In need of some spoilers for Instant Death.

[AZeron420]

Sooo... in the novel for ID

Spoiler

(since I'm caught up to the manga an this wasn't there)

there seems to be some new kid with powers who wants to end the world. Checked the profile and I have one question.

Is UEG superior or comparable to Yogurt ? Or is she just another fodder that only exists to be killed by him ? And WTF are these Higher-Order Gods ? Spoilers will be appreciated.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

She has not confronted him yet. This will most likely happen in the next volume.

 

[Gemstic]

Well, if you have only read the manga adaptation, it'd mean that you're not even done with Volume 2 of the novel (which is just the beginning phase of the story, as there's 10 volumes out there).

UEG is basically the most 'Anti-Yogiri' character that has ever appeared in the series:

Spoiler

Because she can't be killed for good no matter what her opponent tries against her (even nonexistence erasure is useless).

Before I answer your questions, you need to first understand the three levels of nonexistence:
1) Conceptual Nonexistence (Nonexistence but with a defined form) [you can think of it as baseline NEP Type 2]
2) Pure Nonexistence (Nonexistence without any set definition to explain it)
3) True Nonexistence (Final point for anything and everything where you fully become part of the boundless nonexistence, with anything that defines you as "I" totally erased)

Since you literally asked for spoilers:

Spoiler: Wall of Text

UEG exists at the level of Pure Nonexistence, so you can easily imagine how hard it'd be to kill her in the first place. Things become even more troublesome when you find that she can instantly regenerate even after total annihilation.

Now let's talk about Yogiri. The following information is based on the things we know so far and it is subject to change according to what happens in the future: Do you remember that chapter where we see him as a child for the first time? In that chapter, Yogiri mentions that he was called "Okakushi-sama" by others. The translator did a good job on their part to convey the meaning of the title, but they unfortunately didn't get what it actually means or implies, likely due to the lack of understanding of his abilities, past, and other things that we get to know later on. "Okakushi-sama" actually means 'The Lord that conceals others' in the context of this series. If you ever read the novel, you'll realize that although the author keeps his true identity a secret as much as possible, but he doesn't forget to give us hints (even though it rarely happens). He did give a character meta-ability specifically for the purpose of revealing a major part of his identity in the beginning phase of the story (as you see in the latest chapter of the manga), so we can't really complain much about it.

To put it simply, Yogiri is the personification of True Nonexistence (aka, true The END of everything), unlike what the misleading title and other stuff would lead you to believe (why do you think fate and plot are less than a joke before him?). When he 'kills' someone or something, he basically 'conceals' their existence or nonexistence within himself. This is also why no kind of immortality or regeneration ever works against him.

From the novel:

It was a dead end. The inevitable destination of all fates, beyond which there was nothing. The end of all things in human form. An embodiment of nonexistence that would overcome all others, something that no one could ever hope to surpass.

As you can see for yourself, there's simply no way to escape from his grasp, no matter who you are or what you do. So, although we have yet to see their confrontation, it should not be surprising for UEG to end up just like others, even if she already has Pure Nonexistence.

And WTF are these Higher-Order Gods ?

Gods have a hierarchy based on their divinity, and the higher a god is in the hierarchy, the more potent their authority, powers and stats are.

To make it easier for you to understand:

1) True God: Can exist as Pure Nonexistence and able to casually play around with Higher-Order Gods.

2) Higher-Order God: Mighty enough to do things that are impossible for a non-smurf multiversal being.

3) Mid-Order God: Someone who can even create overpowered Standard Gods with their own ability.

4) Standard God: Rules over a Heavenly Record, which is a 4-D structure with multiple timelines.

Do you notice how a god that is higher in the hierarchy, is quite a superior existence to the one below them? Hope this helps you to have a better understanding.

 

[Zazzzzi]

Well, if you have only read the manga adaptation, it'd mean that you're not even done with Volume 2 of the novel (which is just the beginning phase of the story, as there's 10 volumes out there).

UEG is basically the most 'Anti-Yogiri' character that has ever appeared in the series:

Spoiler

Because she can't be killed for good no matter what her opponent tries against her (even nonexistence erasure is useless).

Before I answer your questions, you need to first understand the three levels of nonexistence:
1) Conceptual Nonexistence (Nonexistence but with a defined form) [you can think of it as baseline NEP Type 2]
2) Pure Nonexistence (Nonexistence without any set definition to explain it)
3) True Nonexistence (Final point for anything and everything where you fully become part of the boundless nonexistence, with anything that defines you as "I" totally erased)

Since you literally asked for spoilers:

Spoiler: Wall of Text

UEG exists at the level of Pure Nonexistence, so you can easily imagine how hard it'd be to kill her in the first place. Things become even more troublesome when you find that she can instantly regenerate even after total annihilation.

