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The other thread is getting cluttered. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1706400
Like I said I would, I went through the old Infinite Speed thread for our standards. Here is my post that hopefully can be addressed.
Seeing as I only got so much time on Sunday mornings, I woke up early in order to get this done quickly.
So, to start this was the main proposal made by Assalt in that thread.
"A character should only receive infinite speed if it is mentioned or backed up by other feats or statements. For characters who were spawned in a timeless void but then show no sign of retaining such speeds, in either scaling or narrative, they should not have this speed rating."
Now, going through the thread we see Ever, Kep and Matt along with many other agree that this is too strict and would limit Infinite Speed to no one. This was also Kep opinion on the matter which many people were in agreement with.
"Or maybe we just consider Void feats valid, while noting that if it contradicts the rest of the verse's speed feats (tl;dr: it is an outlier) and is a PIS, it shouldn't be used. There."
^This seems to be a major point of contention here. I will stay out of that issue as it's too early in the morning for me to deal with that.
So skipping ahead past the walls of text full of back and forth arguments, this is a comment made by Assalt.
"Any infinite speed character that isn't consistent in showing said infinite speed."
To which I replied;
"Define consistent showing. Almost no series shows "consistent infinite speed"."
This was something many people earlier in the thread agreed upon as this was brought up by Ever and approved of by Matt, Kep and other users.
Assalt's comments here is mainly what people seem to accept as the standards.
"I'd like some citation of it being truly timeless and functioning as timeless. Sorry if this sounds demanding, but this is a significant rating that is literally an infinite amount above all other speed ratings, so I'd like there to be ample proof. Consistent showing: The infinite speed has multiple statements/feats and/or functions like infinite speed should, and doesn't contradict more substantial or more consistent showings."
As much as I am sick of them being brought up, Digimon I guess is by far the best example, because as Cal said, they likely have the most non-Tier 2 Infinite Speed characters. I should also note that in this thread, said Dark Area Digimon were going to be downgraded. However, after I posted these scans, everything was fine and as such this would likely prove to be sufficient for Infinite (and Immeasurable) Speed.
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Ripped directly from our blogs on this.
During Period X Yggdrasil created a Digital World divided into three terminals that would represent the past, present and future. According to the official Digimon Chronicle website to move between the terminals you need to move beyond the time itself.
The Royal Knights constantly travel through the three terminals because of the orders of Yggdrasil to exterminate the Digimon with the X-Antibody.
To top it all off. https://imgur.com/a/iJSLI"
Before I continue, I will just say that seeing as this was accepted and is the main topic brought up, we should use these scans as an example to what we want.
Anyway, towards the end of the thread, this was what everyone agreed upon.
"Originating from the void can be used to support the rating. However, this does not automatically makes the character infinite in speed. In addition, lacking such an origin is not a justification to disqualify a character from the rating. Official statements can also be applied as long the description is clear or clarified."
And as a bonus, Ultima's post that people agreed with (the part that seems to be important here).
"I honestly think that downgrading the speeds of these kind of characters because "muh fiction does not depicts them a certain way" is overly strict and is mostly a product of people overthinking things, and this would eventually restrict Infinite and Immeasurable speeds to characters such as cosmic entities that display extremely specific showings of velocity that aren't found in many fictional verses aside from some stories that focus of Hard Sci-Fi or Cosmic Horror. And thinking that an entity unbound by time would suddently become restrained by it when entering a continuum is ridiculous, when they can inhabit a realm where it is nonexistent, while beings from a continuum would most likely stand still and remain completely paralyzed due to lack of causality (Well... Unless the power of PIS interferes, but i think i already exposed my point here)"
Either way, after seeing all this, I hope it is clear to what we want. I posted the exact details of the verse that is used as a major comparison (Digimon) and what was used to justify Infinite Speed Dark Area Digimon. Hopefully now things can go smoothly and swiftly.
Also to clear up confusion on the second scan, the quote below it is actually the third scan. The second scan is from Re Digitize when in the Dark Area, the timer that usually shows up, is no longer functioning and has disappeared, showing that there is no longer any time.
Here is what it looks like outside the Dark Area.
Like I said I would, I went through the old Infinite Speed thread for our standards. Here is my post that hopefully can be addressed.
Seeing as I only got so much time on Sunday mornings, I woke up early in order to get this done quickly.
