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^ Agreed.
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I think I dodge the Superman/Goku rule but not really. Maybe?
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Fine ass reasoning right there
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I vote inconclusive.
Either Vegito one-shots do too much higher AP, or Joe one-shots do to his hax.
And both have cocky personalities and don't go all out from the start.
This is a classic case of the one who strikes first wins and with their personalities, it is hard to tell who would strike first.
Either Vegito one-shots do too much higher AP, or Joe one-shots do to his hax.
And both have cocky personalities and don't go all out from the start.
This is a classic case of the one who strikes first wins and with their personalities, it is hard to tell who would strike first.
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My vote goes to vigetoTheC2 said:
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It what do ya know the comments are calm
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@Warren
Vegetto was pretending to be cocky when he was fighting Boohan so he can provoke him enough to get absorbed and rescue Goten, Trunks, Gohan and later Good Boo. Though it's also worth nothing Vegeta is still his fusee so you might be right.
Vegetto was pretending to be cocky when he was fighting Boohan so he can provoke him enough to get absorbed and rescue Goten, Trunks, Gohan and later Good Boo. Though it's also worth nothing Vegeta is still his fusee so you might be right.
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Well, in terms of personality, Vegito's pretty balanced, especially when compared to other fusions.
Gotenks: Has power and talent but is held back due to being a child. He's cocky, inexperienced, immature, a showoff and it all shows.
Merged Zamasu: Unstable and deranged. So bad that he later descended into utter insanity. Arrogant to the extreme and has loss Goku Black's better traits, namely his composed, pragmatic and ruthless nature.
Kefla: Defintely cocky. Later, she allowed her fustration at being unable to put down Goku get best of her and went on a crazy offense.
The thing to remember of Vegito is that his persoanlity does not impact his effectiveness. Goku and Vegeta's personality mesh very well, suprisingly. Plus, he has boatloads more experience than most other fusions, which probably helps to keep him in check.
Gotenks: Has power and talent but is held back due to being a child. He's cocky, inexperienced, immature, a showoff and it all shows.
Merged Zamasu: Unstable and deranged. So bad that he later descended into utter insanity. Arrogant to the extreme and has loss Goku Black's better traits, namely his composed, pragmatic and ruthless nature.
Kefla: Defintely cocky. Later, she allowed her fustration at being unable to put down Goku get best of her and went on a crazy offense.
The thing to remember of Vegito is that his persoanlity does not impact his effectiveness. Goku and Vegeta's personality mesh very well, suprisingly. Plus, he has boatloads more experience than most other fusions, which probably helps to keep him in check.
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i think its 9-5-1 vegito atm which if i counted right grace period started 4 hours ago
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10-4-1 now
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Composite Superman FRA
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But he won't, that why i vote for Vegito.Zensum said:
Because while Joe has more hax, Joe like to use his Haxx first but he never use it to Finish his enemy off, Vegito on the otherhand in DBS, He Get cocky because he try to provoke and Lure Zamasu to find some solid openning.
When Vegito confirmed that Joe is a real threat, he then proceed to destroy Joe with big AP advantage he has (and Joe don't regen to help him like Zamasu)
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Pre-Crisis Superman is ridiculously casually universal. Read Phantom Zone. In it Superman battles a being who is the embodiment of an entire universe and who's an incredibly powerful reality warper and wins.
Also hax makes this an easy win.
Also hax makes this an easy win.
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No. The difference between a Universal character and a Universal+ character is a massive difference, sometimes even a level of infinity depending on the contextHizack123 said:
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I just had a funny thought.
Don't take this seriously but:
Due to the SBA, they're in New York, right? Can you imagine Vegito raiding some random store for some kind container/pot/whatever and then hiting Joe with a Mafuba?
Don't take this seriously but:
Due to the SBA, they're in New York, right? Can you imagine Vegito raiding some random store for some kind container/pot/whatever and then hiting Joe with a Mafuba?