Now let's talk about Yogiri. The following information is based on the things we know so far and it is subject to change according to what happens in the future: Do you remember that chapter where we see him as a child for the first time? In that chapter, Yogiri mentions that he was called "Okakushi-sama" by others. The translator did a good job on their part to convey the meaning of the title, but they unfortunately didn't get what it actually means or implies, likely due to the lack of understanding of his abilities, past, and other things that we get to know later on. "Okakushi-sama" actually means 'The Lord that conceals others' in the context of this series. If you ever read the novel, you'll realize that although the author keeps his true identity a secret as much as possible, but he doesn't forget to give us hints (even though it rarely happens). He did give a character meta-ability specifically for the purpose of revealing a major part of his identity in the beginning phase of the story (as you see in the latest chapter of the manga), so we can't really complain much about it.

To put it simply, Yogiri is the personification of True Nonexistence (aka, true The END of everything), unlike what the misleading title and other stuff would lead you to believe (why do you think fate and plot are less than a joke before him?). When he 'kills' someone or something, he basically 'conceals' their existence or nonexistence within himself. This is also why no kind of immortality or regeneration ever works against him.

From the novel:


As you can see for yourself, there's simply no way to escape from his grasp, no matter who you are or what you do. So, although we have yet to see their confrontation, it should not be surprising for UEG to end up just like others, even if she already has Pure Nonexistence.



Gods have a hierarchy based on their divinity, and the higher a god is in the hierarchy, the more potent their authority, powers and stats are.

To make it easier for you to understand:

1) True God: Can exist as Pure Nonexistence and able to casually play around with Higher-Order Gods.

2) Higher-Order God: Mighty enough to do things that are impossible for a non-smurf multiversal being.

3) Mid-Order God: Someone who can even create overpowered Standard Gods with their own ability.

4) Standard God: Rules over a Heavenly Record, which is a 4-D structure with multiple timelines.

Do you notice how a god that is higher in the hierarchy, is quite a superior existence to the one below them? Hope this helps you to have a better understanding.

ty for the explanation

 

[AZeron420]

Well, if you have only read the manga adaptation, it'd mean that you're not even done with Volume 2 of the novel (which is just the beginning phase of the story, as there's 10 volumes out there).

UEG is basically the most 'Anti-Yogiri' character that has ever appeared in the series:

Spoiler

Because she can't be killed for good no matter what her opponent tries against her (even nonexistence erasure is useless).

Before I answer your questions, you need to first understand the three levels of nonexistence:
1) Conceptual Nonexistence (Nonexistence but with a defined form) [you can think of it as baseline NEP Type 2]
2) Pure Nonexistence (Nonexistence without any set definition to explain it)
3) True Nonexistence (Final point for anything and everything where you fully become part of the boundless nonexistence, with anything that defines you as "I" totally erased)

Since you literally asked for spoilers:

Spoiler: Wall of Text

UEG exists at the level of Pure Nonexistence, so you can easily imagine how hard it'd be to kill her in the first place. Things become even more troublesome when you find that she can instantly regenerate even after total annihilation.

Now let's talk about Yogiri. The following information is based on the things we know so far and it is subject to change according to what happens in the future: Do you remember that chapter where we see him as a child for the first time? In that chapter, Yogiri mentions that he was called "Okakushi-sama" by others. The translator did a good job on their part to convey the meaning of the title, but they unfortunately didn't get what it actually means or implies, likely due to the lack of understanding of his abilities, past, and other things that we get to know later on. "Okakushi-sama" actually means 'The Lord that conceals others' in the context of this series. If you ever read the novel, you'll realize that although the author keeps his true identity a secret as much as possible, but he doesn't forget to give us hints (even though it rarely happens). He did give a character meta-ability specifically for the purpose of revealing a major part of his identity in the beginning phase of the story (as you see in the latest chapter of the manga), so we can't really complain much about it.

To put it simply, Yogiri is the personification of True Nonexistence (aka, true The END of everything), unlike what the misleading title and other stuff would lead you to believe (why do you think fate and plot are less than a joke before him?). When he 'kills' someone or something, he basically 'conceals' their existence or nonexistence within himself. This is also why no kind of immortality or regeneration ever works against him.

From the novel:


As you can see for yourself, there's simply no way to escape from his grasp, no matter who you are or what you do. So, although we have yet to see their confrontation, it should not be surprising for UEG to end up just like others, even if she already has Pure Nonexistence.



Gods have a hierarchy based on their divinity, and the higher a god is in the hierarchy, the more potent their authority, powers and stats are.

To make it easier for you to understand:

1) True God: Can exist as Pure Nonexistence and able to casually play around with Higher-Order Gods.

2) Higher-Order God: Mighty enough to do things that are impossible for a non-smurf multiversal being.

3) Mid-Order God: Someone who can even create overpowered Standard Gods with their own ability.

4) Standard God: Rules over a Heavenly Record, which is a 4-D structure with multiple timelines.

Do you notice how a god that is higher in the hierarchy, is quite a superior existence to the one below them? Hope this helps you to have a better understanding.

Oh. Thanks. I understand now. So there are even higher-dimensional being here huh. This story now seems like a watered-down suggsverse but a good one. I feel like this verse will reach Tier-1 someday with all the shit that's going on.

 

[Kerwin0831]

Is this information from the raw volumes? If so where can I gain access?

 

[Ian2296]

Gods have a hierarchy based on their divinity, and the higher a god is in the hierarchy, the more potent their authority, powers and stats are.

