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What tier for Prime Ares and Hercules?
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Injustice: Revisions Amogus (Volume 1)
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Poseidon wasn't soundly defeated. Aquaman did harm him with his strikes and underwater but Poseidon was taken by surprise, all the times we see him actually fighting them and not being attacked in the back or taken by surprise, he dominates Arthur and Mera
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Agreed, and I'm thinking we're settling for Low 1-C for Injustice Trigon?
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Still not seeing why Low 1-c for either trigon or mxy...
Also i would recommend not scaling anyone from canon mxy atm, his page is hella outdated and I am going to revise it very soon, and the statistics could change.
Also i would recommend not scaling anyone from canon mxy atm, his page is hella outdated and I am going to revise it very soon, and the statistics could change.
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There is, actually. In any case, his file is outdated and doesn't take into consideration tons of context, i wouldn't recommend scaling injustice from him.
Also can I see the scan where he says he is the same as his canon counterpart from injustice pls?
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There is consistently not (with some likely exceptions, such as the Mxy from CW's Supergirl). It's like the new Gods, who exist in fragments throughout the multiverse, except Mxy doesn't exist as a fragment of a larger form. He just transcends space-time in most incarnations.
Until you make the thread, I will continue to scale them. There's instances of him one-shotting multiverses, and a multitude of iterations from unrelated comics have described the universe as spatially flat (including the Adventures of Supergirl, which exists outside of the main-line comics).
Until you make the thread, I will continue to scale them. There's instances of him one-shotting multiverses, and a multitude of iterations from unrelated comics have described the universe as spatially flat (including the Adventures of Supergirl, which exists outside of the main-line comics).
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no clue why you would scale from canon mxy version from just this scan... at all. But eh, do what you will.
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Because it's the same Mxy as the main-line comics. We have confirmation of this because Mxy here exists in other universes and messes with Superman.
Canon Mxy is most Mxyies we see in DC, with some exceptions. You can tell what most of the exceptions are because he's usually a lot less powerful. Even then, Mxy gives himself different names and limitations based on different universes.
Canon Mxy is most Mxyies we see in DC, with some exceptions. You can tell what most of the exceptions are because he's usually a lot less powerful. Even then, Mxy gives himself different names and limitations based on different universes.
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I'm not against it personnally cause, like Asura said, it was clearly explained Mxy transcends the Multiverse and almost every Mxy is the same and Trigon and him were even (not to mention the consequences of their fight) but I feel we should focus on the rest first and deal with it after the other profiles have been edited since there's still some controversy about it
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it's really not an argument toward him being the same
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It's an argument toward Trigon being equal to Mxy
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Still think we should get a "At least 6-C, likely High 6-C" tier for midly powerful characters
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Never said he was particulary above them (although considering he does overpower them in direct fights, I think it's safe to say he's stronger, though not by a large margin) and certainly not even with the top tiers, just that he was wasn't stomped
And while we're at it, I still think we should have a "middle ground" tier between 6-C and High 6-C for midly strong characters
That or we simply put it aside for now. We should first focus on the rest of the profiles and once we've edited everyone except those two, we will comme back to discuss this, wether we'll make another thread or not
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Nothing in particular :/
"At least 6-C, likely High 6-C" (or "6-C, likely High 6-C") should be good cause we can apply it to characters much above others and relatively close to top tiers while still being weaker than them, like Diana (her duel with Clark ends with the two reduced to bloody wrecks) and Hercules who is stronger than her but weaker than Supes
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I disagree for characters like Wonder Woman, who's clearly very close to Superman either when he is or isn't holding back, but it's good for the mid-tiers who are between Wonder Woman and Green Lanterns.
Here's what I think, btw.
High Tiers (Superman, Comic Shazam, etc) and Mid-High Tiers (Wonder Woman, Pill-amped Batman) = Large Island level
Mid-Tiers (Standard Pill-users like Huntress) = Island level+, likely/possibly Large Island level
Low Tiers (Green Lanterns) = Island level+
I've said this a million times before, but Superman's Sinestro feat was effortless, and Sinestro only had his passive forcefield to protect himself. When Superman wants to, he can easily one-shot constructs far more durable than Sinestro and snap the bones of high-end Green Lanterns with their passive forcefields.
Wonder Woman once kicked Sinestro's ass to a similar extent as the moon feat.
Here's what I think, btw.
