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Jaune Arc vs Brigitte Lindholm
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Oblivious and dense blonde boy beats cheerful girl. Aura is a great tool to have in this fight.
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yeah, i mean... Jaune's aura too op. Jaune wins.
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Well, sure, but Brigitte does have some advantages herself, her rocket flail giving her stronger range, her supposedly stronger shield, and since Jaune fights close range, a good stun with shield bash.
Not to mention she can also heal herself, more on a manual basis (Jaune has yet to show he can heal himself with his own semblance, so supposedly this aura generation is his only regen here).
Frankly im stuck on who would win this, which is why i made the thread
Not to mention she can also heal herself, more on a manual basis (Jaune has yet to show he can heal himself with his own semblance, so supposedly this aura generation is his only regen here).
Frankly im stuck on who would win this, which is why i made the thread
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Jaune FRA.
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That's 4 for jaune, 2 for Brigitte
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Pretty much agree with Jinx's reasoning. Not to mention Brigitte can still make herself faster with Rally. Equalizing speed won't stop her from using that. I don't see how Jaune's aura really helps him. It helps him last longer for sure. But in the long term I think Brigitte takes this.
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@Drayco Jaune can make himself faster with Natural Leader
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@Weekly There's still the fact Brigitte can heal herself in better doses than Jaune's aura. He doesn't really have anything else that can put Brigitte on edge.
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Not really allowed to go on about this i guess but
That ability of Jaunes was added in merely so he could be something more than a guy with a sword and shield. Like, literally, it was made only for versatility, cause otherwise Jaune, someone you had to pay for, would be absolutely useless compared to everyone else.
Its not really a power that he's actually displayed in the show, and the events of Grimm Eclipse are the only things that are 'secondary' canon. Plus, he never uses it in the show and therefore we cant say he will turn to it can we?
Plus Jaune is DLC, so he wasn't even in the initial game when it first released, so he doesnt really tie into the story. In games.
That ability of Jaunes was added in merely so he could be something more than a guy with a sword and shield. Like, literally, it was made only for versatility, cause otherwise Jaune, someone you had to pay for, would be absolutely useless compared to everyone else.
Its not really a power that he's actually displayed in the show, and the events of Grimm Eclipse are the only things that are 'secondary' canon. Plus, he never uses it in the show and therefore we cant say he will turn to it can we?
Plus Jaune is DLC, so he wasn't even in the initial game when it first released, so he doesnt really tie into the story. In games.
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Jaune has passive regen, Brigette doesnt. Jaune has an close-range aoe shockwave that can stun brigette if she gets close.DraycoMakargo said:
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And Brigitte has a shield that she always hides behind. And a shield bash to stun him out of it. Plus with the mace range of like, 20m on her mace, the range would keep Jaune at bay. The Nuckelavee's elasticity was the hardest part about it, RNJR could barely get close until they had to sought out each body partWeeklyBattles said:
Come to think of it, Jaune did that accidentally, he doesnt know how to activate it either
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Fighting the Nuckelavee took all of RNJR to beat even with Jaune's plan. Jaune's on his own and won't be getting close to Brigitte because of that. If he does try to attack Brigitte will be able to damage him and wear down his armor. Brigitte isn't going to get close because her flail is pretty much going to keep Jaune back. If he tries getting close for an attack or his shockwave, Brigitte will be able to restore health by hitting him (if she took any damage that is (which is why I said bettter doses and not better overall), or use her own shield bash against him. She could even use her whip shot to keep him back.
Jaune's never seen to use those abilities in the show, so I don't really think they're going to come to mind, but even if they do they aren't gonna help him as Brigitte counters them.
Also question, can Brigitte use her own Repair Pack? I know it's used for allies but since she's on her own is she allowed to use it? If so then that's just yet another reason for Brigitte winning.
Jaune's never seen to use those abilities in the show, so I don't really think they're going to come to mind, but even if they do they aren't gonna help him as Brigitte counters them.
Also question, can Brigitte use her own Repair Pack? I know it's used for allies but since she's on her own is she allowed to use it? If so then that's just yet another reason for Brigitte winning.
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The gap between Jaune's AP and Brigette's AP is literally 1.3 tons, there's no reason why Jaune wont be able to damage Brigitte. Jaune also has ranged shockwaves he can make just by swinging his sword.
It doesnt matter if he hasnt used them in the show, theyre canon to the show and he has them in this fight.
It doesnt matter if he hasnt used them in the show, theyre canon to the show and he has them in this fight.
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Nobody said Jaune doesn't have the AP to damage Brigitte, we said he has no way of closing in on Brigitte due to her range.
