If Fate servants were equal to their mythological counterparts then what would be their stats?

[-BANLK-]

I was really curious about this. I will start this off with a mythos character that I am knowledgeable about.

Arjuna: Attack potency- Universe level+ (Pashupata was stated to be able to destroy all of creation and existance along with gods which includes goddess/god of time.)

Speed- Unknown possibly at least massively hypersonic (Can match Indra's lightning bolts, can casually fire several millions of arrows at once.) likely MFTL (Should be comparable to Indra who oneshoted child Hanuman when he tried to eat the sun.)

Durability- Unknown but can tank several divine weapons, Much higher in his chariot (his chariot is magical and normally cannot be moved by outside forces as it contains the weight of the entire universe.)

Range- Unknown (His arrows can reach heavens.)

Striking strength- Mountain level with base arrows (He destroyed a mountain along with several other things thrown at him by Indra), Likely way higher he neutralized several Divine weapons thrown at him by Indra, Much higher with various Divine weapons, Universal+ (With Pashupata).

Standard equipment- Agni Gandiva (His bow),Pashupata,His conch,His chariot,His armour,His two set of quivers which contains infinite arrows and lastly he has tonnes of divine weapons each of which have different types of Hax and destructive capability.

 

[ZeroOmar]

i believe both karna and arjuna would be unstoppable if they were equal to their mythological counterparts

 

[-BANLK-]

So I have been looking around for some mythos Karna feats and decided to list his stats here just for the heck of it.

Karna: Attack potency- Unknown with Vasavi Shakti (It is an auto win weapon.)

Speed- Unknown possibly at least massively hypersonic (Comparable to Arjuna.) likely MFTL (Should be comparable to Indra.)

Durability- With Kavacha and Kundala possibly Universe level or Universe level+ (It was hinted that he could tank Arjuna's Pashupata.)

Range- Unknown but comparable to Arjuna.

Striking strength- Mountain level with base arrows (Comparable to Arjuna.) likely way higher he managed to push Arjuna's (Magical) chariot with his arrows which had the weight of the entire universe, Unknown with Vasavi Shakti (It is an auto win weapon.)

Standard equipment- He has tonnes of divine weapons each of which have different types of Hax and destructive capability.

 

[Shining_Trapezohedron]

i believe both karna and arjuna would be unstoppable if they were equal to their mythological counterparts

Yes, some servant would be unstoppable if they were to ever be based on their entire mythological counterpart. In fact, both Karna and Arjuna are quite literally the definition of OP and Hax at their mythological best. Now, all we need is a Fate Battle Royale between all of the Mythological god like Zeus,and Odin then it will be complete.

 

[Aresduelist]

well Rama is>>>>>>>Arjuna and Karna. Not just in real myth but in fate world as well.

He's avatar of Vishnu after all. Vishnu himself wields one of the strongest weapons in indian myth. and fate Rama can use that via his 2nd Noble Phantasm.

not just Vishnu's weapon, he can also use Shiva's Trishula and Pinaka.

 

[-BANLK-]

Well I don't know whether Rama is above Arjuna and Karna in Fate series, but anyways I came across this interesting feat while reading Mahabharata "he seized his sunken wheel with his two arms and endeavoured to lift it up with a great effort. Drawn up with force by Karna, the earth, which had swallowed up his wheel, rose up to a height of four fingers' breadth, with her seven islands and her hills and waters and forests." Karna freaking lifted the entire earth!!

Also some description of Karna vs Arjuna fight, "They continued to strike each other with arrows like two fierce elephants striking each other with their tusks. All the points of the compass then became shrouded with weapons and the very sun became invisible. Indeed, Karna and Partha, with their arrowy downpours, made the welkin one vast expanse of arrows without any space between, each clash of their arrows was shaking the world apart. Those two foremost of men, both accomplished in weapons, as they incessantly aimed and shot innumerable arrows, Beholding that wide-spread expanse of arrows, all the Kauravas and the Somakas became filled with fear. In that thick and awful darkness caused by arrows they were unable to see anything else." Damn talk about overpowered demigods......

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

As far as Rama goes- there are 2 main versions- the one from Ramayana, and the one from Ramcharitmanas. The Ramayana versions is not an avatar, but the one in Ramcharitmanas is an avatar. But even without being an avatar, Ram at the climax of Ramayana was still quite powerful- likely more than Arjuna.