To make it easier for you to understand:

1) True God: Can exist as Pure Nonexistence and able to casually play around with Higher-Order Gods.

2) Higher-Order God: Mighty enough to do things that are impossible for a non-smurf multiversal being.

3) Mid-Order God: Someone who can even create overpowered Standard Gods with their own ability.

4) Standard God: Rules over a Heavenly Record, which is a 4-D structure with multiple timelines.

Do you notice how a god that is higher in the hierarchy, is quite a superior existence to the one below them? Hope this helps you to have a better understanding.[/SPOILER]

So it's similar to Maou Gakuin? The deeper the layers in silver sea, the stronger the inhabitants become, even if you can destroy a world in the upper/shallow worlds, you can't scratch even a single ship in the deeper worlds.

 

[AZeron420]

Gods have a hierarchy based on their divinity, and the higher a god is in the hierarchy, the more potent their authority, powers and stats are.

To make it easier for you to understand:

1) True God: Can exist as Pure Nonexistence and able to casually play around with Higher-Order Gods.

2) Higher-Order God: Mighty enough to do things that are impossible for a non-smurf multiversal being.

3) Mid-Order God: Someone who can even create overpowered Standard Gods with their own ability.

4) Standard God: Rules over a Heavenly Record, which is a 4-D structure with multiple timelines.

This just hit me but then, what level was Vanhanto and her Devil God husband ? They called themselves Gods but they weren't as powerful as even an standard God from what they showed.

 

[Gemstic]

So it's similar to Maou Gakuin? The deeper the layers in silver sea, the stronger the inhabitants become, even if you can destroy a world in the upper/shallow worlds, you can't scratch even a single ship in the deeper worlds.

Basically, a higher-order existence is unaffected by the powers and abilities of a lower-order being due to their existential superiority, unless they purposefully lower their stats like UEG. Of course, there's exceptions for everything.

This just hit me but then, what level was Vanhanto and her Devil God husband ? They called themselves Gods but they weren't as powerful as even an standard God from what they showed.

Actually, Vahanato was just extremely unlucky. The Fate (that works on Type 4 Acausals) was against her and she was sneak-attacked by a being that specializes in killing Gods (not to mention, the Final End of Everything was present too). As for her husband, he seems to be a pretty low-ranked God, as even his younger sister was way stronger than him. Also, the power of a God is restricted when they act in the domain of another God without their permission. Both Vahanato and her husband made that mistake, so it's no wonder that they don't appear even as powerful as a standard God. Besides, there's multiple levels to standard Gods (that is, they don't have the same degree of strength). For example, there's a standard God that was able to win against six other standard Gods in a 1 vs 6 fight.

 

[AZeron420]

The Fate (that works on Type 4 Acausals) was against her and she was sneak-attacked by a being that specializes in killing Gods

By this, do you mean Aoi, Holy Queen, Rainer or that Stabby-robot that came outta nowhere ?

Also, the power of a God is restricted when they act in the domain of another God without their permission.

Who's the God that rules the domain where Sion and other sages live ?

 

[Gemstic]

By this, do you mean Aoi, Holy Queen, Rainer or that Stabby-robot that came outta nowhere ?

Yes, that 'stabby-robot'. Its actual name is Hedgehog.

Who's the God that rules the domain where Sion and other sages live ?

The former ruler was a Dragon God, who was later defeated by a pair of female Gods (Malna & Rilna) that were created by a Mid-Order God.

 

[AZeron420]

The former ruler was a Dragon God, who was later defeated by a pair of female Gods (Malna & Rilna) that were created by a Mid-Order God.

So who's the current God then ? None ?

 

[Muhsula]

The current God who rule the heavenly record yogiri currently in is the dragon god. He take back his domain after yogiri kill rilna and Miranda (the wandered witch who was task to kill yogiri but got afraid instead) kill malna. To put it simply, he take advantage of yogiri and Miranda situation to defeat malna rilna since he can't do that by himself.

 

[Ian2296]

To put it simply, Yogiri is the personification of True Nonexistence (aka, true The END of everything), unlike what the misleading title and other stuff would lead you to believe (why do you think fate and plot are less than a joke before him?). When he 'kills' someone or something, he basically 'conceals' their existence or nonexistence within himself. This is also why no kind of immortality or regeneration ever works against him.

so why does he doesn't have NEP2 on his profile?

 

[Muhsula]

We safe that for the next CRT, Since we plan to upgrade the whole things, not just yogiri. But we plan to wait for next volume to conclude first since in next volume yogiri will kill UEG, so we can officially compare him to UEG. Not to mention that we probably can get more context about the verse as well. It's probably going to be pretty big CRT. So rather than one by one, might as well make it all at once.

 

[Ian2296]

alright, can't wait for the big upgrade

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

gotta nuke the verse before they get more strong

 

[AZeron420]

What tier do you guys think this verse will reach by the end of the series ? Also, since Yogurt is The End; I hope there is a Beginning counterpart to him.

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

Also, since Yogurt is The End; I hope there is a Beginning counterpart to him.

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