Insomniac Spider-Sense CRT

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Okay, so our current explanations for the Spider-Men and eventually to be created Venom's Precognition are really bad and barely even touch on what the Spider-Sense can do. Here's the Spider-Sense actively differentiating between different types of attacks. In Spider-Man 2 they introduced new attack mechanics that either can't be dodged and have to be parried or vice versa with the Blue Signature specifically being named as Crush Attacks since they can't be blocked or parried and require dodging.

 

[Golden_Void]

Just add the details to his notable techniques section. It would only make sense in-verse, as there's no metrics for what qualifies as a blue or yellow warning. White and red is either you have time to dodge or you're too late.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Just add the details to his notable techniques section. It would only make sense in-verse, as there's no metrics for what qualifies as a blue or yellow warning. White and red is either you have time to dodge or you're too late.

I mean yeah, but anything would be better than "Precognition: Has Spider-Sense" on the profiles.

 

[Golden_Void]

I mean yeah, but anything would be better than "Precognition: Has Spider-Sense" on the profiles.

What's there now is fine as it tells us what justifies having the ability. The notable techniques section is where you can expand on what that ability is. It doesn't even exist in that section currently.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Okay, so our current explanations for the Spider-Men and eventually to be created Venom's Precognition are really bad and barely even touch on what the Spider-Sense can do. Here's the Spider-Sense actively differentiating between different types of attacks. In Spider-Man 2 they introduced new attack mechanics that either can't be dodged and have to be parried or vice versa with the Blue Signature specifically being named as Crush Attacks since they can't be blocked or parried and require dodging.

So do you have a proposal for a revised justification?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

So do you have a proposal for a revised justification?

Essentially I just want his Precog description to be fleshed out more than it is with something like "His Spider-Sense can not only warn him of incoming attacks before they occur but it is also capable of differentiating between attacks that need to be blocked or dodged when the other option wouldn't work". I can clean up that idea more thoroughly later since I just got up a bit ago.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Essentially I just want his Precog description to be fleshed out more than it is with something like "His Spider-Sense can not only warn him of incoming attacks before they occur but it is also capable of differentiating between attacks that need to be blocked or dodged when the other option wouldn't work". I can clean up that idea more thoroughly later since I just got up a bit ago.

Sure, I mean, I'm all for expanding the justification, but I'll wait until you write up something concrete before commenting on that specifically. Take all the time you need, though. There's no rush.

 

[Golden_Void]

Essentially I just want his Precog description to be fleshed out more than it is with something like "His Spider-Sense can not only warn him of incoming attacks before they occur but it is also capable of differentiating between attacks that need to be blocked or dodged when the other option wouldn't work". I can clean up that idea more thoroughly later since I just got up a bit ago.

You also have to include things that are beyond his capabilities straight-up bypass his Spider-Sense, like natural lightning.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

How does this sound?
"Thanks to his Spider-Sense, Peter/Miles can be warned of incoming attacks before they occur, as well as differentiating between attacks that need to be blocked or dodged when the other option wouldn't work. However it can't detect and help him avoid things that far outstrip his capabilities such as natural lightning (link the clips from Spider-Man 1 and 2) or opponents fast enough to blitz him (link Kraven stabbing Peter so fast that his Spider-Sense can't even warn him ahead of time)."

 

[Golden_Void]

Yeah that looks good..though idk about Kraven blitzing him. I think it was because Kraven caught Peter's punch, which he couldn't escape from. Peter was genuinely surprised that Kraven had stopped his attack. I have no doubt Kraven out-stats Peter, but not natural lightning-fast speed.

 

[Chariot190]

However it can't detect and help him avoid things that far outstrip his capabilities such as natural lightning (link the clips from Spider-Man 1 and 2) or opponents fast enough to blitz him (link Kraven stabbing Peter so fast that his Spider-Sense can't even warn him ahead of time)."

This shouldnt be listed in the ability section.