And whether those abilities are canon or not is for a different thread. I didn't claim they were non-canon, I said that due to Jaune never using them in the show, especially on threats it could very well be useful for like the Nuckevalee, he didn't use it. Basically meaning, within canon, Jaune just doesn't use it extremely often. Yes, he has them in this fight, but I doubt he'll use them because he never uses them within the show when they could very well tip the scales in his favor.
Shockwaves or not, Brigitte can block Reinhardt's earthshatter so...
Quick note though, can somebody tell me where Jaune uses shockwaves?
And whether those abilities are canon or not is for a different thread. I didn't claim they were non-canon, I said that due to Jaune never using them in the show, especially on threats it could very well be useful for like the Nuckevalee, he didn't use it. Basically meaning, within canon, Jaune just doesn't use it extremely often. Yes, he has them in this fight, but I doubt he'll use them because he never uses them within the show when they could very well tip the scales in his favor.
Shockwaves or not, Brigitte can block Reinhardt's earthshatter so...
Quick note though, can somebody tell me where Jaune uses shockwaves?
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Her range is only superior to Jaune's with Whip Shot and nothing else, and he has shockwaves to make up for it.
He has no reason to not use them
Yes but it can be bypassed by melee attacks very easily (As in any melee attacker can attack around it)
Jaune creates shockwaves with his sword just in training
He has no reason to not use them
Yes but it can be bypassed by melee attacks very easily (As in any melee attacker can attack around it)
Jaune creates shockwaves with his sword just in training
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Jaune isn't going to be able to get around her if he can't get close to her. Just cause only whip shot gives her better range doesn't discount it. He won't be getting close.
If Jaune didn't use Natural leader or Team Jaune in several fights, including the Nuckevalee, then I doubt he will decid to use it for this fight too. Unless he was bloodlusted that is.
If Jaune didn't use Natural leader or Team Jaune in several fights, including the Nuckevalee, then I doubt he will decid to use it for this fight too. Unless he was bloodlusted that is.
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Why exactly wont he be getting close? Not only can Whip shot be dodged but it can only be used every few seconds
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He's not quite fast enough to dodge it, and the cooldown is only a gameplay element rather than a restriction on her use of it. Many Overwatch characters prove that.
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Speed is equalized
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Exactly my point
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Considering Jaune has shown to be perfectly willing to use dodge tactics and has been able to dodge multiple attacks in succession against him even when unarmed, i still dont see why he wouldnt be able to dodge
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Even if he dodges, how is he gonna get past her shield and tight defence?
And have these shockwaves ever actually shown to hurt someone? Cause Jaune really doesn't or has used them as a ranged attack, only to swash some grass during practise. He always tries to get in close rather than play a range game
And cooldowns for physical attacks like Brigitte's are mere game mechanics, its like Pokemon being unable to scratch cause they have no PP, they cant not use a regular hit with cooldowns other than what they themselves can perform.
And have these shockwaves ever actually shown to hurt someone? Cause Jaune really doesn't or has used them as a ranged attack, only to swash some grass during practise. He always tries to get in close rather than play a range game
And cooldowns for physical attacks like Brigitte's are mere game mechanics, its like Pokemon being unable to scratch cause they have no PP, they cant not use a regular hit with cooldowns other than what they themselves can perform.
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The same way that Genji's sword, Doomfist's punches, Winston's punches, and both Rein's and Torb's hammers get past it, by swinging at it. Her shield isnt like Rein's, its small and can very easily be attacked around by melee weapons.
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Her Shield covers her whole body. Its big enough ofc, and seeing as it can take a lot of damage, plus the fact Brigitte Can shield Bash Jaune when he gets too close and follow up attacks after his stun, its not a very sound strategy. She specialises in Defence, in the rare occurance jaune is going to be able to get close from 20m
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No it covers the front of her body, and it cant take a lot of damage actually, her barrier is one of the weakest in the game and Genji can actually break it completely in five hits with his sword, Jaune would be able to do the same here. And when has Brigitte ever tried to play the range game and keep her opponent at a distance?
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Wait how does Brigette get past Aura? I seem to have missed the reasoning for that.
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You're looking at it in its normal form, in the game it can extend to cover her whole body, like in this picture https://www.gamecrate.com/file/overwatch-brigitte-guide-6jpg
Her shield has 600HP in the game. Genji with his ult, which boosts his AP really high, would finish her in 5. Which is enough time to shield bash him and attack the floppy cyborg. Brigitte is a direct counter to Genji
He normally hits at like 50 damage. Are Jaunes normal AP stirkes = to the Dragon Blade? Even if he broke it, it only needs 3 seconds to recharge. Thats hardly enough time for Jaune to finish it. plus her self healing.
