Issues with scaling for the MHA verse

[CyborgSakumo]

When did deku become baseline 7-B. Because this line of reasoning is contradictory, either we get rid of the movies and scale Deku to AM.

Which would mean he would scale to the storm feat which isn't baseline so this argument wouldn't stand.

Or movie's are canon and then izuku is weaker than AM's power so this argument wouldn't work.

 

[Earthyboy]

Deku isn't as strong as AM that's been discussed.

When? That seems to be illogical. Deku's power has been comparable or stated to be equal to All Might's.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

Admitedly I don't really like the movie's depiction of this but in Two heroes it shows 100% Deku and Weakened AM as comparable to each other.

 

[Earthyboy]

Shigaraki stated it would've been over if he didn't focus on defense primarily. He definitely shouldn't fully scale. He should be Low 7-B or Low 7-B+ at least.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

Shigaraki stated it would've been over if he didn't focus on defense primarily. He definitely shouldn't fully scale. He should be Low 7-B or Low 7-B+ at least.

Yeah, because he was already priorly weakened in that fight, and even still the results still stand he was able to out endure him through his defense, not to mention getting a roasting from endeavor and still tussling with izuku after that, and then proceeding to outlast both of them and continue fighting for an extended period of time. Not to mention his regeneration was barely working in that fight as well, as things like his torso wound still didnt heal for several chapters after the fact, and after the burning his body was barely healing at all and the damage from that still has him out of comission as of 294 even though he should have regeneratd from it at this point.

Not to mention how inconsistent this scaling would be when characters like the Nomu were in the same situation and were knocked unconscious and we still scale him.

 

[Earthyboy]

Yeah, because he was already priorly weakened in that fight, and even still the results still stand he was able to out endure him through his defense, not to mention getting a roasting from endeavor and still tussling with izuku after that.

He was only able to endure because of his regeneration quirk. It's even stated that Deku would've lost to him thanks to regeneration.

 

[Earthyboy]

Either way, Shigaraki probably shouldn't be 7-B, and only Low 7-B+.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

Please go back through that fight his regeneration was clearly slowed before that fight even started his torso wound which I put in the OP still hadn't regenerated by the time the fight started and was still shown there for chapters after that.(Look in the imgur where I mentioned this.) Shigaraki and other characters with the regeneration quirk have regenerated in far quicker time and not to mention later in the fight after he gets roasted and his regeneration was basically crawled to a hault. he still took hits from a rage boosted Deku. The regeneration was basically a nonfactor.

 

[Earthyboy]

Please go back through that fight his regeneration was clearly slowed before that fight even started his torso wound which I put in the OP still hadn't regenerated by the time the fight started and was still shown there for chapters after that.(Look in the imgur where I mentioned this.) Shigaraki and other characters with the regeneration quirk have regenerated in far quicker time and not to mention later in the fight after he gets roasted and his regeneration was basically crawled to a hault. he still took hits from a rage boosted Deku. The regeneration was basically a nonfactor.

It's still stated that eventually, Deku would've lost to him thanks to endurance. On top of this, he's stated to be weaker than All Might who Deku is stated many times to be just as powerful as. (His weakened state of course.)

 

[Earthyboy]

Either way, it's pretty obvious that 100% is more powerful then Shigaraki, even if the gap is somewhat small.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

It's still stated that eventually, Deku would've lost to him thanks to endurance. On top of this, he's stated to be weaker than All Might who Deku is stated many times to be just as powerful as. (His weakened state of course.)

The doctor's statement was likely referring to prime AM so Shigaraki being ~= 100% Deku isn't a problem if Deku scales of of weakened AM.

 

[Therefir]

Shigaraki regenerated this much of his injury in the instant it took Deku to throw a punch, the regeneration is still very strong.

 

[Earthyboy]

The doctor's statement was likely referring to prime AM so Shigaraki being ~= 100% Deku isn't a problem if Deku scales of of weakened AM.

Can you prove that he was referring to Prime AM specifically?

 

[CyborgSakumo]

Shigaraki regenerated this much of his injury in the instant it took Deku to throw a punch, the regeneration is still clearly strong.

