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As some of you may understand I have been advocating with Ultima after this tiering system revision was being applied that DeMatteis's story isn't very congruent with the main Cosmology. While authors like Hickman, Ewing, and many others seem to at least follow a certain contunity with their storytelling by incorporating the works of others, that can't really be said for DeMatteis. J.M. DeMatteis usually always writes his story specific to his belief and on story that focuses on “Creation” does it really show.
Thus, this thread is intended to split J.M. DeMatteis's work from the main Marvel continuity and @Ultima_Reality will be in charge of overseeing the change in the main system rating for Marvel after this change.
J.M. DeMatteis heavily focuses on elements that he knows from his journey in life. This is a big example of his “God” character as a being that is not meant to be tied to just the comics, but a holistic fountainhead that is not tethered to just one religion though it's heavily Hindu-based. Now, J.M. DeMatteis writing is very flowery and hard to understand especially when he was experimenting more with the Cosmology. This means some interpretation can be put for these scans.
As powerful as Oblivion is and as paradoxical as he may be. He does have one superior and that superior has his weakness: Love. His superior is the being that not only radiates Love but is it. (Iceman Vol.1 #4)
Tiering: God is 0, as he is the Oneness that underlines all duality, beyond Creation and Void, contains existence and non-existence. Everything is nothing but a dream to God in all levels and he transcends the entire hierarchy into insignificance.
Thus, this thread is intended to split J.M. DeMatteis's work from the main Marvel continuity and @Ultima_Reality will be in charge of overseeing the change in the main system rating for Marvel after this change.
J.M. DeMatteis heavily focuses on elements that he knows from his journey in life. This is a big example of his “God” character as a being that is not meant to be tied to just the comics, but a holistic fountainhead that is not tethered to just one religion though it's heavily Hindu-based. Now, J.M. DeMatteis writing is very flowery and hard to understand especially when he was experimenting more with the Cosmology. This means some interpretation can be put for these scans.
Worlds(Parallel Universes/Dimensions):
In the Cosmology, Creation is split into levels or layers on different planes of existence. The most obvious one is the material plane/world in which Zenn-La is a prime example of a primary level of reality, a materialistic world that is an illusion to the higher realms. (Silver Surfer Vol.3 #140)- There are infinity of universes across the Macrocosmos(another word for the whole of the Multiverse). (Silver Surfer Vol.3 #142)
- The smallest aspect of Reality is the opposite of the Macrocosmos is called the Microcosmos/Sub-Atomica though intra-Universal continuum can access the Equiverse. (Silver Surfer Vol.3 #143)
- Beneath the physical plane of Reality is a plane of Quantum energy, a world connect to the Nexus and a focal point to many worlds. (Silver Surfer Vol.3 #141)
- Each dreamed folded upon another dream, each world as just thoughts in a larger thought, and each containing smaller thought repeating ad infinitum. (Silver Surfer Vol.3 #140)
- Each Dream is just a dream of another and that each Reality has more skin than a snake, a new skin becomes a new dream, that becomes another illusion pushing down layers and layers of Dream a the lineage of men digs deeper in the illusion and all infinite dreams contained within the Creator’s dream. (Man-Thing Vol.3 #7)
- Each Reality described as a holograms and the number of realities as infinite holograms folded with another on different level of consciousness. (Silver Surfer Vol.3 #141)
Higher Realms(Subtle and Mental):
These realms are higher aspect of Reality and just like the previous mirror layers within the dream. As everything is a dream within a larger dream counting up as there are spiritual path. (Silver Surfer Vol.3 #135)- In this level of Reality beyond the mortal plane of Existence(Gross) you’re in realms of entire thoughts where matter is rather energy and the mind can compose of many powerful feats. (Silver Surfer Vol.3 #137)
- On a subtle level layers of the Implicate Theory all time and moments simultaneously exist across the Quantum layers of Reality. (Silver Surfer Vol.3 #139)
- Astral Planes that can convey journeys across the Nexus. To places of pure mind and some even to spiritual existence where all Souls turn to the sublime Oneness that underlines duality. Entire Heaven and more where Souls are our energy only looking to God and as many Heavens as there are spiritual paths.