This goes into weaknesses and the fleshed out full description in the nat section.

Yeah that looks good..though idk about Kraven blitzing him. I think it was because Kraven caught Peter's punch, which he couldn't escape from. Peter was genuinely surprised that Kraven had stopped his attack. I have no doubt Kraven out-stats Peter, but not natural lightning-fast speed.

You dont need to be MHS to also blitz a supersonic+, he can be slower than lightning and still do so.

 

[Golden_Void]

You dont need to be MHS to also blitz a supersonic+, he can be slower than lightning and still do so.

Electro couldn't blitz Peter with his electricity, and Kraven off-screened Electro so we can't say he was comparable.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Electro couldn't blitz Peter with his electricity, and Kraven off-screened Electro so we can't say he was comparable.

Electro isn't MHS+ either, it's literally on his profile that he's Supersonic.

 

[Golden_Void]

Electro isn't MHS+ either, it's literally on his profile that he's Supersonic.

How are yall both missing the point?

I never said he was. I said Electro couldn't blitz Peter, and his attacks could cross several dozen meters in a second. Kraven does not attack this fast. Peter literally looked down and watched Kraven stab him while having time to grab his arm while he was pushing the knife. Like I initially said, it's likely because Peter was both shocked and couldn't move because Kraven was grabbing him.

Let's stop the BS, please. I only mentioned lightning because it's the only thing with speed we can verify.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

How are yall both missing the point?

I never said he was. I said Electro couldn't blitz Peter, and his attacks could cross several dozen meters in a second. Kraven does not attack this fast. Peter literally looked down and watched Kraven stab him while having time to grab his arm while he was pushing the knife. Like I initially said, it's likely because Peter was both shocked and couldn't move because Kraven was grabbing him.

Let's stop the BS, please. I only mentioned lightning because it's the only thing with speed we can verify.

Why would he be shocked that Kraven is this strong when he knows he butchered half of the Sinister Six without any outright superpowers?

 

[Golden_Void]

Why would he be shocked that Kraven is this strong when he knows he butchered half of the Sinister Six without any outright superpowers?

Bro, Kraven caught his punch and Peter's eyes opened so wide he almost ripped his mask off. And he gasped.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bro, Kraven caught his punch and Peter's eyes opened so wide he almost ripped his mask off. And he gasped.

Because he got stabbed. You can literally hear the sound of his blade slashing him as the punch is grabbed simultaneously.

 

[Golden_Void]

Because he got stabbed. You can literally hear the sound of his blade slashing him as the punch is grabbed simultaneously.

He was shocked by both. The punch and stab happened at the same time, but Peter first looked up at Kraven's hand catching his fist, then the knife, which Kraven further pushed in. He was going through fodder like tissue paper, and Kraven came behind them, and Peter probably thought he was just a normal guy.

Anywho, my main point is Kraven doesn't blitz Spider-Man; he doesn't register in Peter's senses for some reason. Maybe it's because he's a master of stealth. In the church scene, Kraven throws his knife at Peter, which his senses let him dodge. Then Kraven comes swinging in like Tarzan, launching a full assault, and Peter's senses don't register at all.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

He was shocked by both. The punch and stab happened at the same time, but Peter first looked up at Kraven's hand catching his fist, then the knife, which Kraven further pushed in.

Anywho, my main point is Kraven doesn't blitz Spider-Man; he doesn't register in Peter's senses for some reason. Maybe it's because he's a master of stealth. In the church scene, Kraven throws his knife at Peter, which his senses let him dodge. Then Kraven comes swinging in like Tarzan, launching a full assault, and Peter's senses don't register at all.

That's not a fair comparison at all, Symbiote Peter far outclasses his Base self so of course he has an easier time actually detecting Kraven unless you're trying to argue that Kraven has resistance to the Spider-Sense and thus Symbiote Suit Peter and by extension Venom have layered Precognition.

