Is principle manipulation even stronger then conceptual manipulation?

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

"However, concepts should be... general... to use a vague term. Concepts, in our usage of them, are to laws of nature, what laws of nature are to matter. They are the cause of the laws, in a certain sense, and dictate how they work. Or perhaps it would be better to say they are the cause of the properties of the objects which dictate, based on the laws, how things work."DontTalk (DT)


"Changing the property of a flame to make it cold mean you change the property "being hot" into the property "being cold". Meanwhile, concept manip would take the property "being hot" and let the flame remain hot. Instead, it would make it so that things that are hot behave like being cold.
If inverting gravity is gravity manipulation, but changing the nature of gravity is law manipultion, then inverting a property should be property manipulation, but changing the nature of the property itself would be concept manipulation. That might be a good way to put it."

Also DontTalk (TD)
So this is concept manipulation. But according to superpower wiki
User can manipulate principles, the complete and fundamental underlying nature behind everything. Since principles are the basis and foundation for every concept that exists or doesn't exist, this allows the user to control, create, decide, destroy or manipulate virtually anything and everything.

This grants the user a power above and beyond the scope of Concept Manipulation or even Meta-Concept Manipulation, because if there are no principles, there can be no concepts.

Principle Manipulation

The power to manipulate principles. Sub-power of Omnipotence and Conceptual Lordship. Not to be confused with Axiom Manipulation. Basis Control/Manipulation Principle Control User can manipulate principles, the complete and fundamental underlying nature behind everything. Since principles are...

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so is principle manipulation superior to even conceptual manipulation?

 

[Sniper670]

Essence Manipulation is what you're talking about and what DT was explaining.

The wiki decided its either CM or info type 2 so it just depends on how the cosmology explains it

 

[Vietthai96]

What stronger or weaker depend on feats and contexts, principle manipulation is just another kind of conceptual manipulation in a sense, so you can't exactly say it is stronger by default