesnt lose her memories in the process)
 
Spinoirr said:
during his first semester at beacon, Jaune went from having almost zero combat skill to being able to keep up with other students who trained their entire lives in combat, and he continued training since then, with his current key being able to outmatch flynt coal in combat, with Flynt being exceedingly skilled in his own right both due to being a student of Atlas Academy (Atlas having an extremely strict vetting process for who gets accepted into their school due to being a military academy and thus only accepting the best of the best students to train) and outmatching Weiss in skill (Weiss herself having trained daily since she was old enough to hold a weapon and being recognized as one of the most skilled fighters in all of Beacon)
at this point in the series his skill also scales to the likes of Velvet scarlatina, who has the ability to instantly replicate and utilize any fighting style she sees and memorize it, allowing her to utilize dozens of different fighting styles at the same time as well as utilize the weapons of people she sees fight perfectly (Basically Taskmaster but she doesnt lose her memories in the process)
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Carapace can also fight and easily defeat Riposte, who has Kagami's skills and she trained her entire life in fencing. He ain't that less skilled than his Season 3 self, who can fight Miraculer, a person who can copy the powers of all Superheroes and use them all at once alongside Rena Rouge. Carapace can also fight Anansi, who is thr akumatized form of a professional boxer, whose skill is only even more enchanced by the akuma. All Miraculous holders are also very skilled in cqc combat

Carapace is also much stronger than Jaune, and his shield can no sell attacks from beings as strong or stronger than Carapace himself, such as Anansi. His Shell-ter also gives him a High 7-C shield that Jaune likely isn't breaking

I still wasn't given how he wins, especially when Carapace has more than double the AP advantage here
 
his season 2 key does not have high 7-C durability
not even for shell-ter

shell-ter seems like a bad idea to use against a single cqc-oriented opponent
if he can only use it once in combat and after using it he reverts back to a 9-B
 
as for Carapace's skill comparisons, the people he scales to are people who trained in their respective combat styles for sport and competition whereas the people Jaune scales to were trained to fight with the intent of killing their opponents while also wielding complex melee weaponry

and im not sure how copying superpowers is equivalent to mimicking and combining dozens of people's fighting styles

he's only 2.5x stronger and Jaune has multiple amps and damage boosts to close that gap considerably, his semblance alone doubles his AP

as wll as the aformentioned issue of Shell-Ter not being High 7-C and reverting Carapace to 9-B after its used
 
depending on the context behind his type 6 immortality an argument could possibly be made for carpace, however jaune resists extreme temperatures which is basically the majority of carpace attacks, so I’m gonna go with Juane rn might change up later though
 
"depending on the context behind his type 6 immortality an argument could possibly be made for carpace"
Carapace doesnt have Type 6 immortality, that only Bubbler and Oblivio
 
catzlaflame said:
depending on the context behind his type 6 immortality an argument could possibly be made for carpace, however jaune resists extreme temperatures which is basically the majority of carpace attacks, so I’m gonna go with Juane rn might change up later though
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Carapace doesn't attack with moves based on extreme tempreatures...

It's just AP for that key
 
Spinoirr said:
as for Carapace's skill comparisons, the people he scales to are people who trained in their respective combat styles for sport and competition whereas the people Jaune scales to were trained to fight with the intent of killing their opponents while also wielding complex melee weaponry
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It doesn't really matter to what purpose they were trained, as even fencing swords can definitely kill without the people wearing protective suits and helmets

Second part is more valid so alright.

Even ignoring Shell-ter, since he doesn't start with it, Carapace's shields are going to be a big problem for Jaune to affect you still didn't explained how he would get past his shield.

And if the amps also increase Jaune's speed, then the battle cannot be added as it will make Jaune blitz Carapace, who has MHS+ attack and reaction speed despite Supersonic+ travel speed VS Jaune's MHS speed
 
Lucky it didn't amp his speed

However speed is equal so he actually can get around it via skill and gravity dust + his semblance amp even though getting around that would be hard for him he can still do it
 
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