Jaune Arc vs Brigitte Lindholm

[WeeklyBattles]

Considering any melee weapon including punches can get past her shield its really not that helpful in a melee fight. Jaune also has his regen and his AoE stun if she gets close. Shield Bash's stun also literally only lasts one second.

In-game balancing most likely, look at the Doomfist cinematic, Genji was using the dragonblade for most of the fight.

Because Jaune is 2 tons to Genji's 2.9 tons and Dragonblade only increases his cutting power, not his actual AP.

Brigitte's whip Shot is almost identical to the Nuckelavee's elastic arms attack that Jaune was able to not only dodge several times, but also figured out how to disable. He can very easily do the same thing to Brigitte's mace and disarm her.

When she's on the offensive Jaune can very easily dodge her Whip Shot and potentially disable her mace completely like he did with the Nuckelavee's arms or take advantage of the fact that she cant readily spam it as the attack takes a few seconds between uses and slows her down as well. Brigitte's speed amp only applies to her movement speed and the difference is minimal. Also why are we ignoring Jaune's regen, aura, and treating this like Jaune is just going to allow himself to be hit over and over again?

 

[Jinx666]

Well ofc any melee punches can get through it (via game mechanics at least. The shield having a healthbar and damage being considered by in game mechanics is a bit meh). a shield that blocks everything would be broken. Lets just say it has its durability and breaks with sufficient damage, not specifically weak to melee.

Was Genji using his dragon blade ultimate? I didn't see those two dragons, which indicates when hes attack amped. Plus, he doesnt carry two swords.

2 tons is still unequal. what feat btw? and it increases AP by increasing cutting power. Like, he does more damage doesnt he, thats all that matters, and therefore has higher AP. Its not like this wiki takes into account the difference between blunt force and normal force durability either. Jaune cant strike with the power of the Dragon Blade.

It isnt really identical, its a rocket flail, its just like any other weapon, and Jaune was still getting hit. And again, its not like Brigitte cant hold her own in a physical fight either, especially with someone who has a sword. He cant really stab into the mace like he did the nuckelavees arms either, since its a lot different to an actual limb. And ofc Brigitte isn't going to let him, that mace is about as durable as everything else. Jaune wouldnt think of a flail like the arm, and he has really never tried breaking a weapon to end the fight.

I dont know why you're really comparing it? Dodging is dodging. Jaune like many others has shown the capability of dodging? It doesnt mean he's automatically got ultra instinct or something, the range will still keep him at bay, especially whent he flail can arguable be swung much more openly than the Nuckelavee's arm in taht fight, who was bolting straight ahead apart from that one spin attack none of them could dodge. The spamming of those sorts of attacks is again, in game mechanics, she's not going to be physically unable to move her arm and weapon. I suppose the cooldowns on all of RWBY's special moves should have a cooldown cause that was what was in Grimm Eclipse. The only cooldowns that can be considered is the tech, but her physical capabilities arent physically stiffened. When does it make her slower either?

Jaune's regen is minor cuts and wounds, and Aura cant really regen effectively within a fight, unless you're super tough like Hazel. Aura still faulters to damage, and he can get one shot without it. And while he may not want to get hit over and over, what other strategy can he do when he has literally 0 range and a semblance that works based on everyone else. Hes a strategist yeah, but we cant just say 'he'll figure something out' when we ourselves dont know what he can do that doesnt nerf her like Mercury or Qrow in that dumb fight. Brigitte is intelligent in her own right aswell. Brigittes healing is much more controlled, gives out a stronger input in a smaller amount of time, and cant just be used once. She has the advantage in regen

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Brigitte FRA.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Its not game mechanics at all, even in the cinematics Reinhardt's shield, which Brigitte based the technology off of for her own shield, was broken after a few seconds of constant gunfire, and his shield is more durable than Brigitte's. And it is specificaally weak to melee, any melee attack in the game bypasses it completely.

Yes he was, there was even the trademark neon green that he has whenever he's using his sword and you literally see him pull it out of the sheath on his back.

Mei's ice wall. No, it increases cutting power like Raiden's HF Blade, it doesnt increase his AP. Hanzo's Dragonstrike increases his damage even though it causes his attack to ignore durability completely, increasing damage is not the same thing as increasing AP. Genji's AP with the Dragonblade is 1.9 tons, Jaune's normal strikes are 2 tons, yes he can.

