I think the Character tiers for Zen-O and Vegito should be rearranged a bit.

[Lunacorva]

I'm not arguing feats here, more who is Top Tier, God Tier, High Tier, ect.

I think that Vegito should probably be on the same level as Merged Zamasu, since the episode showed him fighting on even ground with the villain and only really losing because the time limit ran out. (You could argue that Trunks should be up there too for being the one to kill Zamasu (Last second Deus Ex Diabolous powers notwithstanding), but that could probably be chalked up to Zamasu already being weakend from the Final Kamehameha, and Trunks being powered up by the spirit sword.

Conversely, I think Zen-O should be on a tier above both, since he flattened Zamasu with no effort.

 

[Huesito88]

I am pretty sure that universal soul zamasu and not merged zamasu

 

[Peter1129]

Fusion Zamasu is only in the god tiers because of his infinite Zamasu form. Which neither Vegito or Trunks scales to.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

The God Tier in Dragon Ball are for Tier 2 characters which both Zeno and Zamasu are even though Zeno can one shot.

Now I do find it weird that Zamasu is Low 2-C while Vegito is only 3-A when Zamasu didn't gain a power up, he just lost his physical form allowing his energy that was contained in said body to spread and merge with things.

 

[ProspectX]

what you dont realize is that this wiki only lists zamasu as god tier since he was about to become omnipresent with a entire time line. Merged Zamasu is not even close in power to Vegito, the manga justified that point clearly. His immortality is the only matter that allowed him to exist for that extended period of time, the one who was displaying to be on the same level was son Goku. At least manga wise.

 

[DodoNova2]

The vegeto 3-A is in tier itself because it has fought from equal to a equal with Merged zamasu which is NOT low 2-C It is only immortal soul zamasu which is 2-C

 

[Lunacorva]

Ah. I thought God Tier, High Tier, ect was meant in comparison to the other characters in the setting (Like an Island Level character would be considered "God Tier" in a setting where everyone else is Street Level)

I mean, I have reason to suspect that Infinite Zamasu itself may actually be an outlier, but I want to get more information on the rulings for feats regarding Deus Ex Machina moments before I say anything else on that particular point.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Vegito = 3-A

Merged Zamasu = 3-A

Immoral Soul Zamasu = Low 2-C

The problem her is Immortal Soul Zamasu is just Merged Zamasu without a physical form. I don't know how losing your physical form allows you to go from 3-A to Low 2-C. If Immortal Soul Zamasu had the power to extend his energy across the universe and bleed into another time line then Merged Zamasu should have the same power within him as Immortal Soul Zamasu is jus Merged Zamasu without a body.

 

[DodoNova2]

Vegito = 3-A
Merged Zamasu = 3-A

Immoral Soul Zamasu = Low 2-C

Simple and effective explanatio

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Zen'o already is listed a tier above Zamasu, Zamasu is Low 2-C, Zen'o is 2-C.

 

[Lunacorva]

Zen'o already is listed a tier above Zamasu, Zamasu is Low 2-C, Zen'o is 2-C.

Not on the Dragon Ball Main Page he's not. They're both on the same tier.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Zen'o already is listed a tier above Zamasu, Zamasu is Low 2-C, Zen'o is 2-C.

I think he's trying to say move Zamasu off of the God tier since Zeno can one shot but like i said before the God Tier spots are for Tier 2 characters which Zeno and Zamasu are, it dosent matter if he can one shot.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I think he's trying to say move Zamasu off of the God tier since Zeno can one shot but like i said before the God Tier spots are for Tier 2 characters which Zeno and Zamasu are, it dosent matter if he can one shot.

Oh, ok.

 

[DodoNova2]

Have the tendency to place the 3-C / 3-B / 3-A, or in this case the Low 2-C / 2-C / 2-B / 2-A

Which is not the case here, so I do not know The most important are the tier inscribed in the profiles of the characters

 

[Lunacorva]

Vegito = 3-A
Merged Zamasu = 3-A

Immoral Soul Zamasu = Low 2-C

The problem her is Immortal Soul Zamasu is just Merged Zamasu without a physical form. I don't know how losing your physical form allows you to go from 3-A to Low 2-C. If Immortal Soul Zamasu had the power to extend his energy across the universe and bleed into another time line then Merged Zamasu should have the same power within him as Immortal Soul Zamasu is jus Merged Zamasu without a body.

Yeah... I'm kind of in agreement with LordGriffon here.

Maybe Vegito should be upgraded to 2C via Powerscaling since he fights on par with Merged Zamasu and as said by Lord Griffon, just losing your body REALLY shouldn't give you such a power boost.

