Low Class Saiyan vs The King of Curses (Dragon Ball vs Jujutsu Kaisen | 0-3-0)

[AmonInChains]

SON GOKU VS RYOMEN SUKUNA
Red Ribbon Army Arc & 15/16 Fingers (Yuji's Body) keys were used.
Base Goku scales to 4.63 Kilotons & Class 5. Great Ape scales to 46.3 Kilotons & Class 25.
Sukuna scales to 1.32039 Kilotons, higher with Shrine, even higher with Malevolent Shrine, 487.05783 Kilotons with Divine Flame & 125,959 Metric Tons (Class M); higher while using Domain Expansion.
Goku starts in base.
Starts at 10m of each other.
Speed equalized.
SBA.
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Goku:
Sukuna: 3(@Anonymous_Learner, @Arkansalter2, @Bimbitesthedust)
Incon:

 

[Arkansalter2]

Going with Sukuna here.
Goku will have the AP advantage at first. Cleave-Mantle spam is what Sukuna might lead with and it will kinda slice Goku but not apart. Eventually, the Cleave-Mantle spam would be too much for goku to handle and he'll transform into Great Ape if applicable.
However, one thing is for sure is that Goku will tempt Sukuna to not hold back. Terrible mistake.
Shrine + GGs. Goku has no answer to that.

Sukuna, low-mid diff.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Sukuna fra

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Going with Sukuna here.
Goku will have the AP advantage at first. Cleave-Mantle spam is what Sukuna might lead with and it will kinda slice Goku but not apart. Eventually, the Cleave-Mantle spam would be too much for goku to handle and he'll transform into Great Ape if applicable.
However, one thing is for sure is that Goku will tempt Sukuna to not hold back. Terrible mistake.
Shrine + GGs. Goku has no answer to that.

Sukuna, low-mid diff.

Doesnt Sukuna in this key have the ten shadows on top of shrine?

Im guessing that the shikigami could have similar lifting strength and sukuna could just use the toads to fling goku around the entire time

 

[Arkansalter2]

Doesnt Sukuna in this key have the ten shadows on top of shrine?

Im guessing that the shikigami could have similar lifting strength and sukuna could just use the toads to fling goku around the entire time

That's just even more of a wincon.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

That's just even more of a wincon.

worst case scenario Sukuna slings Mahoraga at the kid

Honestly I don't see what Goku can do much outside of cqc due to Sukunas abundance of abilities combined with access to RCT and attacks that can one-shot even the great ape form if domains used

Unless kid Goku uses great ape right off the bat and Sukuna's being silly

Sukuna FRA

 

[Fezzih_007]

Time: The time and date are chosen in such a fashion that all characters are at their strongest. Paradoxes like it being night for one character, while being day for another are acceptable here. If extreme advantages are generated via this regulation to one side, a balanced alternative should be discussed in the thread.

Is already gonna be in a full moon then, and Ku-Go gonna be transformed into a monkey at the start.

It don't help him much anyway, since he can't control it.
Sukuna fra.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Is already gonna be in a full moon then, and Ku-Go gonna be transformed into a monkey at the start.

It don't help him much anyway, since he can't control it.
Sukuna fra.

I see

Yeah great apes usually are more brawlers in fighting and this is kid goku as a great ape

Sukuna would still low to mid diff at worst because of the fact that

1) Domains and Flame = gg's
2) ten shadows would overwhelm w differing abilities and massive nue
3) lifting strength is still in Sukuna favor funny enough because I'm pretty sure class M is leagues above class 25

 

[Epiccheev]

I'm going with Sukuna, of courses.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Well actually, Goku great Ape form would increase his speed to a blitz level that Sukuna would't be able to fight back.

Massively Hypersonic combat speed as a Great Ape (Kept up with Grandpa Gohan who's comparable to his Post-Korin Training self)

Massively Hypersonic combat speed (After training at Korin Tower for three days, Goku is faster than Tao Pai Pai

So...

 

[Arkansalter2]

Well actually, Goku great Ape form would increase his speed to a blitz level that Sukuna would't be able to fight back.



So...

Chances are that Sukuna would pop shrine as soon as he sees the Ape.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Chances are that Sukuna would pop shrine as soon as he sees the Ape.

After Goku transform? He just get blitzed;
If you mean during, maybe? It would be a mismatch either way;

 

[Epiccheev]

Chances are that Sukuna would pop shrine as soon as he sees the Ape.

I came here to see the Ape

 

[Arkansalter2]

After Goku transform? He just get blitzed;
If you mean during, maybe? It would be a mismatch either way;

What's Goku doing about Mahoraga?

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Tf Sukuna gonna do to a ki blast spam

 

[Arkansalter2]

Tf Sukuna gonna do to a ki blast spam

Mahoraga, worst case scenario.

 

[Fezzih_007]

What's Goku doing about Mahoraga?

Nothing, Great Ape can't see Mahoraga. He can kill if he could, since Maho regen is just mid.
Sukuna not gonna summon Maho anyway, since he gonna get blitz after Ku-Go transform;

 

[Fezzih_007]

Tf Sukuna gonna do to a ki blast spam

Kid Goku don't ki blast spam, nor does his Oozaru form

 

[Arkansalter2]

This is assuming if Goku would transform into Oozaru off the rip.
If he does transform, Oozaru is animalistic as hell so he'll just end up doing some STUPID shit and getting outsmarted.

