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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Mbpoops said:
Different context
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You cannot claim different context without explaining why it is different context.

Literally in hsr terms it’s just

“Can you tank a full force attack from Theoros Lygus? Even Herta can’t even tank a full force attack from Theoros Lygus”

Where is the joke or the funny.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
You cannot claim different context without explaining why it is different context.
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CastoriceTheFifth said:
Literally in hsr terms it’s just

“Can you tank a full force attack from Theoros Lygus? Even Herta can’t even tank a full force attack from Theoros Lygus”

Where is the joke or the funny.
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The context being acheron cant damage a traffic light and then it says the traffic light is more badass than zephyro. Its an obvious joke and they only brought up zephyro because he was the strongest KNOWN emanator
 
Mbpoops said:
Aha finds everything funny i dont see your point
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What he finds funny is a traffic robot being omnipotent. That’s the ENTIRE joke he finds funny. The joke is NOT Acheron Vs Zephyro and he has no reason to find that funny like how we don’t find that fight funny clearly by the responses of everyone here unable to explain where the funny is.

Aha has no reason to lie or slander either combatants and Aha is not Mythus. The best joke IS the one based off of truths. Which is why those 2 were used as strength benchmarks.

“Can you tank a full force attack from Theoros Lygus? Even Herta can’t tank a full force attack from Theoros Lygus head on.”

This isn’t a joke. This is a statement. It's missing a second element. It becomes a joke if you add the second element. Do you want to know what that element is? Yeah, its the JOKE itself.

The joke itself is
“Then you are stronger than Y.”
Which IS the traffic robot. This IS the missing element, otherwise its just a statement. You cannot make a dramatic escalation for a joke if its based on lies, it defeats the whole purpose

@Jackof_noTrades068 went full English teacher mode explaining in detail how jokes works btw. Go read it.
 
The portrait is obviously a joke. A very funny joke, but whether it's to be taken seriously going forwards for scaling or even story logic by the HSR team is the issue we're facing.

You're either going to believe yes or no. Not because of the portrait being a joke but because of where you believe Zephyro and Acheron scale thanks to their statuses.

Acheron is:
  • An Emanator of Nihility
  • Wants to kill IX through device IX

Zephyro is:
  • A self-annihilator, not an Emanator of Nihility. You can believe he IS an Emanator of Nihility.
  • An Emanator of Destruction
  • Wants to kill IX through unknowable means (he throws himself into IX and explodes, we don't know if he's stronger, has any items, etc. We're missing critical info)

If you believe Zephyro is a dual emanator, it's unlikely Acheron is comparable.
If you believe he isn't a dual Emanator, it's likely Acheron is comparable. Both are positioned to be IX killing forces after all.

So I'd like everyone to recognise that what you take away from this joke is entirely opinion-based and we won't be able to resolve any bs surrounding it.

What's better to argue: Should this joke (we all agree, it is a joke) be recognised within the standards of the wiki, or should we hold off for scaling Acheron to Zephyro? The only reason we're scaling Acheron to Zephyro is that the two are positioned by the story to be comparable.
So, is this vibescaling (yes, it is) or does this actually work within the standards of the wiki?

My belief at this point is that we should hold off on saying Acheron is relative to Zephyro. I believe the two are comparable but I believe it's a flimsy argument that is based in too little evidence and therefore shouldn't be scaled.
 
PlungingThroughTime said:
The portrait is obviously a joke. A very funny joke, but whether it's to be taken seriously going forwards for scaling or even story logic by the HSR team is the issue we're facing.

You're either going to believe yes or no. Not because of the portrait being a joke but because of where you believe Zephyro and Acheron scale thanks to their statuses.

Acheron is:
  • An Emanator of Nihility
  • Wants to kill IX through device IX

Zephyro is:
  • A self-annihilator, not an Emanator of Nihility. You can believe he IS an Emanator of Nihility.
  • An Emanator of Destruction
  • Wants to kill IX through unknowable means

If you believe Zephyro is a dual emanator, it's unlikely Acheron is comparable.
If you believe he isn't a dual Emanator, it's likely Acheron is comparable. Both are positioned to be IX killing forces after all.