 

[Dalesean027]

wait what exactly is this current argument?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

wait what exactly is this current argument?

We're arguing if Kraven blitzed Peter or not since his Spider-Sense didn't warn him about Kraven stabbing him.

 

[Golden_Void]

That's not a fair comparison at all, Symbiote Peter far outclasses his Base self so of course he has an easier time actually detecting Kraven

Huh? I said Black Suit Peter failed pathetically at tracking Kraven. We already see him kill base Peter.

unless you're trying to argue that Kraven has resistance to the Spider-Sense and thus Symbiote Suit Peter and by extension Venom have layered Precognition.

This is explicitly what I said.

Idk what layered precognition is, but I'm assuming it means the symbiote has its own precognition, which augments the one Peter naturally has. In which case, isn't that known that Venom, at the very least, has instinctive reactions? When the hunters raid Peter's house and look for him, he ends up in the Queens tunnel. I'm pretty sure it's stated that Peter was sleeping for that entire event.

Though, idk how you made the connection between precognition abilities from what I said.

 

[Golden_Void]

I get what you meant with the first point, though Kraven failed to register spider-sense for both forms (though base form only has the one scene where he dies). I don't think it has anything to do with power at that point. Like I said, Peter registered Kraven throwing the knife, but not Kraven himself.

 

[Dalesean027]

oh I always registered as Peter being shocked with both the punch and stab, since he gets like attack 2 different ways before he can react with the one that hits being what stabbed him so Kraven definitely did get blitz him in a sense cause in the time it took Peter to react to the one attack he was already hit with another before he could even register it but I'm confused what is this having to do with the expansion of the spider-sense justification

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

How does this sound?
"Thanks to his Spider-Sense, Peter/Miles can be warned of incoming attacks before they occur, as well as differentiating between attacks that need to be blocked or dodged when the other option wouldn't work. However it can't detect and help him avoid things that far outstrip his capabilities such as natural lightning (link the clips from Spider-Man 1 and 2) or opponents fast enough to blitz him (link Kraven stabbing Peter so fast that his Spider-Sense can't even warn him ahead of time)."

I wanted to change it to this.

 

[Dalesean027]

I wanted to change it to this.

yeah that seems fine to me as well as Chariot's suggestion

 

[Golden_Void]

oh I always registered as Peter being shocked with both the punch and stab, since he gets like attack 2 different ways before he can react with the one that hits being what stabbed him so Kraven definitely did get blitz him in a sense cause in the time it took Peter to react to the one attack he was already hit with another before he could even register it but I'm confused what is this having to do with the expansion of the spider-sense justification

I disagree, especially since Peter had his back turned to Kraven before he turned around and literally walked into his attack. Peter registering a knife throw but not a 200+ pound man swinging against gravity is an insane cope.

And this is why we need CRTs to fix CRTs with this verse as-is.

 

[Chariot190]

Peter registering a knife throw but not a 200+ pound man swinging against gravity is an insane cope.

Why? The throw doesnt need to be on par, they often arent. Why cant a thrown object be slower than the dude's innate speed?
Like, good example, why are the knives thrown by the The World like 80x slower than its own direct punch? Throws have to overcome a bunch of extra shit, especially at a distance, extra drag, resistance, speed plummets as it goes on, etc.

Unless the knife was dodged from like upclose, it probably did dwindle in velocity.

 

[Golden_Void]

Why? The throw doesnt need to be on par, they often arent. Why cant a thrown object be slower than the dude's innate speed?
Like, good example, why are the knives thrown by the The World like 80x slower than its own direct punch? Throws have to overcome a bunch of extra shit, especially at a distance, extra drag, resistance, speed plummets as it goes on, etc.

Unless the knife was dodged from like upclose, it probably did dwindle in velocity.