 

[Fezzih_007]

This is assuming if Goku would transform into Oozaru off the rip.

Not really? He would't transform right away, but like, 10 seconds after is still pretty close.

If he does transform, Oozaru is animalistic as hell so he'll just end up doing some STUPID shit and getting outsmarted.

Not really when Sukuna is just, negative slower than the Oozaru.
When he focus on Sukuna, at 10 meters, is kinda over.

This is still a mismatch anyway

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yeah it’s a mismatch

 

[AmonInChains]

Not really? He would't transform right away, but like, 10 seconds after is still pretty close.

Don't ignore the context of the transformation; the two times Goku transformed were due to situations that FORCED him to see it; the first was due to Bulma telling him not to look at the moon (and Goku disobey her) or Jackie Chun paralyzing him in front of it. The most casual case is Gohan seeing it for first time, but he wasn't even in combat, so I doubt Goku will even stare it in the middle of the fight unless of course, he's lying down watching it after being defeated or something.

Not really when Sukuna is just, negative slower than the Oozaru.
When he focus on Sukuna, at 10 meters, is kinda over.

He's not? Ozaru is dumb as shit like Arkan said; he wasn't able to land a single hit against Pilaf Gang after turning into Great Ape, or against Jackie Chun. (Also, why the multiplier is higher than 10x lmao, base Goku should downscale from that speed)

 

[AmonInChains]

What's Goku doing about Mahoraga?

He should be able to sense it and be able to interact with it, although ofc, not seeing it is a big problem.

Would maybe be fairer switching to Yuji's body? Given the Shikigami's physiology, and also that they would be equal in LS.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Don't ignore the context of the transformation;

I not tho, the two times he transformed are just not relevant to why he would transform for this battle

Time: The time and date are chosen in such a fashion that all characters are at their strongest

So, the fight would take place during night, clear sky, with the Full Moon on front of Goku.

Since the time is chosen in a fashion that the characters are at their strongest, the fight would take place where Goku would have a full look at the Moon for where he is stading.

Sukuna is taller than him, so he would need to look up, and look at the Moon

Ozaru is dumb as shit like Arkan said;

I never denied that, but he still a dumb 290x faster monkey.

he wasn't able to land a single hit against Pilaf Gang after turning into Great Ape, or against Jackie Chun.

That's just outliers.
Oozaru would still be Mach 852 against Sukuna >March 3 for this matchup.

(Also, why the multiplier is higher than 10x lmao, base Goku should downscale from that speed)

I forgot why.

 

[AmonInChains]

I not tho, the two times he transformed are just not relevant to why he would transform for this battle

They are ofc? I mean, you're arguing that Goku will transform in 10 seconds because there's a full moon, however, in NONE of the cases seen in the series have they transformed that quickly just by looking at the moon without any external help making them observe it steadily. Not even Gohan during his fight with Vegeta was able to transform despite having the moon created right in front of him; he only looked and triggered it after Goku words.

So, the fight would take place during night, clear sky, with the Full Moon on front of Goku.

Gohan literally have the Moon in front of him and was unaffected until Goku's words. As I said, Goku would have to look directly at the Moon for this to happen and it wouldn't happen if he is in the middle of a fight.

Since the time is chosen in a fashion that the characters are at their strongest, the fight would take place where Goku would have a full look at the Moon for where he is stading.

That's not how it works...? Just because the time is right doesn’t mean you’re going to reposition the character to a favorable point for them, like in this case, stating in advance that Goku is looking at the Moon.
Also,

If extreme advantages are generated via this regulation to one side, a balanced alternative should be discussed in the thread.

There should be a full Moon ofc, but saying that Goku will be directly looking at it is extremely unfair to the matchup.

That's just outliers.

Why would it be an outlier if it's literally the two times the character appeared on screen lmao, it's character mechanics being dumb af.

 

[AmonInChains]

Btw changing into Yuji's body

 

[Fezzih_007]

I ignore the rest of the reply.

Not even Gohan during his fight with Vegeta was able to transform despite having the moon created right in front of him; he only looked and triggered it after Goku words.

Gohan was not in the fight when Vegeta created the Moon, and he also din't have his tail until he got unconscious.

Goku needed to wake him up for him to look at the artificial Moon.

Also,

There should be a full Moon ofc, but saying that Goku will be directly looking at it is extremely unfair to the matchup.

You want to discuss a balance alternative then?

After reviewing, I don't think The Great Ape s even a good wincon, even If we make Goku look at the full Moon for the start.
So I not seeing any wincon for Goku.

Why would it be an outlier if it's literally the two times the character appeared on screen lmao,

The human level pillaf gang are reacting and dodging to the Great Ape, a opponent much faster.

And Jackie chun just like, dodges one attack (He should be as fast as The oozaru, but classic Toei speed scaling is trash rn, I make a crt late for It. )

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Even though it's Yujikuna now, i still think Sukuna got it so put me on for him

 

[AmonInChains]

Vote counted.
Bump.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Bro forgot links .
But I think Yujikuna still gots this mid diff. Especially because of the infinity stones of immo.
Voting Sukuna.

 

[AmonInChains]

Only Sukuna's one
Updated and vote counted.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Might give this to Sukuna via hax still

Domain and Open could seal the deal and Hes got regen for stuff, not sure what Kid Goku can do outside of hoping to get Big Ape

 

[AmonInChains]

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[Fezzih_007]

This is still a stomp, Goku really don't have a wincon against Sukuna.