Is overcoming a Time Stop through speed a quantifiable speed feat?

[FinePoint]

An instantaneous movement literally qualifies on the speed page. If you disagree with movement in 0 time which would be instantaneous being infinite, you can revise Speed.


^ Is not a 100% confirmed fact

You're not talking about a typical instantaneous movement, moving a set distance in zero time.
You're talking about moving a set distance while time does not flow at all.
I've given you literal mathematical proof that this does not prove infinite speed, and the speed page already specifically mentions a scenario where time does not exist.

I've also proven that even if you DID have infinite speed, you still wouldn't be able to move while time is not flowing. Ultimately, this scenario CANNOT be explained with math, which is why it falls under HAX, in particular Resistance to Time Manipulation.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

An instantaneous movement literally qualifies on the speed page. If you disagree with movement in 0 time which would be instantaneous being infinite, you can revise Speed.


^ Is not a 100% confirmed fact

Again, it says on the Speed page: "Note 4:

Timeless Voids, i.e. areas within a setting that lack time or exist outside of the flow of time, cannot be used to grant Infinite speed. One might be tempted to apply Speed = Distance/Time and say that time equals 0 in this situation, thus moving through this type of void should result in Infinite speed. However, in a Timeless Void, time does not exist, making Time = Not Applicable.

So in short, Time = Nonexistent or Not Applicable and Distance/Time = Undefined and cannot be determined under these conditions."

Time Stopped areas act as a way to make time act as if it's non-existent

 

[Axxtentacle]

You're not talking about a typical instantaneous movement, moving a set distance in zero time.

A time stop would be 0 time, so yes I am.

You're talking about moving a set distance while time does not flow at all.

Aka, 0 time.

I've given you literal mathematical proof that this does not prove infinite speed, and the speed page already specifically mentions a scenario where time does not exist.

Time does exist though, it's just 0.

I've also proven that even if you DID have infinite speed, you still wouldn't be able to move while time is not flowing. Ultimately, this scenario CANNOT be explained with math, which is why it falls under HAX, in particular Resistance to Time Manipulation.

You haven't proven that though.

Time Stopped areas act as a way to make time act as if it's non-existent

By stopping time, it still exists, it's just 0

 

[BluudyManikin777]

A time stop would be 0 time, so yes I am.

Aka, 0 time.

Time does exist though, it's just 0.

You haven't proven that though.


By stopping time, it still exists, it's just 0

Okay, do the math, how does any distance divided by 0 infinity?

 

[Axxtentacle]

It isn't, it's still in 0 time though, aka instantaneous. Which qualifies based on the standards.

 

[FinePoint]

You haven't proven that though.

If speed is infinite, and time is zero, then ∞*0 = undefined.

 

[Axxtentacle]

It's still instant. That's not a counter to the action itself being instantaneous.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

It isn't, it's still in 0 time though, aka instantaneous. Which qualifies based on the standards.

Instantaneous is still a really small amount of time. There's this thing called the Planck instant. It has the word instant, so it must mean 0 time right?

 

[FinePoint]

It's still instant. That's not a counter to the action itself being instantaneous.

It's a counter to the fact that they are able to move a finite distance.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

@YuriAkuto

 

[Axxtentacle]

So, you're not taking "instant" it at face value? Why not? If it was infinitesimal, it would say so. But it doesn't say that.

It's a counter to the fact that they are able to move a finite distance.

Now you've lost me a bit. Why exactly does this matter? Any action within 0 time would be instant and therefore qualify for infinite speed via our standards.

 

[Cloozuma]

Note 5 in the speed page.

The end.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

It's still instant. That's not a counter to the action itself being instantaneous.

YuriAkuto is an official knowledgeable member on speed, as said on the "Knowledgeable Members List (Wiki Terminology)" he was the first one to reply to this thread and said, "just resistance"

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Instantaneous is still a really small amount of time. There's this thing called the Planck instant. It has the word instant, so it must mean 0 time right?

Did you meant Plank Time? That is the shortest time that can be potentially measurable in the real world, since any less time means even light isn't able to travel the distance of a plank length, which currently breaks physics

0 time isn't plank time, but I do agred that Instantly > 0 speed.
This is why Passive hax > thought based haxes

 

[Axxtentacle]

Note 5 in the speed page.

The end.