High Tiers (Superman, Comic Shazam, etc) and Mid-High Tiers (Wonder Woman, Pill-amped Batman) = Large Island level
Mid-Tiers (Standard Pill-users like Huntress) = Island level+, likely/possibly Large Island level
Low Tiers (Green Lanterns) = Island level+
I've said this a million times before, but Superman's Sinestro feat was effortless, and Sinestro only had his passive forcefield to protect himself. When Superman wants to, he can easily one-shot constructs far more durable than Sinestro and snap the bones of high-end Green Lanterns with their passive forcefields.
Wonder Woman once kicked Sinestro's ass to a similar extent as the moon feat.
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High 6-C for high tiers
At least 6-C, possibly High 6-C for mid-tiers
6-C for low tiers
That's what I'm leaning on
At least 6-C, possibly High 6-C for mid-tiers
6-C for low tiers
That's what I'm leaning on
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Now we're cooking!
Also, what would be Prime Ares tier (I think he would be suited for Mid-High tier)?
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Same here
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Agreed
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So have we reach an agreement? If yes, I think we can just make a list of characters for each tier
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Montoya maybe for example?
Pill amped Alfred also needs a profile
Pill amped Alfred also needs a profile
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God Tiers (TBA): Mxy and Trigon
Low God Tiers (At least High 6-C): Highfather, Zeus
High Tiers (High 6-C): Superman, Amazo, Supergirl, Wonder Woman, Doomsday, Darkseid, Adam, Shazam, Etrigan, Brainiac, Prime Ares
Mid Tiers (At least 6-C, possibly High 6-C): Pill Amped Green Arrow, Deathstroke, Pill Amped Batman, Swamp Thing, Doctor Fate, Green Lantern Lobo, Poseidon, Hera, Apollo
Low Tiers (6-C): Aquaman, Green Lantern, Sinestro, Flash, Raven, John Constantine, Blue Beetle, Starfire, Zatanna, Black Lightning, Pill Amped Joker, Atrocitus, Gorilla Grodd, Pill Amped Deadshot, Pill Amped Red Hood, Reverse-Flash, Lobo, Weakened Ares
Street levels (TBA): Green Arrow, Batman, Robin, Nightwing, Ra's Al Ghul, Joker, Deadshot, Red Hood, Mr Freeze.
Tell me if I made any mistakes, that I could change.
For the 5-U-93-R: We can list it as Varies, from 6-C up to possibly High 6-C, and higher when multiple are consumed.
Low God Tiers (At least High 6-C): Highfather, Zeus
High Tiers (High 6-C): Superman, Amazo, Supergirl, Wonder Woman, Doomsday, Darkseid, Adam, Shazam, Etrigan, Brainiac, Prime Ares
Mid Tiers (At least 6-C, possibly High 6-C): Pill Amped Green Arrow, Deathstroke, Pill Amped Batman, Swamp Thing, Doctor Fate, Green Lantern Lobo, Poseidon, Hera, Apollo
Low Tiers (6-C): Aquaman, Green Lantern, Sinestro, Flash, Raven, John Constantine, Blue Beetle, Starfire, Zatanna, Black Lightning, Pill Amped Joker, Atrocitus, Gorilla Grodd, Pill Amped Deadshot, Pill Amped Red Hood, Reverse-Flash, Lobo, Weakened Ares
Street levels (TBA): Green Arrow, Batman, Robin, Nightwing, Ra's Al Ghul, Joker, Deadshot, Red Hood, Mr Freeze.
Tell me if I made any mistakes, that I could change.
For the 5-U-93-R: We can list it as Varies, from 6-C up to possibly High 6-C, and higher when multiple are consumed.
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I think Zeus and Highfather should be put in the God tiers as well, if anything Low God Tiers since Zeus is shown to be so much stronger Superman so they're both way above Supes and the likes of him and really no one can compare to them. Don't know if Hera, Poseidon and Apollo qualify for high tiers though, more likely Mid Tiers.
Batman should be in High Tiers with his green armor from the end of 2. Prime Ares is High Tiers but his weakened self should be 6-C since Aquaman can fight him and put him in difficulties in that state (though I don't know if we should give him two keys or if we simply say "6-C when weakened, High 6-C at his prime".
Also, Manta, Freeze and Enchantress are gonna get deleted probably
Batman should be in High Tiers with his green armor from the end of 2. Prime Ares is High Tiers but his weakened self should be 6-C since Aquaman can fight him and put him in difficulties in that state (though I don't know if we should give him two keys or if we simply say "6-C when weakened, High 6-C at his prime".