He dodged pretty easily as his first move against it, and the Nuck's arms and Brigitte's Rocket Flail are essentially identical in function. Theyre both are used in both melee and distance combat and both can be fired at a distance in one direction but have to be reeled in to be fired again and while theyre doing this they can barely move. and he cant stab the head of the mace but he can stab it into the links of the chain that hold the head of the mace to the pommel which would actually be easier considering theres already holes as opposed to a solid mass. He doesnt have to break the mace, all he would be doing is disarming her.

Brigitte has never once shown the ability to actively swing her flail at a range more than a meter in front of her, not can she actively spam Whip Shot, she needs a few seconds in between to be able to use it again. Its in the description of the attack and in what is shown in the game that she is slowed while she uses the attack.

Its also blunt force damage. And no, without his aura he is still 2 tons, i dont understand why people think RWBY characters have no durability whatsoever without their aura, all it does when it goes down is leave them open to more serious damage. He wont be oneshot at all. He does have range and his semblance does work on himself.

 

[Jinx666]

Well, that was constant gunfire, not a limited set of sword strikes. Unfortunately, Jaune's weapon is also 'not a gun'. And since when did melee attacks go through the shield? She can block attacks from melee based ppl like Doomfist and Genji?

Holy damn, he does carry two swords? Thats weird, never noticed it, but either way the Dragon Blade is clearly time restricted, otherwise he could go around giving 120 damage all the time. The two Dragons that he has are what amp his power, 'by cutting', and his dragon blade is comparable to Hanzo anyway, so i dont see why it wouldnt amp power. Thats still an amped up Genji either way, his AP isnt whats breaking Brigitte's shield in any case if its merely him using a shaper sword, so idk why Jaune would be comparable to a dragon blade genji and not normal genji, which is bad in a 1v1 with Brigitte.

Yeah, the thing is, thats still not saying Jaune is comparable to the Dragonblade Genji, who cant Break Brigitte's shield in 5 shots without the help of his dragons, Whats to say Jaune's sword is 'sharper' than Genji's. Katana's like genji's are usually the lightest and sharpest swords, compared to Jaunes heavy longsword. So really we cant say Jaune can break it in 5 hits, considering actual gameplay health. And Brigitte can easily shieldbash, because then Jaune has no choice but to get close, since he cant do anything at all with range

Well, theres a bit of a difference there, Jaune to be getting anywhere would have to be moving forward, to Brigitte, not side dodging (Which is easier than trying to dodge a hit while remaining straight on) to get Qrow. As you can see, The other RNGR's, who are still considerably swiifter and better than Jaune, weren't able to get close to the Nuckelavee. And again, Brigitte only has her whip shot go in a latral direction, her mace literally swings like the Nuckelavee did that one time, which none could dodge, as it covers more distance. And would Jaune really try and disarm Brigitte? He'd honestly assume she had aura, despite all that armour, which apparently also protects her weapon to be able to jam a spike. Chains in her mace arent so wide that it could accomodate the tip of Jaunes sword ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), plus, whats he gonna do? keep his sword jamming her mace while he tries to fight her unarmed? except with a much wider shield and better healing.

Her Mace reaches 6m in its regular strikes, and again, game cooldowns cant really...disable her for a bit on using frankly physical attacks that dont rely on any sort of charge. With her shield, absolutely, but why would her whip shot while retracting and extending, be unable to work again. Cant see anything in her game features. The only thing that slows her movement speed is when she is using the barrier, and if thats a problem, then Rally can easily speed amp her.

Well, Brigitte doesn't have blunt force on her, so is aura useless then? And its not like anyone can fight after they have lost their aura, at least not with people who all have it deactivated, like Qrow and Ruby vs Tyrian. Jaune clearly wont be able to fight without his aura, and it will take a mere few mace shots to the face at most to get him to go down. Aura also amps his AP, his Speed (probably) etc, like it does with everyone from RWBY, so he's not going to be anything useful after that aura depletes.

? His semblance has never shown to work on himself. He's only used it once so far on Weiss. And if so, that will have to be diabled, considering it apparently amps them to Tier 7. And his ranged attack is a shockwave that he's never used in combat, and merely moved grass with, hows he going to hurt a girl covered in armour.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Melee attacks all go through her shield, just tested this myself firsthand in-game, all melee attacks can go through her shield.