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lol that's funny...but i do not see the fight ever reaching there...
like most of the people above suggested, they are two brutes who will start off by punching each other's head off...and vegito is ridiculously ridiculously waaaayyy up in the 3-a tier, that the next powerful character was already low 2-c. also this site does not use the manga but it was also implied there that vegito was close to beerus level who is also low 2-c. either vegito will one shot or if he doesn't then joe will one shot with hax....
but like others said, vegito wins 7.5/10 times.
like most of the people above suggested, they are two brutes who will start off by punching each other's head off...and vegito is ridiculously ridiculously waaaayyy up in the 3-a tier, that the next powerful character was already low 2-c. also this site does not use the manga but it was also implied there that vegito was close to beerus level who is also low 2-c. either vegito will one shot or if he doesn't then joe will one shot with hax....
but like others said, vegito wins 7.5/10 times.
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Alright, I am here to make some clarifications about Comp Superman. It seems many people get the idea that Comp Superman doesn't hax his opponents off the bat or doesn't finish it all the way through to the end. <--This is false. Also, my vote is going to Comp Superman.
Comp Superman not finishing off his opponents wasn't because he couldn't but more of because he wanted to reveal their identities to the world in order for him to claim the spotlight as the Hero. This is the only reason why he didn't kill them on the spot with his haxes, this can be similar to the case why Vegito didn't finish off Buu due to ulterior motives.
Worlds Finest Comics #142
Worlds Finest Comics #142
Worlds Finest Comics #142
Worlds Finest Comics #142
Comp Superman will go into this fight with Vegito going into instant haxes similar to @Zensum mentioned early but will finish off fully with them. Comp Superman has zero connection nor reason of wanting to reveal Vegito's identity, so nothing is holding him from the hax specials especially when Vegito has zero resistance from Matter Manipulation. Superman was so scared of Comp Superman he had to quickly leave Batman alone to Time Travel to recruit Legion of Super-Heroes for help in defeating Comp Superman.
Worlds Finest Comics #168
Worlds Finest Comics #168
Worlds Finest Comics #168
Worlds Finest Comics #168
Worlds Finest Comics #168
Comp Superman not finishing off his opponents wasn't because he couldn't but more of because he wanted to reveal their identities to the world in order for him to claim the spotlight as the Hero. This is the only reason why he didn't kill them on the spot with his haxes, this can be similar to the case why Vegito didn't finish off Buu due to ulterior motives.
Worlds Finest Comics #142
Worlds Finest Comics #142
Worlds Finest Comics #142
Worlds Finest Comics #142
Comp Superman will go into this fight with Vegito going into instant haxes similar to @Zensum mentioned early but will finish off fully with them. Comp Superman has zero connection nor reason of wanting to reveal Vegito's identity, so nothing is holding him from the hax specials especially when Vegito has zero resistance from Matter Manipulation. Superman was so scared of Comp Superman he had to quickly leave Batman alone to Time Travel to recruit Legion of Super-Heroes for help in defeating Comp Superman.
Worlds Finest Comics #168
Worlds Finest Comics #168
Worlds Finest Comics #168
Worlds Finest Comics #168
Worlds Finest Comics #168
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the scans kinds prove the point
joe is cocky, he is dicking around and having fun
joe is using cqc, he didn't use any one shot hax on any of those right off the bat, in most of the scans he is just punching and hitting them
joe is cocky, he is dicking around and having fun
joe is using cqc, he didn't use any one shot hax on any of those right off the bat, in most of the scans he is just punching and hitting them
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Vegito's personality doesn't seem to diminish his effectiveness. His major appearence of arrogance (when he fought Buuhan) turned out to be a ruse so that he could infiltrate Buuhan to rescue Gohan and co.ZERO7772 said:
Also, arrogance or overconfidence isn't noted to be a weakness on Vegito's profile while it is a weakness of Composite Supes. Supes is noted to be "highly arrogant and idiosyncratic, and tends to toy with his opponents using his arsenal of powers rather than going for an easy victory."
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He only dick around was due to keeping them alive to reveal their identity. Like I stated before Comp Superman has no reason to reveal Vegito's identity, so he isn't going to dick around.HrishikeshM said:
Matter Manipulation was going to kill Superman and Batman on the spot if his power didn't hit the time limit. He wanted Superman and Batman in one place for them to be killed <-One Shot. Star Boy's weight induction was going to send Batman to the earth's core. <--- One Shot.
