Im acctually losing my mind

[Puppet43]

So i recently hear the news that creations feats had been accepted as a form of UES and thanks to that they put Genshin into the 4B

So lets cook a bit something unimaginable, Tier 2 Genshin

Gods Scaling:

• Havria was able to create a bottomless jar, with bottomless being able to mean "It has no limit or end", meaning that it terms of scaling, this put Havria at worst in High 3A, this is also consistent with her being able to create infinite salt, which would be infinite mass
• Havria was stated to be one of the weakest if not the weakest god in genshin, which would scale all Gods above her
• "But havria was killed by a sword" even do this seems like an anti feat, it is stated that the sword was similar in power to her
• It is stated 2 times that gods live in a plane superior to that of humans and also a character able to par with Hydro Traveler was stated to be superior to the material world, a meaning of material world is the universe, so this 2 statments are impliying that Gods and Characters in that tier are 4D Entities, which at worst would scaled them at Low 2C

Characters affected by this Scaling:

• Andrius (Prime) by being able to par with Decarabian, the god of storms
• Xiao as his story revolvs around him defeating gods
• Shenhe same as Xiao
• Neuvillette (Post 4.2) as in the 4th Anniversary Magazine dedicated to Genshin they mention he was superior to gods (Do this doesnt include archons, as they refer to them by Demon God)
• All Devouring Narwhal scaling of Amp Neuvi
• Skirk implied to be able to defeat the narwhal

Archons Scaling:

• This scaling would put Archons at 2C, so lets get started
• Nahida power is what feed the akasha to create the Samsara festival
• Samsara is shown to have its own time separated from Teyvat
• Samsara is stated to have countless spaces, do we only know of 3, which this, we can conclude that Samsara is at least 2C by having more than 1 Space Time Continiuums

Characters affected by this Scaling:

• Zhongli, Ei, Nahida by scaling of 3.0 Nahida who was stated as weaker than convencional archons because she had no followers
• Azhdaha by matching Zhongli
• Raiden Puppet by matching Ei
• Shouki no Kami and Dottore implied and shown to be superior to Nahida
• Wanderer shown to be superior to a 1:1 replica of Shouki no Kami
• Traveler (Since Inazuma) in Inazuma is shown to be somehow able to maintain his ground against Ei and in Sumeru was implied to be superior to Nahida and relative to Shouki
• Iniquitous for reasons shown in Profile
• Bug of the Oasis for reasons shown in Profile

Why isnt Arle nor Cyno in this? Cyno cant be scaled to Full Power Wanderer, since is stated that Wanderer was not participating to win, but to watch over others, which implies he didnt went all while Arle doesnt directly to Traveler, as 1st he didnt shown any signs of physical being hurted and 2nd Traveler is implied to be weaken, lack of sleep produces the next and it would be inconsistent with only top 3 Harbingers being god lvl

Celestia Scaling:

• The Heavenly Principles are stated to created all laws of Teyvat
• In the book Scroll of the Streaming Song is stated that the Heavens had created the laws of Teyvat, impliying that Heavens is a synonym of Heavenly Principles
• The 7 Nations were submitted by the Heavens, which implies that Celestia Beings upscale all Teyvat Beings
• The Shades were confirmed to be stronger than Archons
• This would put them at 2C or 2B (As they are significally stronger than Archons)

Characters affected by this Scaling:

• Apep able to fight against Celestia Shades
• Dvalin, stated to have Celestia origins as shown previously Heavens = Celestia
• Durin and Venti scaling off Dvalin

Agree: @DarkMatterEnergy254
Disagree: @Giannysmag, @Da3ggman, @Ar1216789
Neutral: @Woomica (Disagrees with High 3A, Low 2C)

 

[Ednaxel2]

Me too man

 

[Puppet43]

Me too man

Lol

 

[Mongus_Congus]

This is what Forbidden Knowledge does to a mf

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Tier 2 archons ong.