 

[Aresduelist]

Well I don't know whether Rama is above Arjuna and Karna in Fate series,

Rama's 2nd NP (Vishnu Bhuja) is basically his arsenal of weapons. Pretty much like Gilgamesh

the difference is, he masters all of them thanks to Warrior's Blessing skill

the higher Rama's divinity, more weapon he can use. As current Rama's divinity reaches A-rank, he can operate as Lancer and Archer even while summoned as Saber.

lists of weapons he can use are:

- Chakram. not sure which chakrams but since this Rama is avatar of Vishnu its most likely Sudarshana Chakra. Sudarshana Chakra was said to be the most powerful weapon

- Shiva's Trident, Trishula. Legend said trishula could destroy 3 world(physical world, world of forefathers and world of mind) and is the deadliest weapon he have. in other words, surpassing Arjuna's pashupata

- Shiva's Bow, Pinaka which used to kill countless asuras and destroyed city of tripura

- the mace, Modhaki and Shikkari

- Javelin, shuuravara

etc

source : http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/6951-Fate-Grand-Order-Mats?p=2575849&viewfull=1#post2575849

not mention Rama survived from Cu Alter's Gae Bolg for days or even weeks. Something that instantly put Karna into near death state

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

To be fair Karna's armour wasn't in effect and he probably would have survived for almost as long if he didn't basically kill himself by firing Vasavi Shakti. We don't know if Rama can use the weapons true name/power as noble phantasms, he would probably use the weapons like how Karna uses Vasavi Shakti when not activated, as a regular weapon granted Karna uses it to devastating effect but it's still just a spear. This would also fit in with Vishnu Bhujas rank as an A rank noble phantasm. So instead of a noble phantasm that gives him like 60 A++ anti-country noble phantasm and 3 EX anti-world noble phantasms he would just have numerous non activated divine constructs, some probably even have powerful passive abilities. which coupled with Rama's stats and skills would mean that he destroy most servants and puts him at least on par with Karna and Arjuna.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

Karna doesnt need to use a trump card. His higher tier weapons are universal/universe level+ on their own.

 

[Aresduelist]

To be fair Karna's armour wasn't in effect and he probably would have survived for almost as long if he didn't basically kill himself by firing Vasavi Shakti. We don't know if Rama can use the weapons true name/power as noble phantasms, he would probably use the weapons like how Karna uses Vasavi Shakti when not activated, as a regular weapon granted Karna uses it to devastating effect but it's still just a spear. This would also fit in with Vishnu Bhujas rank as an A rank noble phantasm. So instead of a noble phantasm that gives him like 60 A++ anti-country noble phantasm and 3 EX anti-world noble phantasms he would just have numerous non activated divine constructs, some probably even have powerful passive abilities. which coupled with Rama's stats and skills would mean that he destroy most servants and puts him at least on par with Karna and Arjuna.

Karna has his armor active. Statement from FGO mats III about his armor refers to game mechanic. Pretty much like Siegfried's armor of fafnir and Herc's God Hand. Same thing happens to Cu Alter's rune magic skill. Karna's interlude also mentions about his armor. His armor probably canceled out the insta-kill effect of Gae Bolg but it cannot handle the spear's destructive power. well its not like kavacha makes him invincible. Vlad's kazliky bey could pierce it by spamming 3000++ stakes. Cu alter grail-upgraded gae bolg>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thousands of wodden stakes

All servants in lore have full access to their NPs. lets say Heracles. in lore he have both Nine lives and God hand. Not even original Herc in fate/stay night have both.

i highly doubt that. Instead of doing something to survive he uses a NP that burdens his body a lot. VS was no more than desperate move since he know he'll die anyway. Rama can stay for that long because Curse of Separation skill grants him battle continuation-like ability. Something that Karna dont have. Nightingale also helped him to survive

Indian astras in fate universe are got massively nerfed. just look at Pashupata. A world-destroyer weapon becomes an anti-unit NP that only effective against oppenent with divine trait.

Rama can use true power of those weapons via Martial's Blessing skill. But the description says power of those weapons are "close to Noble Phantasm" so they probably got heavilly nerfed. Still not making Rama less powerful though since i'm pretty a nerfed Trishula should be still on par with VS

 

[OwariNepgear]

If Arthur is according to his Arthurian Legend, i think he can't even reach building level with excalibur's feats were mostly cut through armors and break swords, and it can shines so brightly that make others blinded.

However, Excalibur's scabbard was mentioned "Wounds received by one wearing the scabbard did not bleed at all" is indeed a good Regenerationn feat.

 

[-BANLK-]

Mythological Gilgamesh was really lame after reading his feats its hard to imagine him as the strongest servant.....Mytho Cu Chulain is badass tho.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

@Aresduelist

No the armours effect were sealed during the North American singularity. And no he used Vasavi Shakti instead of trying to survive in order to do a last ditch effort and kill Cu because he saw how powerful he is, just like in Apocrypha when he fought Sieg and thought that the battle was a stalemate he went for Vasvai Shakti.

I find it ridiculous that a A rank noble phantasm would let him bring out multiple Astras on par with super wanked lightning spear that one shots divine spirits. Also martial blessing is literally just "This guy is so good with his weapons and martial arts that he can be all knight classes at the same time" not "This guy can use 60 Astras on the level of vasavi shakti because lul ecks dee".

