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Hunter X Hunter and Fairy Tail ratings?

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There have been discussions lately about that we likely rate certain Fairy Tail characters too low, scaled from Jellal Fernandes' meteor feat early in the series (Ablation did occur, so the upper bounds of the calculation seem to be accurate for estimating the speed.)

In addition, there has been a discussion over at the Gon Freecss profile about upgrading the Hunter X Hunter characters.

What do the rest of you think?
 
I don't really know anything about Hunter X Hunter but I do think that some of the FT profiles are rated to low.
 
The thing about Jellal's meteor is that is that even now that would only apply to a few specific characters, (I personally feel that Natsu/Gray/Gajeel are on the level that Jellal/Laxus/Jura were a year ago but they haven't shown it yet) but as far as applying it to those few characters I think we should.

I think it should apply to himself, Laxus, Gildarts, Mard, Hades, and the top tiers, I think people would want to apply it to Makarov, but we shouldn't.

Looking at the thread over on the Gon page, it's clear that Youpi is town level in DC, but I am not sure whether Pitou could be scaled to that, Pitou has a far greater damage focus than Pouf but not as much as Youpi. I personally think that weaker HxH characters (like Gon) are rated too high.
 
Fairy Tail is fine as it is. I don't think Fairy Tail is rated low at all. Also, Hunter x Hunter, there aren't feats to upgrade from. When Gon was fighting Pitou, it was barely town level+ DC. It would be a little too much to be upgrading them, so that is fine as it is also. So.... both are fine imo.

Edit: OK, after reading Gon's page. I also think Gon might be rated a bit too high. Like what Rib said. Weaker characters like Gon should not be rated that high considering the series isn't necessary done and he shouldn't be as high as the high rated characters.
 
I believe his current rating is scaled from 20% Uvogin and while I don't think it's unreasonable to say Gon is => a fifth of Uvogin's strength, I don't like scaling the current main characters from the higher end phantom troupe members even at 20% (with the exception of emperor time Kurapika), especially when Gon has a ton of Building and Large Building feats but neither he, nor Knucle, or Shoot, or Genthru or anyone who is comparable to Gon at full strength has feats approaching MCB.
 
Yes, I completely agree with Rib, Gon doesn't have feats to be at Town level+, He has a lot more feats of being Large Building, but Gon in adult form is most likely to be MCB imo. Now he did one shot Pitou, but I believe he poured all his strength into that one punch, which is most likely at least low MCB or at least MCB.
 
I think adult Gon probably is Town Level actually, I'd rate him higher than the King pre-rose (atleast in raw power, don't know about overall). I just think Chimera Ant arc Gon is Large Building.
 
Have you read the Talk thread between Methodman/Coolkid and A6colute?
 
yeah, I have, I think Methodman is mostly on the ball but I'm not sure either way on whether we can scaled Pitou from Youpi, i think we probably can, Youpi has more power, but Pitou does have a lot of physical power so their likely really close, it'd be like scaling Sanji from Zoro which I think we have done.

I don't think he said some things that stuck out to me as wrong but skimming I can't seem to find them so whatever.
 
Well, the issue here is what we should scale adult Gon to, and whether Meruem performed his feat before or after powering up?
 
Ging stated Pitou is the most powerful Royale gaurd.

And no Gon scales to Pre Rose bomb Netero who I think should be put a Town level+ and Hypersonic+
 
Well, Pitou may be the most powerful, but that does not mean that he was specialised in destruction. Anyway, why does adult Gon scale to Netero, amd when did Meruem perform the feat that he is scaled from?
 
Yeah, Meruem's rage blast was post-rose, so that would apply to him and only him, but Adult Gon likely has greater offense than pre-rose Meruem, so he could be scaled to Youpi. So yeah, as Methodman says, Town Level+ and Hypersonic+.
 
I need a bit more specific rationales than that.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, Pitou may be the most powerful, but that does not mean that he was specialised in destruction. Anyway, why does adult Gon scale to Netero, amd when did Meruem perform the feat that he is scaled from?
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Thats really not fair to say.

Alot of other characters get scaled to each other but the overall destuction of there attacks are lower.

Like my example earlier. Kurama's over all destruction is like Multi city block at best but he is loads above Sensui who had Country level feats.

