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I also very much agree with Monarch.
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Simply change "transcend linear time" to "movement beyond linear time" and perhaps add DarkLK explanation of the speed formula or Sera's more in-depth version in a note.
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Simple:
Movement in a realm without space or time does not mean a character has immeasurable speed within a realm of space and time, because there is no distance or time to be measured in the first place.
Movement in a realm without space or time does not mean a character has immeasurable speed within a realm of space and time, because there is no distance or time to be measured in the first place.
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Which profiles on the Wiki will be affected if this change were to be made?
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All of the profiles that currently have immeasurable speed due to moving in a space without time.
We might have to start another thread for the whole community in order to find and list all of them though.
We might have to start another thread for the whole community in order to find and list all of them though.
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@Lina Sounds fine
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Shit storm-ish bits aside, can someone quickly give me a run down of whats the new hopefullynotcomplicatedagain definition of Immeasurable will be if we're even still keeping it at this point will be based on?
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Movement beyond linear time. This is why the speed cannot be measured. S = D/T. If T is undefined than the speed formula cannot be applied. Same reason why multiple temporal dimensions grants immeasurable speed.CrossverseCrisis said:
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Is there an example of someone with multiple temporal dimensions and how that affects them?
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In practice, everyone who moves freely trough time (with that i mean, who is Immeasurable) has a higher temporal dimension that they perceive linearly just how we perceive regular time.
Think about the phrase "before that timeline was destroyed". There is no "before" if you follow linear time. The "before" exists only if you consider a higher dimension of time, which is how a Immeasurable being perceive causality.
Think about the phrase "before that timeline was destroyed". There is no "before" if you follow linear time. The "before" exists only if you consider a higher dimension of time, which is how a Immeasurable being perceive causality.
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Thank you for the help Sera. Since we seem to have solved how we should revise the definition, I am waiting for Kavpeny to get the time to reply. We may need his help to organise the practical profile revisions.
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Mr.Mxys 5D status give him both higher temporal and spatial nature. He sees 3D beings as spatially flat and he is also ball of time in the Multiverse.
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Also, yes, Mxyzptlk and other 5D imps were stated to encompass and move freely through "hypertime", essentially branching timeline possibilities constantly diverging from and merging with each other.
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@Sera: Thanks. 
@Matt and Ant: Wonder if we had more characters like that on here...probably would have been good to have more examples like with Mxyzptlk, aye
@Matt and Ant: Wonder if we had more characters like that on here...probably would have been good to have more examples like with Mxyzptlk, aye
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Kavpeny has told me that he will try to help out with organising the practical revisions.
In the meantime, are everybody okay with if I revise the Speed page based on the following comments by Sera and Ven?
"Movement beyond linear time. This is why the speed cannot be measured. S = D/T. If T is undefined than the speed formula cannot be applied. Same reason why multiple temporal dimensions grants immeasurable speed."
"Movement in a realm without space or time does not mean a character has immeasurable speed within a realm of space and time, because there is no distance or time to be measured in the first place."
In the meantime, are everybody okay with if I revise the Speed page based on the following comments by Sera and Ven?
"Movement beyond linear time. This is why the speed cannot be measured. S = D/T. If T is undefined than the speed formula cannot be applied. Same reason why multiple temporal dimensions grants immeasurable speed."
"Movement in a realm without space or time does not mean a character has immeasurable speed within a realm of space and time, because there is no distance or time to be measured in the first place."
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Aite.
Oh yeah, that's another thing of it that came to my mind. If we had put something like this the last time we changed our definition? I probably would have understood it a lot better...just saying that out here.
Oh yeah, that's another thing of it that came to my mind. If we had put something like this the last time we changed our definition? I probably would have understood it a lot better...just saying that out here.
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Well just to say this here, Redgrave has some concerns (more or less) about the new change for Immeasurable. IDK if and/or when he'll comment here, but just saying that he has some questions (again, more or less) on it that probably could be of interest to here.
Just gonna leave it to him to come to here about it himself.
Just gonna leave it to him to come to here about it himself.
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well i just wonder here is that well we have a formula on speed and stuff but i just wonder how do we even know when the result will be well...infinite ik if it doesn't apply its immeasurable but how would that would with infinite speed anyway? I just thought if you are 4D you're already infinitely above a 3D person and can't exactly be comprehended...well take this with a grain of salt cause i'm no expert ofc just trying to give my two cents *shrugs*
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Being infinitely geometrically larger does not automatically translate into moving any swifter.
For example, if I remember correctly, if an object has moved a distance in 4 dimensions, A, B, C, and D, the velocity is calculated by:
Velocity = ΓΓͺΓ(A^2 + B^2 + C^2 + D^2) / Time
However, it has been a long time since I did math, so I might remember wrong.
For example, if I remember correctly, if an object has moved a distance in 4 dimensions, A, B, C, and D, the velocity is calculated by:
Velocity = ΓΓͺΓ(A^2 + B^2 + C^2 + D^2) / Time
However, it has been a long time since I did math, so I might remember wrong.
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If you are 4D in the sense that you have 4 spatial dimensions, the speed is still measurable by normal means. The V=S/T formula can be applied to any number of spatial dimensions, as long as there is a single temporal dimension.
The only real problem that a 3D being would have would be gathering the data about the 4D one moving, because it's unable to perceive its movement in its entirety. But if it was given the data about it, the 3D being would be able to calculate the speed.
The only real problem that a 3D being would have would be gathering the data about the 4D one moving, because it's unable to perceive its movement in its entirety. But if it was given the data about it, the 3D being would be able to calculate the speed.
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Yep, it's good.
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I have now performed some changes to the speed page:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/index.php?title=Speed&diff=1390342&oldid=1320325
Please inform me if I have made any errors.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/index.php?title=Speed&diff=1390342&oldid=1320325
Please inform me if I have made any errors.
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