In that panel you showed we still see that some torso wound from before, not to mention I'm not even sure what injury your referring to in that panel.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

Can you prove that he was referring to Prime AM specifically?

I'll admit it I can't explicitly prove but by the same idea it can't be proven he was talking about weakened AM. The only case where this becomes an issue is if Deku scales to Prime Might and if that's the case it's irrelevant because they'd still be in the same tier.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

When did deku become baseline 7-B. Because this line of reasoning is contradictory, either we get rid of the movies and scale Deku to AM.

Which would mean he would scale to the storm feat which isn't baseline so this argument wouldn't stand.

Or movie's are canon and then izuku is weaker than AM's power so this argument wouldn't work.

Can someone please respond to this because it would make things easier going forward.

 

[Earthyboy]

I'll admit it I can't explicitly prove but by the same idea it can't be proven he was talking about weakened AM. The only case where this becomes an issue is if Deku scales to Prime Might and if that's the case it's irrelevant because they'd still be in the same tier.

It actually can be proven he was talking about weakened All Might. Endeavor compared his power and speed to the USJ Nomu actually. This combined with Ujiko's statement implies that Ujiko is referring to weakened Shigaraki.

 

[Earthyboy]

Can someone please respond to this because it would make things easier going forward.

He's 7-B because he shattered a barrier capable of withstanding a near 7-B attack.

 

[Earthyboy]

Honestly, Low 7-B+ Shigaraki would seem fine as long as it's mentioned that he doesn't fully scale to 100% Deku.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

It actually can be proven he was talking about weakened All Might. Endeavor compared his power and speed to the USJ Nomu actually. This combined with Ujiko's statement implies that Ujiko is referring to weakened Shigaraki.

Endeavor's statement has no relation to ujiko's statement there in two entirely different areas and regardless that point is mute because the USJ nomu took the beating from AM worse then Shigaraki did as he was capable of staying conscious and continue to keep fight. Shigaraki is clearly above the USJ nomu in durability here.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

IIRC He's 7-B via Upscaling

Small City level+ with 100% (Could break a barrier capable of resisting an attack of this magnitude)

City level with 100% (Stronger than his previous 100%)

 

[CyborgSakumo]

He's 7-B because he shattered a barrier capable of withstanding a near 7-B attack.

If that's the case why do we assume baseline 7-B he should just be at least low 7-B+ for upscaling that attack, on other profiles on this wiki that's consistenly how we do it. We don't know exactly how much stronger he is he could be High 6-C(I'm exaggerating) here.

Also didn't Damage says he's making get rid of the movie feats which would just have izuku scale of the storm feat.

 

[Earthyboy]

Endeavor's statement has no relation to ujiko's statement there in two entirely different areas and regardless that point is mute because the USJ nomu took the beating from AM worse then Shigaraki did as he was capable of staying conscious and continue to keep fight. Shigaraki is clearly above the USJ nomu in durability.

Okay? Endeavor still compared it to the USJ Nomu proving that he shouldn't be as strong as Prime All Might. You can combine this with Ujiko's statement because of the context of the story and basically infer that it's being told that Shigaraki is as strong as weakened All Might.

 

[Earthyboy]

If that's the case why do we assume baseline 7-B he should just be at least low 7-B+ for upscaling that attack.

The attack is already pretty far into Low 7-B+, and considering how Deku completely shattered it, it'd be valid to assume he's at least baseline 7-B.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Izuku is Baseline 7-B, via the reasoning he became stronger.

Izuku is upscaling from Bakugo's 5.48 Megaton Feat. Which is only 1.2x away from 6.3 Megatons which is baseline 7-B.

 

[Therefir]

In that panel you showed we still see that some torso wound from before, not to mention I'm not even sure what injury your referring to in that panel.

The injuries on his back were as big as the ones on his torso, and after the 100% punch, they got two times smaller.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

The injuries on his back were as big as the ones on his torso, and after the 100% punch, they got two times smaller.

That could literally just be drawing inconsistency which happens a lot. The fact we still see his wound shows me his regeneration is slower.

 

[Earthyboy]

That could literally just be drawing inconsistency which happens a lot. The fact we still see his wound shows me his regeneration is slower.