And the description of Vishnu Bhuja is literally these are just weapons(most likely divine constructs) on par with noble phantasms but not actually noble phantasms implying that Rama can't activate their true abilities in his shitty servant container/wrong class. This would fit in with the statements that Rama is super nerfed in the Saber class. Why you might ask because he can't use his true noble phantasms true name/power which he would gain in his right class as an Archer, since his weapons are gained through Vishnu Bhuja he can't use them as his true noble phantasms. For example because he is summoned in the Saber class and not Lancer class he can't use the noble phantasm Trishula but via Vishnu Bhuja he can summon the trident but not use its true name and power, but because it's Shivas most powerful weapon it's still comparable to noble phantasms even when not activated, just like how Vasavi Shakti when not activated is still strong enough to be able to deal A rank attacks, albeit mostly thanks to Karnas strength and godly skill.

 

[Aresduelist]

@Ramesess The Sun King the actual translation is "the armor is not present in fate grand order but you can still see it in his 2nd ascension". just that. There is no clear statement about which version, lore or gameplay. But since there are a lot servant who lost their defensive NP in game but still have them in lore like herc or siegfried that statement most likely refers to gameplay.

"Ascension" is also a terms used in gameplay, not lore

Rama got nerfed by Saber Class? where did you get that? any source? or you just randomly said it just because he's not even a Saber in his legend? If you look into Rama's profile, there is no statement about being nerfed by Saber class, not summoned at his full power and shit. Even Brahmastra after being forcibly turned into throwing blade didnt got weakened at all. He has special skill and NP that allows him to operate as 3 knight classes at once and bring out all his prided weapons so there is no reason for him to get nerfed in the first place.

so basically your argument is: "Vishnu Bhuja is only A (its A+ actually) anti-army NP so he cannot use the weapons true name".

only using rank as basis is not a right thing to do. Nasuverse rank are kinda ****** up. for example a B++ rank NP like Stella can deflect EX rank Rhongomyniad, D-rank NP like Lord Chaldeas can block A++ Anti Fortress Excalibur Morgan but can't tank Altera's A rank anti-army Photon Ray, and Miyuverse Shirou/UBW shirou can match Gilgamesh/Angelica's real weapons with some random downgraded projection. The funniest thing is, Child Gil's gate of babylon is only B+ and he still able to unleash True Nine Lives + shields strong enough to tank Excalibur.

Rama was originally a warrior, not just a king like gil. He mastered all weapons he have, not just saving them inside a vault. based on that fact, description of his 2nd NP and skill it will be ultimately riddiculous if someone like him cannot use true power of his own weapons.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

@Ares The statement most likely refers too both, Heracles doesn't have God hand in gameplay because it would be broken so they came up with the excuse that he forcefully sealed it because it would drain gudao of all his mana. Same with Siegfried IIRC and since the statement is that Karna doesn't have the armour most likely refers to both.

It's stated in the fate/grand order material book 3 that Rama's "correct" class is Archer but one reason he forces himself into the saber class is because there's a chance that Sita will be summoned as an Archer. This means that he is indeed nerfed in his saber class while his Archer class would let him access his full power sort of like how Berserker Heracles is much weaker than Archer Heracles. And Fate/Kaleid is not canon so everything you said about that is irrelevant and don't give me the "second magic makes everything canon" because the author called it separate from canon and it's only in grand order because it's popular deal with it. Stella could deflect a Rhongomyiad because it's a double broken phantasm that can bust a country and Rhong wasn't fully released and is only A++ when not fully released so a stella would be able to deflect it due to parameter rules. Lord Chaldeas was stupid because it's still a B+++ noble phantasm that is only D rank because they used the wrong name.

Since we don't know anything about Vishnu Buhja besides its description you might be right however that brings up one giant problem. If he can use all the weapons as noble phantasms why didn't he shit stomp Cu? Why didn't he one shot Cu with Trishula or Sundarshana Chakra? Logically he would have instakilled him, because he was very angry and wanted to kill him because he hates tyrants. The way I interpret it is that Heroic Spirit Rama could easily use those noble phantasms but a shitty servant container in a weaker class can't use them as noble phantasms, can only use them as weapons and since these weapons are still powerful astras even when not released they would still be comparable to noble phantasms. And that would make sense with the statements about how Rama is nerfed in the Saber class and that his weapons are only comparable to noble phantasms.

What would be cool is if Rama could use the sword weapons as noble phantasms.

 

[Shining_Trapezohedron]

Just to be extremely curious.

What are some of the most hax and powerful Astra (aka.weapon) in Hindu Mythos ? I would like to see how everyone rank the weapon.

 

[Palaeocene.epoch1]

Just to be extremely curious.
What are some of the most hax and powerful Astra (aka.weapon) in Hindu Mythos ? I would like to see how everyone rank the weapon.

Brahmanda Astra>Narayana>Pashupata iirc.

also, I'm curious how powerful Adam/Eve/Lilith before Original Sin would be... maybe he'd have an Authority if he's lucky. then again, Adam was created as a mortal not immortal iirc

or maybe how powerfu Angel like Sandalphon or Metatron is (accoding to text, it'd take 500 years to travel along Sandalphon's height.... angels be huge yo)

 

[Shining_Trapezohedron]

Lets hope that we can get Adam/Eve/Lilith as servant because I am dying to see what they can come up for the 3 of them.

By the way, Lilith only came into the Bible because of a hypothesis. So that could be something to work with.