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I believe the high end for his High 6-A feat, pulverization IIRC
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Invincible Downgrade
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Qawesdf is arguing that Tech Jacket is too far below Viltrumites normally (such as Anissa reducing his armour to 90% with a squeeze) for scaling purposes, and that feats of him harming Viltrumites either means they're not High 6-A (Mark's alternate selves and weaker Viltrumites), or it's PIS.
I'm arguing that, while he's well below Viltrumites, the ones he consistently fought are High 6-A based on the relative power of Mark at the time. So he's still outmatched by the elites (Anissa in particular could overpower a Mark that was on par with Omni-Man at the time), but isn't consistently far enough below them to not scale at all. I think at most High 6-A is appropriate.
I'm arguing that, while he's well below Viltrumites, the ones he consistently fought are High 6-A based on the relative power of Mark at the time. So he's still outmatched by the elites (Anissa in particular could overpower a Mark that was on par with Omni-Man at the time), but isn't consistently far enough below them to not scale at all. I think at most High 6-A is appropriate.
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I think that it seems uncertain to downscale from characters that clearly overpower him, as massively less powerful characters recurrently survive blows that they shouldn't remotely be able to for the sake of making the plot work, both here and more prominently in superhero stories as a whole.
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That's the thing, though, I don't really see any anti-feats here. There's the nuke thing, but that was a fictional super weapon. And Anissa is noticeably stronger than Mark and Nolan, even overpowering the latter and Thadeus pretty casually in one instance.
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Mark has 6-A even in the old system for this comic. It's just that the scaling was "They're at least as strong as BoS Mark so they're at least High 6-C"
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I think the "At least ..., at most ..." part is the only thing that needs to be added. I think.
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But I'd like to add a little bit more scaling to justify where Robot stands, at least his Titanium-Volcanic Armor.
It mainly comes from Rampage.
-After training a bit for a few months after the fight with his dad, Mark does beat him but he says Rampage probably would've defeated him had he not trained, so Rampage is likely stronger than BoS Invincible. Even with all that training, Mark still has to put some effort and even breaks the skin over his knuckles punching him, so Rampage is no joke.
-Kid Omni-Man is unable to do anything against Rampage, but Blue Suit Mark easily beats him (unless the fight continued off-screen).
-It takes three of Robot's T-V armors to bring down Rampage. So following this line of scaling, three of these armors are stronger than BoS Invincible.
It mainly comes from Rampage.
-After training a bit for a few months after the fight with his dad, Mark does beat him but he says Rampage probably would've defeated him had he not trained, so Rampage is likely stronger than BoS Invincible. Even with all that training, Mark still has to put some effort and even breaks the skin over his knuckles punching him, so Rampage is no joke.
-Kid Omni-Man is unable to do anything against Rampage, but Blue Suit Mark easily beats him (unless the fight continued off-screen).
-It takes three of Robot's T-V armors to bring down Rampage. So following this line of scaling, three of these armors are stronger than BoS Invincible.
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Makes sense. Given how much damage there was in Mark's fight, I'd say he took way longer and one alone should be stronger than BOS Invincible (that's if this really even is BOS).
It's worth noting that feat was around the time Mark met Oliver, and kind of started to have even the tiniest impact on fodder Viltrumites.
It's worth noting that feat was around the time Mark met Oliver, and kind of started to have even the tiniest impact on fodder Viltrumites.
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It's BoS Invincible as of Issue #35. As you say, Mark had fought some lesser Viltrumites and little else. How much he improved is hard to say, but enough to defeat someone who could've beaten the Mark who was getting his derrière kicked by those Viltrumites (which I guess would make Rampage also Large Island level if not a little stronger).
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I just realized when I was editing the pages I accidentally gave the High 6-C characters just Large Island level instead of Large Island level+, I'm going to fix that right now.
And I fixed it. My bad for not doing so originally.
And I fixed it. My bad for not doing so originally.
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I’m sorry, I already asked it before, but when Omni Man flew from earth, wasn’t it made pretty clear he flew on his own, with no space warps?
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I mean, Omni Man clearly stated he just flew until he found the planet
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Also, he had no idea where to go, so it would be illogical for him to use space warps here
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How it was described was that in outer space their sub-light propulsion moves them FTL distances. They don't enter hyperspace or anything.
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Huh, this doesn’t scale to combat speed, right?
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With how they fly, no. Though a later CRT pr something may change them back to MFTL+.
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Did anyone reach an agreement with the Tech Jacket thing or did you just agree to disagree or something? Or is that still going?
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We'll give him and the Emperor a likely higher rating.
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Got it. Should this be added now?
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Yeah.
Though Null also needs it thinking about it.
Though Null also needs it thinking about it.
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So would the likely higher apply to both their keys or just one? I'm just going to assume both keys considering the second is directly affected by the first.
I've changed the pages to have the "likely higher"
I've changed the pages to have the "likely higher"
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Are there any calcs on the verse page that might a bit iffy to some? Just in case there's anything that needs a quick fix in those (like the Omega Tech Jacket one)
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Not that I can tell but I'm not really in a position nor am I knowledgeable enough to say if they are wrong or not
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Both. Since they're possibly scaling to a High 6-A, which is beyond both of their confirmed tiers.
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Well I already put the likely higher on them. Should I add some extra reasoning to Tech Jacket like him (barely) surviving his fight with Anissa?
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It would just be for AP it would be drawing blood from an Adult Viltrumite and for durability it would be not instantly dying to Anissa and the cyborg eye guy.
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I think that's everything unless I'm missing something.
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