Heck, it wouldn't even be that big of a stretch to put Vegito Blue on that level, since SSG Goku was already Universal Level, SSBG Goku is even STRONGER, SSB is meant to be as strong compared to SSG as SSJ is to Base Form, Goku AND Vegeta have gotten miles stronger from Universal Level SSG via training alone, and we all know how strong Vegito is compared to Goku AND Vegeta combined. So him achieving Tier 2C power isn't that much of a stretch.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Low 2-C not 2-C.

Anyway we should drop the subject of Vegito and Zamasu since upgrade threads about Dragon Ball are against the rules right now.

This thread is about Zamasu's placement which I believe is fine the way it is. Tier 2 is God Tier in Dragon Ball Zeno is 2-C Immortal Soul Zamasu is Low 2-C, Zeno can one shot but their still both Tier 2 so I don't think Zamasu needs to be moved but if others show up and think he should be moved I won't have a problem with it.

 

[Huesito88]

Isn't 2-C/low 2-C infinitely above 3-A

 

[Lunacorva]

Okay

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Isn't 2-C/low 2-C infinitely above 3-A

High 3-A is infinitely above 3-A, actually, 2-C is even higher.

 

[ProspectX]

Maybe Vegito should be upgraded to 2C via Powerscaling since he fights on par with Merged Zamasu

Heck, it wouldn't even be that big of a stretch to put Vegito Blue on that level, since SSG Goku was already Universal Level, SSBG Goku is even STRONGER, SSB is meant to be as strong compared to SSG as SSJ is to Base Form, Goku AND Vegeta have gotten miles stronger from Universal Level SSG via training alone, and we all know how strong Vegito is compared to Goku AND Vegeta combined. So him achieving Tier 2C power isn't that much of a stretch.

again with the understatement, It's Merged Zamasu who had great difficulty to keep with Vegito, and Vegito was not even using 50% of his power here.

 

[Huesito88]

Always thought 2-C/low 2-C was infinitely above high 3-A and high 3-A was infinitely above 3-A

 

[Lunacorva]

Vegito = 3-A
Merged Zamasu = 3-A

Immoral Soul Zamasu = Low 2-C

The problem her is Immortal Soul Zamasu is just Merged Zamasu without a physical form. I don't know how losing your physical form allows you to go from 3-A to Low 2-C. If Immortal Soul Zamasu had the power to extend his energy across the universe and bleed into another time line then Merged Zamasu should have the same power within him as Immortal Soul Zamasu is jus Merged Zamasu without a body.

Yeah... I'm kind of in agreement with LordGriffon here.
Maybe Vegito should be upgraded to 2C via Powerscaling since he fights on par with Merged Zamasu and as said by Lord Griffon, just losing your body REALLY shouldn't give you such a power boost.

Heck, it wouldn't even be that big of a stretch to put Vegito Blue on that level, since SSG Goku was already Universal Level, SSBG Goku is even STRONGER, SSB is meant to be as strong compared to SSG as SSJ is to Base Form, Goku AND Vegeta have gotten miles stronger from Universal Level SSG via training alone, and we all know how strong Vegito is compared to Goku AND Vegeta combined. So him achieving Tier 2C power isn't that much of a stretch.

again with the understatement, It's Merged Zamasu who had great difficulty to keep with Vegito, and Vegito was not even using 50% of his power here.

Wait, are you arguing with me, or agreeing with me? Because your statement there kind of supports my proposal.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Always thought 2-C/low 2-C was infinitely above high 3-A and high 3-A was infinitely above 3-A

Yeah.

 

[Lunacorva]

Also, shouldn't The Top Tier and High Tier characters all be on the same Tier, since they're all Universal Level?

Like Goku and Weiss are both Universal, but they're on different tiers on the Dragon Ball Page.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Again guys we should just focus on the threads main point about Zamasu's placement.

If you want to discuss Tiers in General you should go to the general discussion board or go look at the Teiring System.

Now do you guys agree on moving Zamasu or not.

I don't agree but if menu others agree then its fine by me.

 

[ProspectX]

You are saying that Zamasu fought on "par" with Vegito, no that's a exaggeration. He barely survived because of his immortality. If this wiki would accept the manga then zamasu would only be high tier.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Changing anything about Tiers of Dragon Ball (Super) are against the rules until the tournament is over so Vegito can't be changed regardless so their is no point in talking about how much power he used.

Moving Zamasu of the God Tiers is pointless in my opinion and this Thread is still based around their Tiers so I think this should be closed. Unless admins agree on moving Zamasu down.

 

[Reppuzan]

@LordGriffin

Zamasu isn't Low 2-C via scaling to any particular character, but because he merged with the space-time of his timeline and was going to spread to other timelines as well until Zen'O obliterated him.

It's not an outlier because it's based on a singular feat.