Already brought up and addressed

 

[Axxtentacle]

YuriAkuto is an official knowledgeable member on speed, as said on the "Knowledgeable Members List (Wiki Terminology)" he was the first one to reply to this thread and said, "just resistance"

Appealing to authority? Cool. Good to know that's where you're going with that.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Appealing to authority? Cool. Good to know that's where you're going with that.

A knowledgeable member on speed said it, so it's true. They wouldn't be considered knowledgeable by the wiki, if they didn't actually know what they were talking about

 

[Axxtentacle]

Appeal to authority fallacy, my friend.

 

[QuasiYuri]

YuriAkuto is an official knowledgeable member on speed, as said on the "Knowledgeable Members List (Wiki Terminology)" he was the first one to reply to this thread and said, "just resistance"

While true, my words alone don't have to be taken as absolute or anything like that.
Otherwise Immeasurable speed would be a mere memory as of now.

Although Time Stop giving speed was already discussed countless times, and that was the answer we reached iirc.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Honestly, if it was discussed, what i'm talking about should have a note on the page or something along those lines.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Honestly, if it was discussed, what i'm talking about should have a note on the page or something along those lines.

A note for that is already there, note 4. It's common sense that a time stopped area is the same as a timeless void, the wiki doesn't have to hold your hand for you to get simple stuff like that

 

[Axxtentacle]

But it's not a timeless void. It's 0 time.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

But it's not a timeless void. It's 0 time.

That's like saying "this is not a floor, it's a platform"

 

[QuasiYuri]

It works under the same idea of time not flowing tho.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Except a platform has no fundamental difference.

In one instance, time literally does not exist. In another instance, time does exist.

Moving where time does not exist is unquantifiable. Moving within 0 time is instant.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Except a platform has no fundamental difference.

In one instance, time literally does not exist. In another instance, time does exist.

Moving where time does not exist is unquantifiable. Moving within 0 time is instant.

Time existing and not doing anything is the same as it not being there at all, like it's literally doing nothing

 

[Axxtentacle]

No it isn't. One is 0 time, which would mean any action during such is instantaneous.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

No it isn't. One is 0 time, which would mean any action during such is instantaneous.

You're acting like time is doing anything, when it's literally doing nothing. Time is stopped, what affect will it have now?

 

[Axxtentacle]

...none, because it's zero time, but is still there

 

[BluudyManikin777]

...none, because it's zero time, but is still there

Exactly, none. Literally no effect at all

 

[Axxtentacle]

Yet, it's still there. 0 time passes, therefore, the actions within such are instant.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

Yet, it's still there. 0 time passes, therefore, the actions within such are instant.

Time not moving = timeless void

 

[Axxtentacle]

...no? Timeless void doesn't even have time. That's the fundamental difference. Time can not equal 0, but when time isn't flowing temporarily yet still exists, time = 0.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

...no? Timeless void doesn't even have time. That's the fundamental difference. Time can not equal 0, but when time isn't flowing temporarily yet still exists, time = 0.

0 is literally the idea that nothing is there

 

[Axxtentacle]

But time is there. Just idle. In a timeless void it just doesn't exist, therefore time can not be idle.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

But time is there. Just idle. In a timeless void it just doesn't exist, therefore time can not be idle.

With this logic, not moving at all = moving

 

[Cloozuma]

I might answer for a bit. If it's really pure speed and he overcame a time stop, then that quantifies as immeasurable (though this is very rare). If the speed is lesser then that's just resistance, innit? Just asking.

 

[BluudyManikin777]

I might answer for a bit. If it's really pure speed and he overcame a time stop, then that quantifies as immeasurable (though this is very rare). If the speed is lesser then that's just resistance, innit? Just asking.

There's Vegeta who has resistance to Mind Manipulation, who resisted such an ability via sheer willpower, and doesn't have Supernatural Willpower

 

[Cloozuma]

There's Vegeta who has resistance to Mind Manipulation, who resisted such an ability via sheer willpower, and doesn't have Supernatural Willpower

That's Dragon Ball, where pure ******* AP let's you resist shit

 

[BluudyManikin777]

That's Dragon Ball, where pure ******* AP let's you resist shit

Son Gokū is more powerful than Vegeta and he doesn't have mind manipulation resistance. The mind manipulation thing wasn't a case of AP, but rather willpower