Its about potency. and saying "Well it doesn't work here" Is a total double standard, Might guy couldn't blow up a small country but was able to beat madaras head in who had Large country durability at the time.

Pouf is also above yupi. Via Poufs clone being able to match Youpis aura when they healed Meruem and he still had enough aura to make a full sized version of himself instead of staying as a beelzelbub clone.
 
Well, it all depends on specialisation. If a character is stronger in the same type of area as another character, then powerscaling applies, but a telepath does not have greater destructive capacity than a country-busting dimwit, just because it could shut him down.

However, this is just going by A6colute's comments. I don't remember much from the story in question, so it would help if people could elaborate on their abilities, and why does adult Gon scale to Meruem?
 
Yupi got mid level town with his Rage blast

Classic game guys or William proto and I discussed this a few days ago over skype.

This "The diameter is only 126 meters how could it be town level?"
Argument from incredulity fallacy right there
If that figure is too low for him, about how the fact it's 533988500000 cm^3
533988500000 * 214.35 = 1.14460435e14 joules or 27 kilotons
Even if it was violently fragmented....
1.14460435e14 * 8 = 9.1568348e14 joules or 219 tons of tnt

To put it simply the only reason we got "Its not town level!!11!!" Was because no towns were destoryed and the people didnt think it was.

Hypersonic+ Fits in because Gon should scale to Netero who is above all the royal gaurds and attack speed was mach 15. But everyone agrees that calc was low balled to hell. Hell we has mach 22 back in greed island but everyone called it a outlier. Even though Killua reacted to a instant attack and there were calcs that got near that level. But the Badmins at the OBD didn't want Greed island gon soloing Avatar.
 
"and why does adult Gon scale to Meruem?"

pitou the most loyale and smartest RG stated Gon is now on the levels of Meruem.
 
Okay. Feel free to change the statistics for adult Gon accordingly then.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, it all depends on specialisation. If a character is stronger in the same type of area as another character, then powerscaling applies, but a telepath does not have greater destructive capacity than a country-busting dimwit, just because it could shut him down.
However, this is just going by A6colute's comments. I don't remember much from the story in question, so it would help if people could elaborate on their abilities, and why does adult Gon scale to Meruem?
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In terms of specialisation it goes like this:

Youpi has a lot of raw power in his body and power based nen abilities

Pitou also has a lot of raw power in his/her body but uses a support based nen ability

Pouf has very little raw power in his body compared to the other two but elaborate nen abilities

The strongest overall in terms of aura is Pitou


The reason Adult Gon could scale from Meruem is because he critically injured Pitou with a knee while a serious tail swipe from Meruem left Pitou with a bruise (Meruem complimented Pitou's durability and said that he was going in with serious intent to kill).
 
Okay. It seems legitimate then.
 
I actually am now questioning town level Youpi. We can't use 214.35J/cc in my opinion, because it's not stone, he made the crater in grass and dirt, not stone which is what 214.35 is for.

I also think the feat is more likely to be vaporisation than pulverisation because pulverisation would not have produced clouds that size, but unless we have a value for vaporisation of soil, all we have is a volume.
 
Youpi destroyed that crater from actually the middle section of the palace right up until the ground. The depth of the crater is huge, considering he appeared to be a dot from the top of the crater. He's town+ level, and that wasn't his best too.

Adult Gon oneshotted Pitou who's the strongest Royal Guard. Youpi absolutely tanked that explosion and Knuckle complemented him on that feat. Considering that Meruem is arguably city+ level, Adult Gon should be around that considering Pitou stated he was more powerful than the King.

Post-Rose Meruem's feat of vaporizing the plateau didn't even surprise Youpi/Pouf at all. They were surprised at his speed when they were on the way back to the palace, and they were finally very surprised at his power and speed when they were in the palace, indicating that Meruem's initial feat wasn't even of the king's level. That feat is like around small city level if I'm not wrong. Meruem is considerably more powerful than before.