 

[Lunacorva]

You are saying that Zamasu fought on "par" with Vegito, no that's a exaggeration. He barely survived because of his immortality. If this wiki would accept the manga then zamasu would only be high tier.

Yeah, but my point was that Vegito should also be 2-C if he fought on par with Zamasu. If you're saying that Vegito is actually STRONGER than Zamasu, then doesn't that further emphasise the point that he should be 2-C as well?

Again, you seem to be supporting my point by arguing against them.

 

[Lunacorva]

Again guys we should just focus on the threads main point about Zamasu's placement.
If you want to discuss Tiers in General you should go to the general discussion board or go look at the Teiring System.

Now do you guys agree on moving Zamasu or not.

I don't agree but if menu others agree then its fine by me.

Yeah, I know. I just find ProspectX's response to be... fascinatingly odd.

And I wasn't so much arguing that Zamasu should be moved, more that Vegito and Zen-O should be moved in relation. With Vegito being on the same "Character Tier", and Zen-O being a Tier above.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Lunacorva

No. The Soul version of Zamasu was merging with space-time and stomped both Goku and Vegeta, not regular Fusion Zamasu. There is no scaling here.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

@LordGriffin

Zamasu isn't Low 2-C via scaling to any particular character, but because he merged with the space-time of his timeline and was going to spread to other timelines as well until Zen'O obliterated him.

It's not an outlier because it's based on a singular feat.

Uhh... No where did i say it was an outlier and i never said he was scald to a perticuler character so i dont know what your talking about.

I was just saying their should be no differnce between Merged Zamasu and Immortal Soul Zamasu since the only diffence is one has a body. Upgrade disscuions about DBS are against the rules so I drop it.

 

[ProspectX]

Vegito was clearly displayed to be immensly above him, and it should be obvious if you really didnt notice. But doesnt matter although since dbs upgrade threads are forbidden temporary.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Thats what I'm saying, since DBS upgrade threads are against the rules this should be closed as moving Vegito up would be an upgrade and moving Zamasu down is pointless since he's Tier 2 in his Immortal Soul form.

 

[Lunacorva]

@Lunacorva
No. The Soul version of Zamasu was merging with space-time and stomped both Goku and Vegeta, not regular Fusion Zamasu. There is no scaling here.

Umm.. I wan't talking about that.

 

[Lunacorva]

Thats what I'm saying, since DBS upgrade threads are against the rules this should be closed as moving Vegito up would be an upgrade and moving Zamasu down is pointless since he's Tier 2 in his Immortal Soul form.

I think I may have misexplained myself.

When I talk about "Tiers" here, I am NOT talking about who is 2-C, 3-A, 4-B, ect.

What I AM talking about is who is listed as Top Tier, High Tier, Mid Tier, ect on Dragon Balls main page.

This has nothing to do with their power Tiers.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I know what you ment, you are trying to move Zamasu of from the God Tier listing.

I will repeat what I said before.

The God Tier spot is reserved for Tier 2 characters which Zeno and Zamasu (Immortal Soul Form) are. Even though Zeno can still one shot Zamasu he's still Tier 2.

Moving him down to the Top Tiers would be weird because he's Tier Low 2-C, and the Grand Priest (for now), The Angels and Gods of Destruction are 3-A's.

Goku, Hit, Vegeta and the rest of the High Tiers may be 3-A just like Beerus but their still much weaker. Thats the reson why they are in different placements.

If we did what your suggesting we would need to move Zamasu down to Top Tier and move everyone else that are in the Top Tiers to the High Tiers.

Aka

God Tier: Zeno

Top Tier: Zamasu

High Tier: All the Angels, Gods of Destruction, Vegito, Goku, Vegeta, Hit, Toppa, Frieza, Jiren, Black Goku, Future Zamasu, Copy Vegeta, Bargamo, Arele

Just because Zeno can one shot Zamasu doesnt mean we need drop him down a placement. Whis can one shot Beerus but that doesnt mean we should drop Beerus down a placement. Buu can one shot Cell but we don't drop Cell down a placement. I see no perpuse of dropping Zamasu down when he's Tier 2 like Zeno but can get one shotted by him.

Immortal Soul Zamasu is still God Tier when you compear him to everyone else because he's Low 2-C.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Pretty much what griffin said...Zeno and Zamasu are placed as God Tiers because they are the only canon Tier 2 in the series. They are uncountably infinitely higher than the rest so they are basically true gods in comparison to the rest.

I also see no reason to move Zamasu down or put Vegito Blue to God Tier.

Also like Reppuzan said the only character that scales to Infinite Zamasu is obviously Zeno and no one else not even Vegito.

 

[ProspectX]

"They are the only canon tier 2 in the series", that makes no sense.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

@ProspectX why not???