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I want to talk about an issue regarding the interaction of the SBA and Type 9 Immortality (or similar abilities).
According to the Standard Battle Assumptions Characters start at most 4 km away from each others.
That means the characters themself are within that range. Not just a drone they usually control from a distance, or a summoned being they control or a shadow clone or anything like that.
However, that stands at odds with how we treat Type 9 Immortality (and similar abilities). If the characters true self is present within 4 km of the other character, then it isn't on some other plane, meaning type 9 would by SBA not really come into effect. So the question I want to ask is: In which cases does the standard distance of the SBA take priority over type 9 Immortality and in which cases does it not?
I think looking at a few example cases might be a good start.
Example 1: Can't exist on the same plane
A typical example for this case would be a higher dimensional character or a character that views the world as fiction.
However, for a concrete example let's take the Mazoku from Slayers. Their true form exists on the astral plane and they basically use puppets to act in the physical world.
As their true form (their astral body) can't really exist in the physical plane, there is no reasonable way to enforce the 4km distance rule here.
So I think we can safely say that in this case type 9 takes priority.
Example 2: Remote Controlled Weapons
I believe this is usually not even viewed as type 9, but since it is a similar case I want to bring it up.
These characters don't create avatars of their true form, but instead just send other remote controlled things to fight for them. However, notably different from example 1 their true forms could in principle exist on the plane that the fight takes place on.
An example for this would be Kouzaku Mitori who sends a doll that she remote controls via supernatural powers to fight for her or Baba Yoshio who fights by remote controlling robots.
I think by current practice these wouldn't be exempt from standard distance requirements.
Example 3: Remote Controlled Copies
I think this is the most common form of type 9. The true form essentially exists on the same (kind of) plane, but just in a hard to reach / distant place. It then usually creates some copies of itself to fight.
As example for this I would bring up Potimas Harrifenas. He always sits around in his elf village, which is protected by a near unbreakable barrier. In order to act in the outside world he sends out cyborg copies of himself that he controls through a skill.
Better known examples might be Caster (Merlin), who lives in Avalon and creates projections to battle, or Mukuro Rokudo, who's real body lives in an underground prison and creates illusion clones to fight.
I think this kind of situation is the controversial one. The line between example 2 and this one is thin. One can justifiably ask why someone that remote controls robots from a safe distance has to physically appear in reach, while someone that uses robot clones doesn't. Or why someone controlling a physical doll by supernatural means has to come and someone to projects an avatar doesn't.
We should clarify where the line is, why it is there and then update the SBA accordingly.
According to the Standard Battle Assumptions Characters start at most 4 km away from each others.
That means the characters themself are within that range. Not just a drone they usually control from a distance, or a summoned being they control or a shadow clone or anything like that.
However, that stands at odds with how we treat Type 9 Immortality (and similar abilities). If the characters true self is present within 4 km of the other character, then it isn't on some other plane, meaning type 9 would by SBA not really come into effect. So the question I want to ask is: In which cases does the standard distance of the SBA take priority over type 9 Immortality and in which cases does it not?
I think looking at a few example cases might be a good start.
Example 1: Can't exist on the same plane
A typical example for this case would be a higher dimensional character or a character that views the world as fiction.
However, for a concrete example let's take the Mazoku from Slayers. Their true form exists on the astral plane and they basically use puppets to act in the physical world.
As their true form (their astral body) can't really exist in the physical plane, there is no reasonable way to enforce the 4km distance rule here.
So I think we can safely say that in this case type 9 takes priority.
Example 2: Remote Controlled Weapons
I believe this is usually not even viewed as type 9, but since it is a similar case I want to bring it up.
These characters don't create avatars of their true form, but instead just send other remote controlled things to fight for them. However, notably different from example 1 their true forms could in principle exist on the plane that the fight takes place on.
An example for this would be Kouzaku Mitori who sends a doll that she remote controls via supernatural powers to fight for her or Baba Yoshio who fights by remote controlling robots.
I think by current practice these wouldn't be exempt from standard distance requirements.
Example 3: Remote Controlled Copies
I think this is the most common form of type 9. The true form essentially exists on the same (kind of) plane, but just in a hard to reach / distant place. It then usually creates some copies of itself to fight.
As example for this I would bring up Potimas Harrifenas. He always sits around in his elf village, which is protected by a near unbreakable barrier. In order to act in the outside world he sends out cyborg copies of himself that he controls through a skill.
Better known examples might be Caster (Merlin), who lives in Avalon and creates projections to battle, or Mukuro Rokudo, who's real body lives in an underground prison and creates illusion clones to fight.
I think this kind of situation is the controversial one. The line between example 2 and this one is thin. One can justifiably ask why someone that remote controls robots from a safe distance has to physically appear in reach, while someone that uses robot clones doesn't. Or why someone controlling a physical doll by supernatural means has to come and someone to projects an avatar doesn't.
We should clarify where the line is, why it is there and then update the SBA accordingly.