Yes he has two, a Wakizashi (which he uses for Deflect) and a Katana. Its time restricted in-game but not in the cinematics.

Reinhardt can break it in 8 attacks, Doomfist in 6, and Torb in 10. And if you want to talk about cutting power Jaune also has his shield blade that increases the power of his swings and his cutting power.

Yes her mace swing's like the Nuck's arms but she has never once actually used her mace at full extension as more than a linear attack before. And yes, he would, he wouldnt need to be unarmed as he could just use his shield sheath on top of his sword and use that as a spike to keep the mace in place while he still has access to his sword.

Im not talking about game cooldowns, im talking about literally the amount of time it takes her to fire and reel in the chain, it leaves her open until she can bring the head of the mace back in. https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Brigitte#General_Strategies

• Be careful when using Whip Shot, as the time it takes to detract can leave her vulnerable. The speed decrease can make her an easy target for snipers.
• Try not to use it on open area, as her reduced movement speed will make herself easy to be headshot by the enemy.

Rally doesnt apply to the mace's speed, only her own movement speed, and Jaune can keep up with his own Nimble Leader.

Jaune has more aura than almost anyone in RWBY, its going to take more than a few hits to take it down. Both Qrow and Tyrian were able to fight just fine when their aura went down so why youre using them as an example i dont understand.

His Semblance has shown to work on himself in Grimm Eclipse, and his shockwaves can stagger and kill Grimm. He can also heal himself and increase the speed at which he regenerates, as well as his own speed and AP.

 

[Jinx666]

Well, i cant find anything on that tbh, but things like Genji's strikes and attacks cannot go through her barrier, definitely not. I directly turn to Brigitte when a Genji is jumping around

It's not used by him in the cinematics until the end, and the two dragons show when he has actiavted Dragon Blade. He only used them when he reflected Hanzo's ult.

How does Brigittes shield break with melee attacks then, if you're saying melee gets past Brigitte's shield. If youre referring to the small standard hits, then idk why, but if the thing can block multiple physical attacks, theres no reason why it sucks against melee. Also how can we say Jaune's sword gets sharper to the point its on par with the dragonblade, that allows genji to do over twice his regular damage? If anything, Jaunes 'punches' and not sword swings go through it, which is a bit illogical you have to admit. Plus he's just gonna get shield bashed.

The Nuck's arm can only be comparable to the whip shot, but Jaune couldnt avoid it when it swung to the side in that spin attack, which is Brigitte's 6m range advantage, especially when she has the stun. Other than that, Jaune merely dodging, which isnt anything unique or gamechanging, isnt gonna mean he wont completely get outranged in a physical aspect, where he can only fight close range.

A sheath? Really? Sheaths arent sharp, ofc when the sword disassembles, the sheath isnt going to keep her mace pinned to the ground. If anything his sword stays in the chains (Which again, wont fit, have you seen the size of Jaune's sword?) while he has a sheath to fight with, which he cant obviously. If this was the case, why didnt he do this when he was pinning the nuckelavee? He isnt one to try and disable someones weapons and fight dirty either.

Well yeah, but as if Jaune is gonna be able to reach her in the few seconds it takes for her to release it, this is all gameplay mechanics aswell to balance her out a but, give her a weakness in game, cause i dont think she's going to be physically unable to pull out any defences while her whip merely retracts. There isnt any coding completely stopping her in this fight. And this is movement speed, so its hardly going to faulter her reactions

...Thats a Grimm Eclipse move given to him, by DLC might i add (Which means he isnt officially part of the story, which is the only canon thing tbh), that he has never displayed in the show, and was only given to him so that he can be more than a guy with a sword compared to the rest of the diverse cast. You really can't say he has this ability. Especially when he never uses it even in the best situations

Yeah, Aura 'reserves', meaning things like, emergency aura that he needs for his semblance. Cardin easily depleted his in a fight, as well as him barely standing out with that in a fight, only now as of recently. Not saying Brigitte will lol him about in a few hits (Only when his aura deactivates). Qrow and Tyrian both had their aura down, Its how Ruby could now suddenly fight on par with Tyrian, so its saying that this is a case where its deactivated. Plus, aura gives them their AP doesnt it. How is Jaune gonna beat her even with aura down when he cant hurt her.

