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Is overcoming a Time Stop through speed a quantifiable speed feat?
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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It's time stop resistance.
ShakeResounding
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I've heard that it sometimes depends on the context from a few staff on more than one occasion, like how it's treated in-verse apparently
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How is it time resistance if it’s just through pure speed? Resistance are abilities, not stats like speed.
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Yeah i agree. It should be consider a feat.
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If it's purely and explicitly speed, then it's Infinite
Rikimarox2
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Depends on case-by-case I guess.
Although, I do recall it being quantifiable for infinite speed back then. Not sure if the standards changed or not. Although IMHO if it was done by speed alone, then that seems infinite speed to me.
Although, I do recall it being quantifiable for infinite speed back then. Not sure if the standards changed or not. Although IMHO if it was done by speed alone, then that seems infinite speed to me.
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I heard that this kind of speed feat used to be infinite speed but is now just considered a resistance.
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No it ain’t Yuri, we agreed it can be a speed feat if treated that way.
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Yes it's inaccessible speed, infinite on this wiki
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Infinite speed cannot be given to characters who can move within stopped time, as infinite speed characters still need time to pull stuff off; everything just happens within infinitesimal time. Infinite speed characters will be perceived as completely stopped by immeasurable speed characters, but immeasurable is a rating given to those who's movements are beyond linear time. So, moving in stopped time isn't infinite speed, because not even infinite speed characters can move within it. Neither is it immeasurable speed, because said characters are still bound by time. So, it would be inaccessible speed, or something like that
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Infinity*zero=undefined
Therefore, it can not be concluded that moving while the time factor is zero is infinite speed.
When math becomes undefined, it is almost always because hax or resistance to hax is involved, and so we assume resistance to time-stop.
Therefore, it can not be concluded that moving while the time factor is zero is infinite speed.
When math becomes undefined, it is almost always because hax or resistance to hax is involved, and so we assume resistance to time-stop.
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I'm not sure if resisting time stop through sheer speed is calculatable.
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Not at all quantifiable, since I'm pretty sure both fully stopping and moving within stopped time are utterly impossible (at least for any character with mass) within our understanding of physics. It can however be judged by qualities. In that regard, it would be Infinite speed, since a basic qualifier for such a rating is the ability to move in a T = 0 context, such as moving some amount of distance in a timeframe that is precisely 0 seconds, 0 milliseconds, etc. etc. down to the attosecond, Planck time, what have you, moving in a timeless void (and not having it labelled an outlier, plot convenience, etc.), or, in this case, moving in stopped time without use of hax resistances
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No.
Speed is distance over time. Anything over zero is undefined, NOT infinity.
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If you move so fast that time doesn't even pass, that's infinite speed at least
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It would be a immunity (outside of bypassing), so they would need to be totally unaffcted by it, moving around normally like a walk on the beach.
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Do you have a link ? Last time I saw standard get changed, Time Stop didn't count as speed feat.
Except if ofc there's a huge precision like "if you go FTL you bypass it", but that's exceptionnal stuff.
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If there's no time-resistance shenanigans and it really is through just speed, and it's actually a move that stops time, it would be infinite via moving in 0 time.
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S=D/T
So, T=D/S, Any number divided by infinity = 0, so if speed is infinite then time is zero.
However in the other direction, any number divided by zero is undefined, so if time is zero then speed is undefined.
If you have infinite speed, you are correct that time might not pass while you move, however it cannot be proven the other way around.
The only way to mathematically prove infinite speed is with infinite distance, not zero time.
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Infinite speed is literally gained through infinite distance divided by infinitesimal time, meaning the time still has to be there for Infinite Speed characters to even move at all
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Or an instantaneous action, no? An action that happens in 0 time would could as infinite.
"Infinite Speed (Able to travel anywhere instantly, or move an infinite distance within a finite amount of time. Teleportation does not count. For further information, see notes 4, 5 and 7 below.)".
Movement in 0 time via speed is infinite speed
"Infinite Speed (Able to travel anywhere instantly, or move an infinite distance within a finite amount of time. Teleportation does not count. For further information, see notes 4, 5 and 7 below.)".
Movement in 0 time via speed is infinite speed
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You know what infinitesimal is right? It's the closest value to 0, but not actually 0. Infinite is this idea of endlessness. Infinite speed being given due to moving in absolutely 0 time would go against what infinity is in the first place
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I don't see why that's relevant? It's not a "time stop" if there's still even a miniscule portion of time, It's just an extreme time slow. I'm referring to specifically a "time stop".
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Officially stated on the page "Speed" of the VS Battle wiki: "Note 4:
Timeless Voids, i.e. areas within a setting that lack time or exist outside of the flow of time, cannot be used to grant Infinite speed. One might be tempted to apply Speed = Distance/Time and say that time equals 0 in this situation, thus moving through this type of void should result in Infinite speed. However, in a Timeless Void, time does not exist, making Time = Not Applicable.
So in short, Time = Nonexistent or Not Applicable and Distance/Time = Undefined and cannot be determined under these conditions."
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That's a timeless void, not a time stop.
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Time stop acts as a way to take away time. Time acting as if it's not even there in the first place
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It is the same principle. When time does not flow, it functionally does not exist.
In this instance, speed is undefined, which is not the same as infinite.
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...it's 0 time, though. If it stops time, then the time = 0.
It doesn't matter if it "functions the same", time just not existing and time "functionally not existing" are not the same thing.
It doesn't matter if it "functions the same", time just not existing and time "functionally not existing" are not the same thing.
It's an instantaneous movement, which qualifies for infinite in our standards.
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Also stated per the "Speed" page of VS Battles Wiki: "Note 5:
Time Stop does not grant a user infinite speed"
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"a user" I'm not talking about the user. I'm talking about someone who's affected by the time stop. Please, do not misconstrue my argument.
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Even infinite speed characters who are affected by time stop can't move at all. Infinite speed characters are still bound by time, and thus will still need time to pull anything off
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Let's entertain your argument, and say their speed is infinite.
How then could they move at all?
Distance is speed times time.
If speed is infinite, and time is zero, then ∞*0 = undefined.
Do you see where the problem lays in your assumption?
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Because thats inaccessible speed actually. Just not on this wiki
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An instantaneous movement literally qualifies on the speed page. If you disagree with movement in 0 time which would be instantaneous being infinite, you can revise Speed.
^ Is not a 100% confirmed fact
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