 

[Le'garde273]

This post should be belong here

 

[Puppet43]

This is what Forbidden Knowledge does to a mf

THE TIER 2 AGENDA HAS CONSUMMED ME

 

[Giannysmag]

Agree with everything /hj

 

[Voidnether]

This post should be belong here

Small Genshin Cosmology Update with New God tier suggestion

This thread will be about the totality of Genshin Universe, not just Teyvat. As we all know, Genshin Impact is a part of Honkai Universe (Cosmology). Genshin has its own space-time structure. There're planets beside the one Teyvat is located. Narwhal is a creature from another world (planet)...

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[Le'garde273]

Small Genshin Cosmology Update with New God tier suggestion

This thread will be about the totality of Genshin Universe, not just Teyvat. As we all know, Genshin Impact is a part of Honkai Universe (Cosmology). Genshin has its own space-time structure. There're planets beside the one Teyvat is located. Narwhal is a creature from another world (planet)...

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May i know what this supposed to do? Seems completely different context with op

 

[Voidnether]

May i know what this supposed to do? Seems completely different context with op

2-C for Primordial One and Low 2-C for Istaroth I guess

Tier 2 is definitely real, archons should be tier 2 and vision holders should be 4-A tbh

 

[Woomica]

2-C for Primordial One and Low 2-C for Istaroth I guess

Tier 2 is definitely real, archons should be tier 2 and vision holders should be 4-A tbh

Nah we should make a wanking competition and verse that gets succesfully wanked to tier 0 should stay tier 0 while others drop to 10-C(ock)

 

[Le'garde273]

2-C for Primordial One and Low 2-C for Istaroth I guess

Tier 2 is definitely real, archons should be tier 2 and vision holders should be 4-A tbh

Yeah definitely out of context the cosmology.

While i have my own interpretation about tier 2 heavenly principle, but that wasn't the case here. While i don't complain about thing in weaver thread (i don't see it's wrong about cosmology he brought, but there's still
many thing can be bring in his thread according to my knowledge especially about light realm and void realm)

Do you even realize how mess the feats brought up in the op? It's totally lack of context and misinterpretation. For example he said archon was 4D but literally use the scan of narzizenkruz using primordial sea authority which literally had nothing to do with archon or gods. That's just the beginning

 

[Puppet43]

he scan of narzizenkruz using primordial sea authority which literally had nothing to do with archon or gods.

You mean mine scan?

 

[Mongus_Congus]

Nah we should make a wanking competition and verse that gets succesfully wanked to tier 0 should stay tier 0 while others drop to 10-C(ock)

I can make Mimo (Hoyolab mascot) High 1-A from R>F Yog Sothoth and comp hoyoverse, then Unusual hilichurl over transcending that and getting 0 and then the two translation team guys from the 5.1 livestream above tier 0++ for omegatranscending all the stuff

 

[Furina003]

I will follow this, because I bot yet understand where it leads.

 

[Spinoirr]

You crazy madman

If this gets accepted we'll have dbs battles

 

[Woomica]

You crazy madman

If this gets accepted we'll have dbs battles

goku after getting mindhaxxed by green child god

 

[Weaver261]

Tier 4 archons already got applied. Tier 2 is also possible now. Just go all the way in :3
Jokes aside, Heavenly Principle and shades should get 2-C. But archons and local gods being tier 2 too? That's hella of a time we're living in.

 

[Puppet43]

But archons and local gods being tier 2 too? That's hella of a time we're living in.

im high up

 

[Da3ggman]

Havria was able to create a bottomless jar, with bottomless being able to mean "It has no limit or end", meaning that it terms of scaling, this put Havria at worst in High 3A

Means nothing without any further context; could just be some form of spatial manipulation.

this is also consistent with her being able to create infinite salt, which would be infinite mass

Endless =/= Infinite on the wiki. Even without that, Endless can simply mean a lot of something; the character can simply just mean that the amount of salt produced is seemingly endless, or is so abundant that people can’t use up all of it. Neither of these mean literally infinity amounts of matter are being produced.