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he used matter manip very late in the fight, and vegito kinda resisted buuhans matter maip as well
and weight induction is something that z fighters have been handling since dbz
and weight induction is something that z fighters have been handling since dbz
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Buu uses Transmutation, not Matter Manip. They are two separate things. Matter Manipulation and Transmutation
When has Z Fighters ever handled Weight Induction aka Density Manipulation? I know Z fighters have handled intense Gravity from the outside, but they never resisted their bodies inner mass being changed.
When has Z Fighters ever handled Weight Induction aka Density Manipulation? I know Z fighters have handled intense Gravity from the outside, but they never resisted their bodies inner mass being changed.
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Matter Manipulation is the ability to manipulate the particles that make up matter and the bonds between them.
Transmutation is the ability to alter the form of energy, beings, objects, matter, etc. to change it into something else.
both are vaguely similar and in that scan joe was also changing half of their bodies into something else...that's what buu also does but only to full body...they are quite similar.. in fact, transmutation has a wide variety of uses than matter manip.
and second, joe's power is listed as gravity manip, the same thing which can be countered very easily by vegito who then gets angry and proceeds to one shot
Transmutation is the ability to alter the form of energy, beings, objects, matter, etc. to change it into something else.
both are vaguely similar and in that scan joe was also changing half of their bodies into something else...that's what buu also does but only to full body...they are quite similar.. in fact, transmutation has a wide variety of uses than matter manip.
and second, joe's power is listed as gravity manip, the same thing which can be countered very easily by vegito who then gets angry and proceeds to one shot
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Gravity Manipulation, unless pushed to a crazy extreme straight away, won't do too much on it's own given that both Goku and Vegeta have trained under intense gravity before and can function under and Vegito's way above both of them.
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vegito blue: 13 [thec2, hrishikeshm, hizack123, dmua, tissredgrave, darkmon, turbotriangle, gargoyle, glassman, quantu, sceptilespy, akm, prospectx]
composite supes : 9 [mrcommonsense, zero7772, zensum, lapitus, cursedgentleman, wrightway, paulo, matt, shadow]
inconclusive: 1 [warren]
grace period started 7-8 hours ago
composite supes : 9 [mrcommonsense, zero7772, zensum, lapitus, cursedgentleman, wrightway, paulo, matt, shadow]
inconclusive: 1 [warren]
grace period started 7-8 hours ago
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damn this is a good match
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Vegito's personality doesn't seem to diminish his effectiveness. His major appearence of arrogance (when he fought Buuhan) turned out to be a ruse so that he could infiltrate Buuhan to rescue Gohan and co.
Also, arrogance or overconfidence isn't noted to be a weakness on Vegito's profile while it is a weakness of Composite Supes. Supes is noted to be "highly arrogant and idiosyncratic, and tends to toy with his opponents using his arsenal of powers rather than going for an easy victory."
He was staling the fight so that Buuhan can absorb him yes but that doesn't change the fact he was showing off and not being serious at all, their difference between giving your enemy a chance on purpose and acting like dick through the whole fight
The profiles are not absolute law given by god, Vegito is arrogant and tends to mess around in his battles at first, naturally when Zamasu pushed him a little he used more power but that doesn't change the fact he was playing around at first
If Vegito is pushed he will fight seriously but that doesn't mean he always take his fights seriously
Also, arrogance or overconfidence isn't noted to be a weakness on Vegito's profile while it is a weakness of Composite Supes. Supes is noted to be "highly arrogant and idiosyncratic, and tends to toy with his opponents using his arsenal of powers rather than going for an easy victory."
He was staling the fight so that Buuhan can absorb him yes but that doesn't change the fact he was showing off and not being serious at all, their difference between giving your enemy a chance on purpose and acting like dick through the whole fight
The profiles are not absolute law given by god, Vegito is arrogant and tends to mess around in his battles at first, naturally when Zamasu pushed him a little he used more power but that doesn't change the fact he was playing around at first
If Vegito is pushed he will fight seriously but that doesn't mean he always take his fights seriously
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inconclusive, as both sides show good points
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Vegito loses badly
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Inconclusive for reasons above.