Unless you have prior momentum, swinging against gravity means you're only moving as fast as physics allows your mass to move. So I find it incredibly hard to believe that someone can think a knife throw is slower than an entire body limited by the acceleration of gravity, larger surface area for wind resistance, etc. There is a reason Peter and Miles do calculus in their heads to measure each swing. And in the speed downgrade thread, we already discovered they swing at subsonic speeds at their peak velocity, so...

And it's not like he doesn't fight Kraven 1 on 1 to say he's way faster, not to mention Kraven getting dogged by Harry, who's objectively inferior to Peter in all stats. Kraven studied Peter long before they met, as he did with everyone else he killed and prepared for, and he's extremely good at stealth.

Can't blame his invisibility because Peter could still sense Kraven and Miles.

 

[Chariot190]

Unless you have prior momentum, swinging against gravity means you're only moving as fast as physics allows your mass to move. So I find it incredibly hard to believe that someone can think a knife throw is slower than an entire body limited by the acceleration of gravity, larger surface area for wind resistance, etc.

And I will now remind you the that in order to throw something, you must use said arm to do so. On top of the throw object. You mentioned momentum yourself, do I need to elaborate on momentum transfer?

You also forgot to factor in momentum loss over distance.

There is a reason Peter and Miles do calculus in their heads to measure each swing. And in the speed downgrade thread, we already discovered they swing at subsonic speeds at their peak velocity, so...

Yeah and? Youre proving my point.

And it's not like he doesn't fight Kraven 1 on 1 to say he's way faster. Kraven studied Peter long before they met as he did with everyone else he killed and prepared for, and he's extremely good at stealth.

I dont care, im not arguing that, im saying a thrown object 100% can be slower.

Can't blame his invisibility because Peter could still sense Kraven and Miles.

As above.

 

[Golden_Void]

And I will now remind you the that in order to throw something, you must use said arm to do so. On top of the throw object. You mentioned momentum yourself, do I need to elaborate on momentum transfer?

You also forgot to factor in momentum loss over distance.

All this, and you said nothing. Using incredibly generous variables for a pendulum calculation, a length of 10 meters at a perfect 45-degree angle and a 200-pound man would show 7.5 m/s at his peak, starting from a dead stop (cause why wouldn't he be?) Compared to professional throwers who can throw in excess of 100mph (44.7m/s), which Kraven is far beyond a superhuman.

This isn't Jojo, idc about what they do because their verse doesn't function like this.

Yeah and? Youre proving my point.

You never had one.

I dont care, im not arguing that, im saying a thrown object 100% can be slower.

As above.

All these possibilities and probabilities and zero evidence. At this point, all of you can destroy the verse with your nonsense. Idc anymore. Unfollowed

 

[Chariot190]

All this, and you said nothing.

Feeling's mutual my dude.

Using incredibly generous variables for a pendulum calculation, a length of 10 meters at a perfect 45-degree angle and a 200-pound man would show 7.5 m/s at his peak, starting from a dead stop (cause why wouldn't he be?) Compared to professional throwers who can throw in excess of 100mph (44.7m/s), which Kraven is far beyond a superhuman.

Yep because Kraven did that at 7.5mps, totally not a false equilavence.

Also nice ignoraning literally everything every from drag, resistance, momentum loss, of tossed objects. unless this was done point-blank, you're actually ratting out arguments.

This isn't Jojo, idc about what they do because their verse doesn't function like this.

And I don't care I'm telling you straight up, all verses, this one too, can do whatever the **** they want. There's logistics to why this could be a thing, it probably is that very thing given the knife didn't exactly come from up close.

You think a fastball at pointblank and a fastball at 100m is gonna have the same speed still?

You never had one.

"Hey so thrown objects can be slower than a punch due to things like drag, resistance, momentum loss, distance, etc"
"You never had a point"

Hmm, anyway your argument is pretty bad.,

All these possibilities and probabilities and zero evidence.

Dude, you LITERALLY ignoring how that mf was stabbed.

At this point, all of you can destroy the verse with your nonsense. Idc anymore. Unfollowed

Grow up?