It is stated 2 times that gods live in a plane superior to that of humans

Means nothing.

also a character able to par with Hydro Traveler was stated to be superior to the material world

The scan shows someone that says their attack “transcends the laws of the material world”, not the material world itself.

I don’t see anything remotely indicating Tier 2. Then again, I don’t know Genshin Impact, so if you add more context to the statements, I could definitely change my mind. Until then though, I disagree.

 

[Weaver261]

It is stated 2 times that gods live in a plane superior to that of humans and also a character able to par with Hydro Traveler was stated to be superior to the material world, a meaning of material world is the universe, so this 2 statments are impliying that Gods and Characters in that tier are 4D Entities, which at worst would scaled them at Low 2C

Since we all are genshin glazers and wankers here. I will double and triple it down. Archons have something called Realm of Consciousness. And it's not like Plane Of Euthymia which is created inside the mind and the sword. Yae miko stated the nature of ROC and Ei's realm is different. Yae miko stated that ROC is a very abstract concept. Also stated as abstract space. Yae miko also said that it's abstract but it has a location and she can't pinpoint the exact location due to chaos. It's clear that ROC is not just a mental world but rather an abstract spatial space. When traveler passed through the gate of makoto's ROC, we can see times going forward and backward at the same time and traveler even stated that. More over, planting the seed of sacred sakura tree inside makoto's realm make the seed takes root in the past and changing the dire future.
The conclusion here is ROC is a higher dimensional space that transcends time.

 

[Spinoirr]

Endless =/= Infinite on the wiki. Even without that, Endless can simply mean a lot of something; the character can simply just mean that the amount of salt produced is seemingly endless, or is so abundant that people can’t use up all of it. Neither of these mean literally infinity amounts of matter are being produced.

Endless means infinite tho

Given that "endless" is taken nowadays as meaning "infinite," this is accepted for Xenoblade's cosmology

 

[Giannysmag]

Means nothing without any further context; could just be some form of spatial manipulation.

Endless =/= Infinite on the wiki. Even without that, Endless can simply mean a lot of something; the character can simply just mean that the amount of salt produced is seemingly endless, or is so abundant that people can’t use up all of it. Neither of these mean literally infinity amounts of matter are being produced.

Means nothing.

The scan shows someone that says their attack “transcends the laws of the material world”, not the material world itself.

I don’t see anything remotely indicating Tier 2. Then again, I don’t know Genshin Impact, so if you add more context to the statements, I could definitely change my mind. Until then though, I disagree.

Ok I was joking around before but you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Non of this actually qualifies for Tier 2

• Nahida power is what feed the akasha to create the Samsara festival

The scan here actually says the opposite "Lesser Lord Kusanali's Gnosis has been used to power the Akasha this entire time. By herself she has neither the raw power of an Archon nor the spectacular insight expected of the God of Wisdom"

Paimon is explicitely telling us that this isn't Nahida's power but the Gnosis'

• Samsara is shown to have its own time separated from Teyvat
• Samsara is stated to have countless spaces, do we only know of 3, which this, we can conclude that Samsara is at least 2C by having more than 1 Space Time Continiuums

This is a fundemental misrepresentation of what the Samsara is. The Samsara is a dream that the sages trapped the people of Sumeru in, while also separating them from their own dreams so that they can harvest them. The countless empty spaces the Traveler mentioned are the dreams taken from the people and left without a host.

None of these are actual physical spaces-times and definately don't qualify for Tier 2.

So yea hard disagree, now if you'll excuse me I'm off to debunk everyone back down to Tier 6.

 

[SeijiSetto]

Endless means infinite tho

Given that "endless" is taken nowadays as meaning "infinite," this is accepted for Xenoblade's cosmology

specifically here there's a difference
something like "endless parallel worlds" would imply an infinite number existing
"endless salt" could just be a normal salt shaker or something that never runs out, not that an infinite amount of matter is being created at once
it's why in verses with energy systems and such, infinite energy =/= High 3-A because you have to show they can expend an infinite amount at once

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

So tier 2 furina? Bill cipher solos

 

[DarkMatterEnergy254]

Agree

 

[Puppet43]

Means nothing without any further context

What context in creating a onf size jar?

