In Depth High 1-B Explanation

[Sera_EX]

Hello. Ventus has brought up something to me in private regarding High 1-B. He was supposed to ask the Staff about it but recent events have prevented him from doing so. There are an increasing number of users, most who are very familiar with our Tiering System that believe to be qualify for 1-A status, you must be infinitely greater than an infinite-dimensional structure or "Hilbert Space". Ven has told me several times in the past that this is not true. He has explained it to me that even if you are infinitely superior to an infinite-dimensional space "an infinite number of times", you are still High 1-B and that you need to be beyond the concepts of space and time or beyond the concept of dimensions altogether in order to qualify for 1-A. Basically, like 1-A, there are several degrees of High 1-B because an infinite-dimensional structure is still "infinite". Even if you are more than countably infinite times greater than an infinite-dimensional space, you are just a higher magnitude of High 1-B, not 1-A. Should there be an explanation added in the High 1-B or 1-A section of the Tier System to prevent further confusion or better yet, do you agree with Ven's reasoning?

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[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah, it has to do with the difference between Countable Infintiy and Uncountable Infinity. And to be 1-A, those very ideas have to not matter or exist to you.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I agree with this, being infinetly greater than an infinite dimensional structure doesn't make you 1-A. I thought this was clear by the explanations in the tiering page, the definition of 1-A literally says that it's characters that have no dimensional limits and are beyond all concepts of time and space, infinity is still a concept so it doesn't matter if you are infinity superior to infinite dimensions.

 

[Promestein]

Makes sense to me.

 

[Sera_EX]

Indeed. He has stressed this but has been told countless times that he is wrong, though Ven knows the upper echelons of the tiering system extremely well. He said "High 1-B is similar to 1-A in terms that infinity no longer matters. This excludes the absolute boundlessness or 'True Infinity'."

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

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@Celestial: I don't think this was made in the Tiering System page.

To the topic, i can agree with this.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Cross i was talking about 1-A being beyond dimensional limitations and concepts of space and time being said in the tiering, however yes it isn't said in the tiering page that being infinetly superior to an infinite dimensional structure is still only High 1-B, i think that should be added.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Oh. Your comment didn't make clear a bit on that. But you are right on what makes someone 1-A. Along with what Matt said above before you as well.

A note regarding of High 1-B about that should be made and noted on the page.

 

[Antvasima]

I obviously agree with this, as I thought that it was self-evident.

How do you think that we should word the note for the High 1-B description?

 

[Antvasima]

Something like the following?

"Even if a character is a more than countably infinite number of times superior to an infinite-dimensional space, or similar, it would still usually only qualify for High 1-B, as long as the character does not transcend the concepts of time and space altogether."

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

That seems fine

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

That works fine with me. Anyone fine with Ant's wording?

 

[Antvasima]

I am open for adjustments/improvements of the text.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Antvasima

That description looks fine. Just a quick question. Is it replacing our description for High 1-B or supplementing it?

 

[Antvasima]

Supplementing it.

 

[Reppuzan]

Then I'm all for it.

 

[Sera_EX]

I second what Reppuzan said.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

makes sense me thinks

 

[Antvasima]

I have made the addition to the Tiering System page.