About kid Gon's power, let me start with this. 20% Uvogin's BBI is MCB+. 100% Uvogin's BBI only broke Kurapika's arm, although he was in Emperor Time. Gon, while being critically injured in his fight against the Bomber, was able to oneshot the Bomber with his Jajanken. After Greed Island, when they first fought Knuckle (at the beginning of their training, when they were exhausted), Gon was able to oneshot Knuckle who wasn't that ready, but the Jajaknen didn't connect directly. Kid Gon being MCB+ isn't even farfetched at all. After his training with Biscuit, his Jajanken was considered powerful, indicating that it's even more powerful than before. When Gon was enraged, when Morel told him to do so, Morel while powering up was going to die from Enraged Gon's Jajanken. That Jajanken is town level.

Also I'm going to mention that Uvogin wasn't a high-end member. When he died, Phinks and Nobunaga were ready to take on Kurapika and kill him, knowing that he killed Uvogin, indicating that they were both above him. Considering that Feitan and Chrollo are above both, we have four characters above Uvogin. It's debatable whether Franklin is more powerful than Uvogin or not, considering he was ready to match Nobunaga in a real fight. Overall, Uvogin is more of a mid tier member than anything.
 
@Ichigo Freecs;

We already know the size of Youpi's crater, the fact that he was in the mid section of the palace is something that is hard to account for, but the size of the actual crater itself has been worked out.

What matters is that what he destoyed in making the crater was not stone, it was dirt, the crater is made of the same stuff as the garden around it. What little stone it did come into contact with (the palace walls) was violently fragmented (not even entirely that, it was still largely intact when we see it with Ikalgo later). There is no real evidence of the blast being Town Level.

Even if the blast was Town Level, it came from him, he didn't get hit by it, Knuckle said that he couldn't use that much power without damaging himself but that's not the same as tanking the blast, that's the stress in his body of pulling out that energy out (although he likely could take the blast if he had to I think).

"Post-Rose Meruem's feat of vaporizing the plateau didn't even surprise Youpi/Pouf at all."

Are you kidding? would that be why the two following panels immediately after blast, before we even see the smoke rise from the damage, are of the shock on Youpi and Pouf's faces, with sweatdrops and a speechbubble with only an ellipses for good measure. Not surprised would certainly make everyone except post-rose Meruem more impressive, but it's exactly the opposite of what the story shows.

I'll respond to the Gon and Uvo stuff later, but I'm going out just now.
 
There is now a new post regarding that Laxus should be upgraded to Massively Hypersonic. What do you all think about this?
 
"There is now a new post regarding that Laxus should be upgraded to Massively Hypersonic. What do you all think about this?"

I think we need to get a timeframe or assume a reasonable timeframe for the feat before we accept it. The feat could be MHS but it also might be High Hypersonic / High Hypersonic+.

We need to calc it first, before we accept it.
 
True. Is anybody who reads this willing to do so?
 
Rib78 said:
@Ichigo Freecs;
We already know the size of Youpi's crater, the fact that he was in the mid section of the palace is something that is hard to account for, but the size of the actual crater itself has been worked out.

What matters is that what he destoyed in making the crater was not stone, it was dirt, the crater is made of the same stuff as the garden around it. What little stone it did come into contact with (the palace walls) was violently fragmented (not even entirely that, it was still largely intact when we see it with Ikalgo later). There is no real evidence of the blast being Town Level.

Even if the blast was Town Level, it came from him, he didn't get hit by it, Knuckle said that he couldn't use that much power without damaging himself but that's not the same as tanking the blast, that's the stress in his body of pulling out that energy out (although he likely could take the blast if he had to I think).

"Post-Rose Meruem's feat of vaporizing the plateau didn't even surprise Youpi/Pouf at all."

Are you kidding? would that be why the two following panels immediately after blast, before we even see the smoke rise from the damage, are of the shock on Youpi and Pouf's faces, with sweatdrops and a speechbubble with only an ellipses for good measure. Not surprised would certainly make everyone except post-rose Meruem more impressive, but it's exactly the opposite of what the story shows.

I'll respond to the Gon and Uvo stuff later, but I'm going out just now.
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He was in the middle section of the palace. When he exploded, they were still in the middle section of the palace. So he vaporized the middle section of the palace all the way to dozens and dozens of meters below the ground. That's undoubtedly town+ level, and that's not Youpi at his most powerful too.

The ground was rocky. It appears like that from outside the palace, so we have to assume that it's the same ground in the palace too. The palace walls were sure very violently fragmented, but that wasn't the immediate impact of the blast.