So, to start this was the main proposal made by Assalt in that thread.
"A character should only receive infinite speed if it is mentioned or backed up by other feats or statements. For characters who were spawned in a timeless void but then show no sign of retaining such speeds, in either scaling or narrative, they should not have this speed rating."
Now, going through the thread we see Ever, Kep and Matt along with many other agree that this is too strict and would limit Infinite Speed to no one. This was also Kep opinion on the matter which many people were in agreement with.
"Or maybe we just consider Void feats valid, while noting that if it contradicts the rest of the verse's speed feats (tl;dr: it is an outlier) and is a PIS, it shouldn't be used. There."
^This seems to be a major point of contention here. I will stay out of that issue as it's too early in the morning for me to deal with that.
So skipping ahead past the walls of text full of back and forth arguments, this is a comment made by Assalt.
"Any infinite speed character that isn't consistent in showing said infinite speed."
To which I replied;
"Define consistent showing. Almost no series shows "consistent infinite speed"."
This was something many people earlier in the thread agreed upon as this was brought up by Ever and approved of by Matt, Kep and other users.
Assalt's comments here is mainly what people seem to accept as the standards.
"I'd like some citation of it being truly timeless and functioning as timeless. Sorry if this sounds demanding, but this is a significant rating that is literally an infinite amount above all other speed ratings, so I'd like there to be ample proof. Consistent showing: The infinite speed has multiple statements/feats and/or functions like infinite speed should, and doesn't contradict more substantial or more consistent showings."
As much as I am sick of them being brought up, Digimon I guess is by far the best example, because as Cal said, they likely have the most non-Tier 2 Infinite Speed characters. I should also note that in this thread, said Dark Area Digimon were going to be downgraded. However, after I posted these scans, everything was fine and as such this would likely prove to be sufficient for Infinite (and Immeasurable) Speed.
| Born from the Dark Area, which exists in a spatial distortio, it is a wicked Ghost Digimon. | ||
| Time stops, complete darkness and Dark Energy surrounds all of you now! It looks like everyone was somehow transported to the Dark Area. | ||
| The intersection of its lightning-speed attacks blows the opponent right out of the flow of time! | ||
~ Re-101 |
| This is a world that can go beyond time by moving between layers! | ||
~ [1] |
The Royal Knights constantly travel through the three terminals because of the orders of Yggdrasil to exterminate the Digimon with the X-Antibody.
| This illusory holy knight transcended space-time to save the world! | ||
~ Bx-144 |
| Chapter Twenty: The heroes advance through space-time, putting their lives and the future on the line! | ||
~ Bx-133 |
Before I continue, I will just say that seeing as this was accepted and is the main topic brought up, we should use these scans as an example to what we want.
Anyway, towards the end of the thread, this was what everyone agreed upon.
"Originating from the void can be used to support the rating. However, this does not automatically makes the character infinite in speed. In addition, lacking such an origin is not a justification to disqualify a character from the rating. Official statements can also be applied as long the description is clear or clarified."
And as a bonus, Ultima's post that people agreed with (the part that seems to be important here).
"I honestly think that downgrading the speeds of these kind of characters because "muh fiction does not depicts them a certain way" is overly strict and is mostly a product of people overthinking things, and this would eventually restrict Infinite and Immeasurable speeds to characters such as cosmic entities that display extremely specific showings of velocity that aren't found in many fictional verses aside from some stories that focus of Hard Sci-Fi or Cosmic Horror. And thinking that an entity unbound by time would suddently become restrained by it when entering a continuum is ridiculous, when they can inhabit a realm where it is nonexistent, while beings from a continuum would most likely stand still and remain completely paralyzed due to lack of causality (Well... Unless the power of PIS interferes, but i think i already exposed my point here)"
Either way, after seeing all this, I hope it is clear to what we want. I posted the exact details of the verse that is used as a major comparison (Digimon) and what was used to justify Infinite Speed Dark Area Digimon. Hopefully now things can go smoothly and swiftly.
Also to clear up confusion on the second scan, the quote below it is actually the third scan. The second scan is from Re Digitize when in the Dark Area, the timer that usually shows up, is no longer functioning and has disappeared, showing that there is no longer any time.
Here is what it looks like outside the Dark Area.