This was before he even discovered his semblance...and again, this is all Grimm Eclipse DLC moves made to not make him Jaune. It isnt linked to his semblance, since well, he didnt even have it during these events right before V3, and the fact its specifically stated to be able to amplify others'. How does he amplify his own aura with his own aura? He cant produce more aura for himself can he. And even if so, thats Tier 7 territory judging by Weiss (Even though its still completely possible Jaune gave her the power to summon the lancer rather than to amp it. What makes them all tier 7 btw? Scaling to the Grimm Dragon, cause thats a bit faulty aswell), so it cant be considered. This is secondary canon being disproven by primary canon. He hasnt shown to do any of this in the actual canon, pus when hes not a legit canon character in the Grimm Eclipse events being DLC.

 

[DraycoMakargo]

Let's say that's his semblance for now. Since Grimm Eclipse is counted as canon, abilities and plot, on this site, then that would make everything in Jaune's arc throughout all of RWBY to volume 5 COMPLETE PIS. He was shown to use his semblance but didn't know he had it. Yet the whole show went on to go to the lengths of revealing it as a surprise.

Not to mention if these are in fact his semblance, he failed to use te abilities he has in canon against any threat in his way.

Either these are just abilities he had in game to make him viable, yet foreshadow his semblance in volume 5, or Jaune's arc is complete PIS. I reckon' it's the former.

 

[Jinx666]

Knowing RWBY's shit writing, i wouldnt be surprised if Jaune's arc (Which would have been plausible if they didnt keep adding obvious cliffhangers all the time, like it was TOTALLY a suprise. The only good time they did this was Raven's maiden reveal) was just useless after all

Point was, it was only added so that he could get something more unique, a support role, cause he wouldnt be balanced or unique compared to the other 7 characters. Grimm Eclipse powers that haven't actually been shown on the show, in my opinion, shouldnt be taken into account until we actually see if they can do that, since only the storyline was what was said to be secondary canon.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Question, why does Reinhardt have 8-A for his sheild which can survive D.Va's nuke, and Brigitte doesn't? Her armor on the profile is stated to be as durable as Rein's and her sheild, operating on the same mechanism, should be at least somewhat comparable. Also, why are we using game mechanics to debate Brigitte's sheild's abilities when it can block some forms of melee strikes?

Regardless, I belive Jaune takes this with a decent AP advantage. Skill-wise I'd say they're about the same with a slight edge to Jaune, and while Brigitte might be able to Whip-shot him from a distance at the start of the match, once he closes distance he'll dominate in close combat. Swords are typically more easily controlled and better at landing fatal blows than flails, especially since Jaune has a decent AP damage.

 

[Jinx666]

Yeah, but Brigitte's shield, and her shield bash. She'll activate it immediately once Jaune starts head on attacking her

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Her shield bash sadly won't be as effective if Jaune has a AP/Dura advantage, and even then her shield can't be deployed in tandem with her main weapon like Jaune, who can be both on the defense and the offense at the same time. She would have to drop her main defenses to attack Jaune and vice versa.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Also, votes.

Jaune - 6 (Dargoo, Kiryu, Weekly, Kinkiest, Zeph, Kep)

Brig - 5 (Just, Drayco, Ricai, Crop, Schro)

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

changin it to jaune fra

 

[Jinx666]

Her shield bash sadly won't be as effective if Jaune has a AP/Dura advantage, and even then her shield can't be deployed in tandem with her main weapon like Jaune, who can be both on the defense and the offense at the same time. She would have to drop her main defenses to attack Jaune and vice versa.

When was it ever said it wont be as Effective with shield Bash? She can hit ppl like Doomfistand Reinhardt who would arguably be stronger than Jaune

While thats true, her shield is a lot wider and can give her opening unlike Jaunes shield, who has to sacrifice extra power if he also wants the shield. And besides, her better range would easily make it at least even.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

When was it ever said it wont be as Effective with shield Bash? She can hit ppl like Doomfistand Reinhardt who would arguably be stronger than Jaune

Uh, no? Rein and Doomfist scale off of the same calc as Brig from what I'm aware of.

He would be able to break through her sheild much faster than any Hero given the AP advantage. It's not by a crazy amount, but it's a definitive advantage.

Also,

Grace began 20 Hours ago, and ends in four hours.

Jaune - 7 (Dargoo, Kiryu, Weekly, Kinkiest, Zeph, Kep, Ricsi)

Brig - 4 (Just, Drayco, Crop, Schro)