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Range feat and not AP
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Infinite Zamasu potential upgrade
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I'm not sure about what affecting the present doesn't mean, but what it does show is that he was affecting space-time since his presence spread to a point of being able to affect the present.
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Thing is that we don't know if Zamasu was done with the Future Timeline U7, and nothing says there's not the possibility he was also expanding in the Present whie doing so in the Future at the same time, aka just range.
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Why would he branch out to the present if he didn't take over future. From logical/story point of view it doesn't make sense.
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To be honest....if math was a bit lenient with us.....IZ would have been Low2C for even affecting a small length of space-time/timeline.
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Again, doing so would mean affecting space-time. Not only that, this downgrade relies a lot on "well we can't assume x" despite a statement of exactly that thing, in a series that has been consistent with its statements being taken as law (like Cell's solar system busting statement; yes, that one had way more supplementary material, but the point stands that in canon he said that and it was taken as law)
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Cries in Photoshop Flowey
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The single most nerfed character I've seen in a while
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Thing is, we can't make a character Low 2-C because they affected an unknown portion of space-time, is unquantifiable.
Zamasu didn't even finish to merge with the future universe, nothing stated so.
Zamasu didn't even finish to merge with the future universe, nothing stated so.
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Lets nuke math itself.....solve a lot of problems.....
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Nothing stated so but it was implied to when he started breaching into the future.
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Don’t agree with the upgrade or downgrade
Infinite Zamasu being Low 2-C is still valid in my eyes via merging with the entire universe, which would include the time since his presence was literally leaking into other timelines
That’s all I’m gonna say tho
Infinite Zamasu being Low 2-C is still valid in my eyes via merging with the entire universe, which would include the time since his presence was literally leaking into other timelines
That’s all I’m gonna say tho
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One can argue that he was merging with both universes at the same time without finishing the first like Kukui said
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My main issue with the downgrade is its reliance on "well we can't assume this" despite the events themselves depicting the thing we can't assume actually happening.
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Ok. But we basically saw him stop expanding. And the moment he stopped he started going to the present timeline which means he finished merging with the future timeline.
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Or maybe he was still expanding and started doing so also in the present, who knows.
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Anyway, the list of the characters who'll be affected is this:
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Eh I don't really agree with the downgrade. Considering how fast IZ and the DBS cast is (quadrillions to sextillions c.), he should have more than enough speed to merge with the universe extremely fast
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Range feats for such beings aren't related to speed, otherwise he'd be immeasurable in speed at this point with this logic.
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If you watch the episode you will clearly see him to stop expanding. Also why would he go to another timeline where he isn't done with one. The motion he displayed before going to the present timeline was different from when he started expanding. Another proof he merged with the universe.
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In this video he has clearly stopped moving before zeno came
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Scaling from Base Jiren who is > IZ
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Then why isn't Jiren Low Multiversal? They Keys for DBS have been like that for a while now if Base Jiren>IZ then why wasn't he Upgraded to Low Multiversal?
Oh wait its DB were talking about the Franchise that has caused 3 Wide wiki reviews because they qualified for certain stuff.
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Zamasu wasn't merged with two universes, he never reached such state.
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You're ignoring my question. I asked why was Jiren not upgraded before, the "Downgrade" was discussed Today in previous Date IZ was accepted as Low Multiversal since you pretty Much agree Jiren Base > IZ why wasn't he Upgraded?
Also Do you have proof besides assuming he hadn't finished fusing with the Timeline?
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Good point. But why would zamasu go to another timeline if he wasn't fused with one already. And the effects of him moving to the present timeline is the same has him expanding through universe it doesn't seem logical in but physics and story point if view. Also jiren shouldn't be applied to this. Cause base suppressed jiren is stronger than beerus.
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Also there isn't proof he hasn't finished merging with the timeline.And gawasu literally stated he was going to merge with universe. Also there's a lot of assumption from an illogical standpoint. Like him merging with both timelines at the the same time. While a more logical assumption would be he was done with one then went to the other.
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Because there aren't proofs at all he finished to do so.
1) Currently only Full Power Jiren is > Beerus on his profile.
2) We can make a circular argument about Zamasu affecting 2 universes at the same time without finishing the first since there aren't objective proof of him being done with the Future.
Same as this. Is there an actual proof? We can say that he was still merging and still working in the narrative
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Zamasu was written by a human. And as a human if you are doing a particular tasks do you stop half and start doing another tasks at the same time. The answer is no you finish a job and move to the other this what was toriyama was trying to convey when zamasu moved to the present timeline. To show he was done merging with the future, then moves on with his next task.
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Honestly it's better for mod to check this thread.
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So these characters are being changed to 3-A?
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All of this is headcanon. Fiction doesen't work like this for one. It's open to Occam's Razor, and the interpretation of him merging with the two universes at the same time but never having finished with one is still valid.
AKM agrees, same with Damage and Plank iirc.
Yesn't.
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And the IZ scaling should be removed
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Like any scaling from the ones who are gonna be 3-A as well.
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Hey if everyone agrees ok
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