His regeneration is slower, but it's not slow enough to the point that he'll lose the fight. It's still stated that he would've won the endurance match by Bakugo.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

His regeneration is slower, but it's not slow enough to the point that he'll lose the fight. It's still stated that he would've won the endurance match by Bakugo.

Yeah but its slow enough that its taking him several minutes to regenerate a previous wound while he's still getting more wounds, its slow enough that it's a nonfactor. Bakugou's knowledge of how fast his current regeneration is isn't reliable as Tomura himself said the damage he's getting is faster than his regeneration.

 

[Earthyboy]

Yeah but its slow enough that its taking him several minutes to regenerate a previous wound while he's still getting more wounds, its slow enough that it's a nonfactor. Bakugou's knowledge of how fast his current regeneration is isn't reliable as Tomura himself said the damage he's getting is faster than his regeneration.

Even then, he still wouldn't fully scale to 100% thanks to Ujiko's and Endeavor's statement. At best he'd be somewhat comparable.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

Even then, he still wouldn't fully scale to 100% thanks to Ujiko's and Endeavor's statement. At best he'd be somewhat comparable.

Endeavor's statement has no relation to ujiko's statement there in two entirely different areas and regardless that point is mute because the USJ nomu took the beating from AM worse then Shigaraki did as he was capable of staying conscious and continue to keep fight. Shigaraki is clearly above the USJ nomu in durability here.

 

[Earthyboy]

I've already explained why Endeavor's and Ujiko's statement imply that Shigaraki is at least comparable to the USJ Nomu via context.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

Izuku is Baseline 7-B, via the reasoning he became stronger.

Izuku is upscaling from Bakugo's 5.48 Megaton Feat. Which is only 1.2x away from 6.3 Megatons which is baseline 7-B.

By this logic he could be 1.3x or 1.4x etc.. and this argument wouldn't have legs to stand on.Regardless of your thoughts on the exact nature of it it's undeniable that Tomura and 100% Deku are at least in the same tier of strength. Your idea Izuku's 100% is 7-B comes from the fact that your assuming Izuku's at least low 7-B+ so your making the assumption

he's at least 1.2x stronger but your saying if Tomura's even slightly weaker he must be downgraded.

The inexact nature of this scaling makes it so this argument lack legs to stand on.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

I've already explained why Endeavor's and Ujiko's statement imply that Shigaraki is at least comparable to the USJ Nomu via context.

Yeah but that statement is proven wrong by the fact by the fact Shigaraki is proven to be stronger than the USJ nomu was as if Garaki was referring to Weakened Might tomura should have been knocked unconscious like the USJ nomu was.

(Actually going back and checking Endeavor said he was comparable to AM it was eraserhead who brought up the nomu who is an unreliable source here considering the massive strength differential)

 

[Earthyboy]

Yeah but that statement is proven wrong by the fact by the fact Shigaraki is proven to be stronger than the USJ nomu was as if Garaki was referring to Weakened Might tomura should have been knocked unconscious like the USJ nomu was.

When was that proven? Show evidence.

 

[Therefir]

Izuku's attacks were ripping pieces out of Shigaraki's body, that should be impossible if Shigaraki was as strong as Deku.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

regardless that point is mute because the USJ nomu took the beating from AM worse then Shigaraki did as he was capable of staying conscious and continue to keep fight. Shigaraki is clearly above the USJ nomu in durability here.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

Izuku's attacks were ripping pieces out of Shigaraki's body, that should be impossible if Shigaraki was as strong as Deku.

A- Shigaraki was weakened, which he made multiple mentions of.

B- In the first panel you showed Deku hadn't even attacked yet, and blood was spurting out.

C- If you punch an open wound blood spurts out. That's not a hard concept..

 

[Therefir]

Weakened? The only thing he had was an injury on his chest, stop using this headcanon argument.

... That's precisely the point, to compare the amount on injuries before and after Deku's beating.

What? That doesn't explain how Shigaraki got massive injuries that didn't even existed before the fight started.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

That's not head cannon Shigaraki directly states this "If only those scummy heroes didn't push me to my limits".

Shigaraki took damage from a bloodlusted adrenaline filled barrage of attacks no duh, doesn't mean they were ripping flesh just means they caused wounds like you'd expect between two comparable fighters.