Well, i suppose shes more of a mid range tank, but she has a long range weapon doesnt she, that can extend. If she had that, why wouldnt she usually attack from distance? but with her much superior range to Jaune as well as her strong defences, its safe to say that all she needs to do is keep smacking him around from safely behind her body shield
Her shield has 600HP in the game. Genji with his ult, which boosts his AP really high, would finish her in 5. Which is enough time to shield bash him and attack the floppy cyborg. Brigitte is a direct counter to Genji
He normally hits at like 50 damage. Are Jaunes normal AP stirkes = to the Dragon Blade? Even if he broke it, it only needs 3 seconds to recharge. Thats hardly enough time for Jaune to finish it. plus her self healing.
Well, i suppose shes more of a mid range tank, but she has a long range weapon doesnt she, that can extend. If she had that, why wouldnt she usually attack from distance? but with her much superior range to Jaune as well as her strong defences, its safe to say that all she needs to do is keep smacking him around from safely behind her body shield
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Yes i know how her shield looks, i play overwatch daily, what im saying is that not covering her whole body like Winston's bubble shield, its only protecting one direction. Plus when she's using it like that she's slowed down a lot and she cant use her mace to attack, she can only defend, and the barrier is only helpful against ranged attacks, not melee.
Dragon Blade doesnt amp his ap, its just him using a different weapon, and Brigitte and Genji actually canonically spar on a regular basis.
If her shield breaks it takes 3 seconds before it can be reused at its minimum health and another 5 seconds before its back to maximum health, if she tries to use it at its minumum health it can very easily be broken again with one attack and be put back on cooldown.
She has a weapon that can extend its range but its not in character for her to spam it and keep the opponent from getting close to her. She is also vulnerable when using Whip Shot as she cant bring up her shield when she's using it and she has to recoil it to be able to fire it again. If she goes on offense she cant use her defense and if she's being defensive she cant use her offense at the same time, its not as good as you think.
Dragon Blade doesnt amp his ap, its just him using a different weapon, and Brigitte and Genji actually canonically spar on a regular basis.
If her shield breaks it takes 3 seconds before it can be reused at its minimum health and another 5 seconds before its back to maximum health, if she tries to use it at its minumum health it can very easily be broken again with one attack and be put back on cooldown.
She has a weapon that can extend its range but its not in character for her to spam it and keep the opponent from getting close to her. She is also vulnerable when using Whip Shot as she cant bring up her shield when she's using it and she has to recoil it to be able to fire it again. If she goes on offense she cant use her defense and if she's being defensive she cant use her offense at the same time, its not as good as you think.
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One direction, her front? honestly the only place that matters in head to head. A good swordfighter would never attempt to stretch their arm around to try and attack from the side, that leaves them open. Jaune cant really omae wa mou shindeiru behind her either. And her shield bash, she can attack with the shield, especially when Jaune has nothing like range than can avoid the bash from close range.
It does amp his AP, His two dragons appear around him which is what amps him. Heck, if it was a different weapon, why does he just always use his dragon blade? Its him channeling the Dragon becoming him. and boy yes they do, Brigitte can keep up with fast+strong attackers. She's still a direct counter gameplay wise though
Again though, what says Jaunes normal AP is comparable to the dragonblade Genji? She can shieldbash and self heal, so its not like she can just stand there and let it happen b4 attacking,
Well, theres not much character on her fighting style we can say, we havent seen her fighting canonically, but she still does have the potential for long range. If theyre outmatched in close range, they try far range, only difference is, Brigitte can do that, while Jaune cant. Its fine, cause whip shot will only be used at a distance, she wouldnt leave herself open with a far range attack close range.
Well, when shes on the offense, with her decent mid range capabilities, she can easily keep Jaune away from her, while on the defensive, she can still shieldbash, stun him, and smack him away like she usually does in the game. Plus with better self healing, speed amp, and the fact Jaune has never kicked out or shown to be able to use and control his questionable versatility, I think Brigitte wins this now.
It does amp his AP, His two dragons appear around him which is what amps him. Heck, if it was a different weapon, why does he just always use his dragon blade? Its him channeling the Dragon becoming him. and boy yes they do, Brigitte can keep up with fast+strong attackers. She's still a direct counter gameplay wise though
Again though, what says Jaunes normal AP is comparable to the dragonblade Genji? She can shieldbash and self heal, so its not like she can just stand there and let it happen b4 attacking,
Well, theres not much character on her fighting style we can say, we havent seen her fighting canonically, but she still does have the potential for long range. If theyre outmatched in close range, they try far range, only difference is, Brigitte can do that, while Jaune cant. Its fine, cause whip shot will only be used at a distance, she wouldnt leave herself open with a far range attack close range.
Well, when shes on the offense, with her decent mid range capabilities, she can easily keep Jaune away from her, while on the defensive, she can still shieldbash, stun him, and smack him away like she usually does in the game. Plus with better self healing, speed amp, and the fact Jaune has never kicked out or shown to be able to use and control his questionable versatility, I think Brigitte wins this now.
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