So I'd like everyone to recognise that what you take away from this joke is entirely opinion-based and we won't be able to resolve any bs surrounding it.

What's better to argue: Should this joke (we all agree, it is a joke) be recognised within the standards of the wiki, or should we hold off for scaling Acheron to Zephyro? The only reason we're scaling Acheron to Zephyro is that the two are positioned to be comparable.
So, is this vibescaling (yes, it is) or does this actually work within the standards of the wiki?
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This entire contention started by portraying the statement as the joke being Acheron Vs Zephyro (Meaning the joke flew over their entire head)

Me and @Jackof_noTrades068 ran through this scenario

"Joke" number 1

"You can take an attack from Hook head on? Even Nanook can't take an attack from Hook head on. Damn you're even more badass than Nanook
This first example is incoherent and nonsense with no basis as well as it being unfunny. Hook is a normal child. Nanook is a god.

"Joke" number 2
“Can you face Acheron’s blade? Even a child cannot face it. You are stronger than a child.”
This isn't funny and this just sounds like Aha mocking the target. Aha has zero reason to mock the target.

"Joke" number 3
"You can take Acheron's blade head on? Even Zephyro can't take Acheron's blade head on. Damn you're even more badass than Zephyro"
Now this is what the joke is and why its funny. It does 2 things

1. State fact
2. Twist fact to logical extreme using the traffic robot that accomplished the feat

The joke makes no sense if the joke was like this using the bullet tank example
“Can you stop a bullet? Even tanks cannot. You are stronger than tanks.” Since tanks can, in reality, stop bullets. Even TESLA cyber trucks can. It loses its entire comedic effect and just sounds idiotic.

This is ignoring how Aha doesn't tell lies or slanders and has no reason to lie about this fight or find the fight funny. (Aha doesn't even find Lan or Tazzy funny so Aha finding everything funny is cap)
 
PlungingThroughTime said:
The portrait is obviously a joke. A very funny joke, but whether it's to be taken seriously going forwards for scaling or even story logic by the HSR team is the issue we're facing.

You're either going to believe yes or no. Not because of the portrait being a joke but because of where you believe Zephyro and Acheron scale thanks to their statuses.

Acheron is:
  • An Emanator of Nihility
  • Wants to kill IX through device IX

Zephyro is:
  • A self-annihilator, not an Emanator of Nihility. You can believe he IS an Emanator of Nihility.
  • An Emanator of Destruction
  • Wants to kill IX through unknowable means (he throws himself into IX and explodes, we don't know if he's stronger, has any items, etc. We're missing critical info)

If you believe Zephyro is a dual emanator, it's unlikely Acheron is comparable.
If you believe he isn't a dual Emanator, it's likely Acheron is comparable. Both are positioned to be IX killing forces after all.

So I'd like everyone to recognise that what you take away from this joke is entirely opinion-based and we won't be able to resolve any bs surrounding it.

What's better to argue: Should this joke (we all agree, it is a joke) be recognised within the standards of the wiki, or should we hold off for scaling Acheron to Zephyro? The only reason we're scaling Acheron to Zephyro is that the two are positioned by the story to be comparable.
So, is this vibescaling (yes, it is) or does this actually work within the standards of the wiki?

My belief at this point is that we should hold off on saying Acheron is relative to Zephyro. I believe the two are comparable but I believe it's a flimsy argument that is based in too little evidence and therefore shouldn't be scaled.
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this is a readable essay i agree with this i say as i open lotm
 
Mbpoops said:
this is a readable essay i agree with this i say as i open lotm
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Broskie says this while refusing to read Jack’s message 😭

PlungingThroughTime said:
My belief at this point is that we should hold off on saying Acheron is relative to Zephyro. I believe the two are comparable but I believe it's a flimsy argument that is based in too little evidence and therefore shouldn't be scaled.
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I don’t get how it’s too little evidence if it’s a direct statement stating he can’t take her blade head on (something that we explained numerous times in depth on why that isn’t a joke). Like do we just nuke every single ability on the wiki only ever mentioned once unless it gets stated like multiple times? How does that work? It’s not like it’s based on nothing either. It heavily supports the narrative set for them in previous patches/videos.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Broskie says this while refusing to read Jack’s message 😭