- Chtohn realm exists as a place beyond place and in time beyond time. Where he is understood as the underbelly of Creation and concepts alike merely starch the surface of this immense being. (Doctor Strange: Sorcerer Supreme Vol.1 #90)
- That even in these realms would you find worlds in grains of sand, skins of layers of dreams unfolding endlessly, with infinity at the palm of your hand, and heaven in a flower bloom(reference to Auguries of Innocence by William Blake). (Marc Spector: Moon Knight Vol.1 #33)
Nexus of Reality:
The interconnect point of Creation also known as the OM point. Which links all worlds, universes, and dimensions existing on every level of Creation. Its destruction would also be catastrophic since that destruction will lead into all of the layers of Creation to collapse. (Spider-Man Annual 1999)- The Flordia Marshlands in the key of the Nexus as the guardian: Man-Thing guards it. The place exists between now and then, past and future, existence and non-existence. This is because Man-Thing was originally and consciously Ted Sallis until in possession of the first man in the lineage of men: Adam K’ad-Mon whom is the Father of the Dreamer as oppose to the Mother: Cleito(He was born from her loins as they are intertwined as oversee the Dream) and later Ellen Sallis. Adam is the ancient father of the Fallen Star and is the sole guardian of the truth he shared in union with Ellen as a union beyond conception. Even having a powerful child name Job Burke whose could reshape the Nexus and possibly the entire Dream. (Man-Thing Vol.3 #4)
- It’s figuratively described as the Soul of Creation itself. That if the Scrier or his minion gets control of it then all the dreams of the Dream of Creation and all its levels would be controlled by the user become Omnipresent and all powerful. The powerful pull and collapse of the Nexus could undo everything in Existence and fall back into Oblivion cosmic sea of nothing. (Spider-Man Annual 1999)
- The shattered Nexus threaten all levels of existence and all the worlds connected to it. Even a piece of it gleamed so bright it created a shrinking city that seemed like Heaven and could eternally be supported by just a fragment. (Strange Tales Vol.4 #1)
- The Nexus is also described as a doorway with each door opening into a myriad of potential possibilities. (Daydreamers Vol.1 #2)
The Illusion/Dream/Creation(Eternity, Maya, Cleito):
All of Creation or the whole of Reality is nothing more than an illusion dreamed by the Creator, hirself. That all levels of Reality is a progression to realize that the Dream and the Dreamer are one and the same with God, in our own essence is that we are God. Creation takes form depending on the specific story, but they’re all “Illusions.” (Silver Surfer Vol.3 #139)- Maya: Maya is the Queen of Illusions and the embodiment of the Illusion itself. She's toys and prances with people to be live in her illusive tricks to preserve her existence. She's afraid of the Golden Age that the Lords of Shamballa are trying to let other ascends to as all will fall into Oblivion for that to happen. She will play tricks to deceive anyone and is the female Cosmos embodiment of deceitfulness. (Marvel Graphic Novel: Doctor Strange: into ShambalIa #26)
- Eternity: Eternity is a male embodiment of the Cosmos itself. He's described as the total encompassing body of Creation itself seeing all his inner workings as just pieces of his thought. When Dormmamu managed to beat him and usurp his position, he became pretty much Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. Becoming the very conscious Cosmoa itself and all his vast level of Reality. (Defenders Vol.3 #2)
- Cleito: The Atlantian Queen of Neptune. Though her origin story and power are far greater. She is the great mother of the Dreamer and the wife of the first man: Adam K’ad-Mon. From her loins did the first man come as the originator of the song of Creation which is almost as old as the Book and the Staff. Her powers far exceed the other Fallen Stars and lure people into endless tales of illusions with her captivating beauty. She's known as the female aspect of God as opposed to Adam being the male representation. (Man-Thing Vol.3 #8)
- The Creator hirself after awakening itself to learn again of hirself decided to Dream of Creation as a dream after an endless slumber of its own unconscious(the Void/Oblivion). When it does it forms duality: Light and Darkness, Life and Death, Love and Hate, Male and Female, etc…The Creator hirself brought forth the staff of Creation and from that staff of Light did Creation take form and shape. When it did that formed the Fallen Stars embodying their divine thoughts in the drama play of Creation. The Book entails Creation since its beginningless beginning, the Staff being older and more powerful than the Fallen Stars, and Oneness birthing duality and dreaming of it. The Fallen Stars being thoughts and emotions embodied can see through the veils of illusion and are not subjected to Creational laws. (Man-Thing Vol.3 #2)
Oblivion(The Void/Sea of Nothing/God’s Unconscious):
Oblivion is the Void personified as the breath between life and death, death and rebirth, and all of the Creation cycle. He isn't lord of Darkness or Chaos, but non-being itself as the Void that preceded Creation and where all Creation will return and drown to when it is time for the Creator to sleep. He's true form is non-existence itself and gazing upon would erase anyone. The formless sea of nothing created an aspect of God that made infinity have a limit and formless to have form. (Iceman Vol.1 #3)- Oblivion represents total nothingness as he embodies the concept of non-existence where the Dream was made when God dreamed of it all. He’s beyond the Scrier, Galactus, Maya, and all those who haven't reached True Reality. Even the Scrier feared the total annihilation of everything that Oblivion represent. (Mighty Thor Annual #1)
- Oblivion is stated to be incapable of entering the Multiberse without causing catastrophe especially since to reach the Golden Age of humanity then the Universe would drown in fire, in the Mahapralaya into Oblivion. Even the Amasteu-Mimaboshi the Japanese god of chaos and evil during the Chaos War event is just a small glimpse of the infinity he is and even the Scrier, the Other, and Galactus war was said to be greater with Oblivion watching without worry or concern. (Iceman Vol.1 #4)
As powerful as Oblivion is and as paradoxical as he may be. He does have one superior and that superior has his weakness: Love. His superior is the being that not only radiates Love but is it. (Iceman Vol.1 #4)
God(Divine Creator/The Dreamer):
God or the Creator is the Oneness behind all things in Creation and the cosmic emptiness from which Self is the consciousness of its true power. That all of Creation is nothing but a dream to the Creator and Oblivion is simply an aspect of god as is anything in Creation. He is the Dream and the Deamer, Plan and Planner, Trick, and Trickster, and is beyond all illusions as the sole being that truly exists and only him alone. That everyone is God just living in the Dream. (Marvel Graphic Novel: Doctor Strange: Into Shamballa #26)Tiering: God is 0, as he is the Oneness that underlines all duality, beyond Creation and Void, contains existence and non-existence. Everything is nothing but a dream to God in all levels and he transcends the entire hierarchy into insignificance.
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