Also, Manta, Freeze and Enchantress are gonna get deleted probably
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Makes sense
Wait, didn't the green armour simply weaken Supes cuz it's Kryptonite?
Makes sense
Ok, I'm guessing we're deleting the guest characters as well?
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Yeah, they have nothing
Was it stated it was Kryptonite? Or was it simply green light or something?
Yep unfortunately (especially for Enchantress, I love her in that game)
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He wore it right before he fought Superman, so that's the assumption that I am under. Since green could mainly point towards it being Kryptonite. There's also a similar cosmetic that can be chosen, which calls it Kryptonite Infused Armor, so its a possibility
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True, though we might need more to be sure
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So based on the profiles we already have on the wiki (aside from Trigon and Mxz):
God Tiers (Low): At least High 6-C, likely higher (Zeus and Highfather)
High Tiers: High 6-C (Superman, Darkseid, Doomsday, Diana, Black Adam, Shazam, Supergirl, Wonder Woman, Batman with Green Armor, Brainiac, Prime Ares)
Mid-Tiers: At least 6-C, likely High 6-C (Doctor Fate, Lobo, Swamp Thing, Olympians like Poseidon, Hera, Apollo, Hermes as they were shown to be able to match and even overpower heroes when fought properly)
Low Tiers: 6-C (Aquaman, Green Lantern, Sinestro, Flash, Raven, Blue Beetle, Starfire, Black Lightning, Pill Amped Joker, Atrocitus, Gorilla Grodd, Pill Amped Deadshot, Pill Amped Red Hood, Reverse-Flash, Weakened Ares)
Street Tiers: 9-B (Batman, Deathstroke, Deadshot, Harley, Joker, Red Hood, Ra's Al Ghul, Green Arrow, Regime Soldiers)
Others: Etrigan (He fought Fear Superman and seriously harmed him so he would be equal to this key), Zatanna and Constantine (9-B physically, 6-C via Magic, Constantine's Magic was strong enough to overpower Raven's despite her powers so they can scale)
God Tiers (Low): At least High 6-C, likely higher (Zeus and Highfather)
High Tiers: High 6-C (Superman, Darkseid, Doomsday, Diana, Black Adam, Shazam, Supergirl, Wonder Woman, Batman with Green Armor, Brainiac, Prime Ares)
Mid-Tiers: At least 6-C, likely High 6-C (Doctor Fate, Lobo, Swamp Thing, Olympians like Poseidon, Hera, Apollo, Hermes as they were shown to be able to match and even overpower heroes when fought properly)
Low Tiers: 6-C (Aquaman, Green Lantern, Sinestro, Flash, Raven, Blue Beetle, Starfire, Black Lightning, Pill Amped Joker, Atrocitus, Gorilla Grodd, Pill Amped Deadshot, Pill Amped Red Hood, Reverse-Flash, Weakened Ares)
Street Tiers: 9-B (Batman, Deathstroke, Deadshot, Harley, Joker, Red Hood, Ra's Al Ghul, Green Arrow, Regime Soldiers)
Others: Etrigan (He fought Fear Superman and seriously harmed him so he would be equal to this key), Zatanna and Constantine (9-B physically, 6-C via Magic, Constantine's Magic was strong enough to overpower Raven's despite her powers so they can scale)
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I swear I've seen this exact post like ten times in this thread now xD
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Lol
There were still some unclear stuff and we need a clear approval for everything so repeating everything isn't that bad (and it keeps the thread active)
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I feel like the 2 flashes could get 1 or 2 tier higher with barry's feats. Doctor fate not being above that is weird but I guess he doesn't have a lot of feats.
Feats for flash:
"evened the odds" against the gods, hurting 3 of them with his punches
easily overpowered fear hal
one punched wonder woman (not sure if we're using game feats tho)
beat Hermes
knocked back superman and wonder woman (also cyborg)
also in the game, he takes fear hal, solomon grundy and sinestro with presumably no time to rest between each fight.
If not high tiers, he should at least be mid tier
Feats for flash:
"evened the odds" against the gods, hurting 3 of them with his punches
easily overpowered fear hal
one punched wonder woman (not sure if we're using game feats tho)
beat Hermes
knocked back superman and wonder woman (also cyborg)
also in the game, he takes fear hal, solomon grundy and sinestro with presumably no time to rest between each fight.
If not high tiers, he should at least be mid tier
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I think that can work actually
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Is everybody ok with the Flash thing above?
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