Knuckle stated that "he could draw that immense power without damaging himself?" indicating that the blast wasn't able to damage him. It was clear.

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They weren't that surprised. They were far seriously surprised later when the King in the palace , twice . His blast was sure powerful, but it doesn't match up to his power. He did it with no effort and with zero rage stored, but still, not up to his level.
 
Ichigo Freecs said:
The stuff I said above
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He was in the middle section of the palace. When he exploded, they were still in the middle section of the palace. So he vaporized the middle section of the palace all the way to dozens and dozens of meters below the ground. That's undoubtedly town+ level, and that's not Youpi at his most powerful too.
The ground was rocky. It appears like that from outside the palace, so we have to assume that it's the same ground in the palace too. The palace walls were sure very violently fragmented, but that wasn't the immediate impact of the blast.

Knuckle stated that "he could draw that immense power without damaging himself?" indicating that the blast wasn't able to damage him. It was clear.

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They weren't that surprised. They were far seriously surprised later when the King in the palace , twice . His blast was sure powerful, but it doesn't match up to his power. He did it with no effort and with zero rage stored, but still, not up to his level.

He didn't vaporise the middle section of the palace though, he vaporised the ground but that's no reason to believe that the palace was vaporised too, they're different materials, and we saw what his blast did to the stone palace, he violently fragmented it at best. It's a million times more consistant to assume that the all of the palace got the same fate, rather than some of the palace going the way of the dirt, and some of it going the doing it's own thing.

The ground was not rocky, the crater was surrounded by the palace garden, and we can see in the raised area around the crater is continuous, if that were stone it wouldn't be the blast would off had to shatter it in order to move it, not so with dirt.

What do you mean by "that wasn't the immediate impact of the blast."; I'm not sure what you meant.

Knuckles statement is clear. "he could draw out that immense power without damaging himself?" does not imply in any way that the blast would damage him, it implies that pulling out that much power would damage him, it would put too much stress on his body.

"They weren't that surprised"; how surprised do you want them to be? they're obviously surprised, jaws dropped, eyes wide, their speechlessness has had attention drawn to it with a speechbubble. The only difference between their reaction there and the second one within the palace is that in the latter their jaws didn't drop.

They are obviously more surprised in the first one in the palace, but that doesn't invalidate their earlier surprise. His blast does the best job of matching up to his power that we see, because we never see a truly powerful one, this is the best idea we've got, and the argument from earlier that:

"Post-Rose Meruem's feat of vaporizing the plateau didn't even surprise Youpi/Pouf at all. They were surprised at his speed when they were on the way back to the palace, and they were finally very surprised at his power and speed when they were in the palace, indicating that Meruem's initial feat wasn't even of the king's level."

obviously doesn't hold up because they were surprised; extremely so.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't Youpi able to control his anger and use the rage blast at full strength at will?
 
We didn't see what his blast did to the palace. That was his punch. His punch nearly pulverized (or really violently fragmented) a lot of the middle section of the palace. Then he proceeded to explode (he was still in the palace), where he vaporized from all the way up there to dozens upon dozens of meters below the ground.

The ground immediately outside of the palace is rocky. We have to assume so that the ground is rocky too. That was the ground that the middle section of the palace was standing on, so it was sure solid.

The blast didn't directly impact the palace walls nearby. It was the after-impact that destroyed the palace walls. The blast didn't touch them.

That's one way you could interpret it. Knuckle complemented him on doing that. Another way you can interpret it is that he could tank that much power going off. It's just like Bomber's technique. His Little Flower explodes, but his arm is completely fine because of the aura that he puts is stronger than the explosion. Youpi was able to tank his own blast without a scratch.

What does that indicate? Meruem wasn't showing his real power, and even by then in the palace, he didn't go all out. That's surely easy to understand. We see Pouf really sweating and shaking in the palace. We didn't see that earlier.

He was able to do that after the centaur transformation, but we haven't seen what he can do with it.
 
Here is a calculatio shows that Meruem's Rage Blast is city+ level. KEEP IN MIND this blast was done effortlessly and with ZERO RAGE STORED. Also have in mind that this power was nothing comparable to what the king showed in the palace, which is still not the extent of his power.
 
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