Means nothing.

Living indeed in a higher plane that 3D being indeed means something

The scan shows someone that says their attack “transcends the laws of the material world”, not the material world itself.

Laws of nature are what compositted the nature, so in some context it would mean
Narz > Laws of Material World >Material World (3D)

 

[Puppet43]

So tier 2 furina?

Furina aint archon buddy

 

[Puppet43]

"endless salt" could just be a normal salt shaker or something that never runs out, not that an infinite amount of matter is being created at once

Sorry to dont give more context in the initial CTR, but exactly it creates inf salt

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Furina aint archon buddy

Damn, i mean I don't really care cause I don't play genshin so like tier 2 raiden then right?

 

[Giannysmag]

Notice how Puppet responded to everyone but me. Blud knows he is gonna get cooked and is trying to avoid the smoke

 

[Nierre]

common gianny W fra

 

[Spinoirr]

Notice how Puppet responded to everyone but me. Blud knows he is gonna get cooked and is trying to avoid the smoke

Or you're not worth it

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Or you're not worth it

Nah she is

 

[Giannysmag]

Or you're not worth it

I respectfully disagree

 

[Giannysmag]

Nah she is

He a little confused but he got the point

 

[Ar1216789]

no

 

[SeijiSetto]

Sorry to dont give more context in the initial CTR, but exactly it creates inf salt

this is literally the counterexample i gave, except it's a bowl instead of a salt shaker lol
a bowl that is half-full of salt and is forever half-full just means the salt is created endlessly inside the thing so it never runs out, not that there is a literally infinite amount of salt already present in the thing.
additionally the "bottomless" statement actually comes from this same scene, it's not like it's referring to the thing actually not having a bottom (clearly it DOES because it can be half-full)

 

[Breakdown]

The poem from the end of the Shogun’s demo applies here.

Waking world, you seem

Woven from the stuff of dreams:

All shall fade away.

As does the second Kizuna Text of Yog Sotthoth from GGZ, oddly enough. It’s long, so I bolded the important part.

At that time, in the Jetavana-vihara.The Buddha preached a sermon to Subhūti, and Ānanda took themselves to taking notes."... Having developed the mind of Avalokiteśvara, one should live as this, and surrender your heart like this.""... Yet of the immeasurable, boundless numbers of living beings thus taken across to extinction, there is actually no living being taken across to extinction. And why? Subhūti, if a Bodhisattva has a mark of self, a mark of others, a mark of living beings, or a mark of a life, he is not a Bodhisattva.""All you Bhikṣus should know that the dharma which I speak is like a raft. Even the dharma should be relinquished, how much the more so what is not dharmas."In the case of the Thirty-One Bhikṣus, the words were like the blossoms of lotuses, and the law was solemn, the preaching suddenly stopped.Ānanda was in a daze, and when they raised their head, they saw the Buddha staring into the void. Though here, it seemed that he was far away.Under the great sun, a bubble came out, without wisdom without gain, like a crystal, that is, appearing and disappearingThe Buddha laughed silently, and then they obtained the Thirty-Second Bhiksus."All conditioned phenomena, are like a dream, an illusion, a bubble, a shadow. Like the dew, or like lightning. You should discern them like this."All the disciples were convinced and bowed their heads and said "This is how the Sutra ends."Only Ānanda, although finished with the sutra he wrote, was still thinking about the bubble of time in his heart, where the delay was indescribable.

Reality in Hoyoverse is likened unto a dream. More than once, so dreams should be considered genuine spaces. I agree with the upgrade, but since there were countless Sabzereuz spaces as was stated, not just three, I think High 2-B should be the agenda, not 2-C. Just because we only encountered three, does not discredit the validity of the others. It would be impossible to directly encounter or know about a countless number of timelines.