I use Hatchworth for the first time ever.

[Schnee_One]

I have seriously never used a Hatchworth once and I'm actually kind of ashamed, so for the first time, I make a match of interesting proportions.

Speed is equal, both are 8C.

Hatchworth:

Randall Flagg: 6

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Randall mindhaxes before Hatchworth summons Cosmo (Assuming he would even do so, which I don't think he does in character)

 

[Wokistan]

Didn't this happen before?

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Someone actually did it.

...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjxtA4ITNWE&t=0m12s

 

[Schnee_One]

Didn't this happen before?

It did?

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Yes. It did. I think you were there, even.

I'm not going to go into what happened last time this was done, because honestly, I don't want to bring it up unless I have to. But regardless, my points from back then still stand. Flagg's psychic abilities work on machines, and he's more than fine with just seizing control of the robot and either forcing it to kill itself or marching it off to God knows where.

Hatchworth has numerous ways to kill him, but mindhax/tech manip and body puppetry outpace them and are enough to permanently end the fight. Voting Flagg.

 

[Schnee_One]

<Checks topics

(Breathes in)

****

 

[Wokistan]

Flagg fra

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

There is literally only one way Hatchworth can win that is if he chooses the 1 out of his 12 summons that can stomp Randall


Unless I'm missing something

 

[Schnee_One]

Pretty sure far more then one summon obliterates him knowing the Hax they have

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Well don't use dead memes

 

[GyroNutz]

Flagg FRA

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Well don't use dead memes

 

[DMUA]

Randall Flaggs him for reasons above

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Already done before, Flagg stomps

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

I've already explained why his win isn't a stomp.

And I'm already certain you're going to try to go in circles about it (like last time), so that's all I'm going to say on the matter. If you disagree, that's on you.

 

[GyroNutz]

If all Flagg is doing is mindhaxing off the bat it certainly isn't a stomp

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So should i close this?

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

No. Did you even read what I said?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I did, its still a stomp as Hatchworth has no way to win here

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Technically, summoning Commander cosmo, but that's super unlikely

 

[DMUA]

He could just

Strum

 

[Jinsye]

>Summoning commander cosmo is Hatchworth's only wincon

No?

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

@Zach:

Did you miss the fact that Hatch has Plot Manipulation? And Broadway Force? And Existence Erasure? All of which are activated by him simply strumming a guitar?

@Weekly:

As I said, I've already gone over why that's false.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

How's the plot manipulation and existence erasure force work?


Also, are we seriously arguing broadway force as a win condition?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Hatch could also use his Broadway Force to Plot Manipulate, but Flagg won last time because his hax is faster, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Its a stomp as Hatch will never get to use anything he has due to Randall instakilling or instahaxxing him

It doesnt matter what Hatch has as he will never in a million years be able to use it

 

[Jinsye]

Also, are we seriously arguing broadway force as a win condition?

Cause he uses it offensively

He sings and you are erased from existence

He sings and the plot of the battle is at his will.

That's his Broadway Force.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Except that's not a stomp at all. It's just Flagg activating faster.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

The only way you could legitimately argue that being a stomp is if Flagg had passive abilities, which he doesn't.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

That is a stomp yes, that is the definition of a stomp

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

"Whoever hits first" fights are like, 80% of every fight made on this wiki.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I honestly massively doubt the 1-C SPG god tiers but I'm too lazy to revise it

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Paulo Except this isnt a 'whoever hits first' fight, this is a 'one character hits first 100% of the time and instakills/instahaxxes while the other will nver be able to hit'

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

I've already done this song and dance with you before, so in the interest of saving time and avoiding redundancy, let's put it to a vote:

Fair Fight: 5 (Myself, Paolo, Gyro, DMUA, Schnee)

Stomp: 1 (Weekly)

Go loud.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

@Paulo Except this isnt a 'whoever hits first' fight, this is a 'one character hits first 100% of the time and instakills/instahaxxes'

Exact same thing said with different words to make it sound worse.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Paulo So you agree this is a stomp?

 

[GyroNutz]

'Who shoots first' fights aren't stomps, they're decisive.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

No, it's just one of those fights where both can one-shot, so it comes down to however hits first, which in this case is Flagg.