I don’t get how it’s too little evidence if it’s a direct statement stating he can’t take her blade head on (something that we explained numerous times in depth on why that isn’t a joke). Like do we just nuke every single ability on the wiki only ever mentioned once unless it gets stated like multiple times? How does that work? It’s not like it’s based on nothing either. It heavily supports the narrative set for them in previous patches/videos.
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give me monarch archeron in AV and ill read it ill read it later anyway
 
PlungingThroughTime said:
The portrait is obviously a joke. A very funny joke, but whether it's to be taken seriously going forwards for scaling or even story logic by the HSR team is the issue we're facing.

You're either going to believe yes or no. Not because of the portrait being a joke but because of where you believe Zephyro and Acheron scale thanks to their statuses.

Acheron is:
  • An Emanator of Nihility
  • Wants to kill IX through device IX

Zephyro is:
  • A self-annihilator, not an Emanator of Nihility. You can believe he IS an Emanator of Nihility.
  • An Emanator of Destruction
  • Wants to kill IX through unknowable means (he throws himself into IX and explodes, we don't know if he's stronger, has any items, etc. We're missing critical info)

If you believe Zephyro is a dual emanator, it's unlikely Acheron is comparable.
If you believe he isn't a dual Emanator, it's likely Acheron is comparable. Both are positioned to be IX killing forces after all.

So I'd like everyone to recognise that what you take away from this joke is entirely opinion-based and we won't be able to resolve any bs surrounding it.

What's better to argue: Should this joke (we all agree, it is a joke) be recognised within the standards of the wiki, or should we hold off for scaling Acheron to Zephyro? The only reason we're scaling Acheron to Zephyro is that the two are positioned by the story to be comparable.
So, is this vibescaling (yes, it is) or does this actually work within the standards of the wiki?

My belief at this point is that we should hold off on saying Acheron is relative to Zephyro. I believe the two are comparable but I believe it's a flimsy argument that is based in too little evidence and therefore shouldn't be scaled.
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crazy yap to be kevin victim
 
Btw just to explain how cooked it is to reject a direct statement like this.

It’d make no sense for you or us to propose hsr servants having Imaginary/Honkai energy because it’s never been stated in the series that they replaced magical energy. We only came to the conclusion because we used brain power and are smart enough to conclude this based on context
 
Scrubforhire said:
Yeah but you see in day time it's actually in the 30 somethings and my AC is broken down 🥀
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Thank god I don't live in Vietnam tho holy shit I feel for those poor souls

I went there during late May a few years ago for charity work and I was legit seeing the air shimmer like a flame while walking by the villages
 
Y'all gotta stop downplaying Acheron bro when Castorice slandered me over for Zephyro having high-tier Nihility Hax (as in the same shit as Acheron) and how apparently Zephyro's only a low-tier Nihility Hax like most Shadow of IX so yeah nah. I was deadass that same person saying Zephyro has the same shit that Acheron has despite Zephyro being unconfirmed whether he's an Emanator of Nihility or not LMFAO
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
I don’t get how it’s too little evidence if it’s a direct statement stating he can’t take her blade head on (something that we explained numerous times in depth on why that isn’t a joke). Like do we just nuke every single ability on the wiki only ever mentioned once unless it gets stated like multiple times? How does that work? It’s not like it’s based on nothing either. It heavily supports the narrative set for them in previous patches/videos.
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Zephyro can't take Khaslana's blade head on. He wouldn't facetank an attack from Khaslana. He avoids, blocks and parries it. Does that mean Khaslana is relative? No. Of course it doesn't. Just because Zephyro has to react to Acheron's attacks does not mean she's instantly relative (or even comparable) to Zephyro.

Within the context of the joke, 'taking the blade head on' is shorthand for tanking it, like the traffic light head does.

Of course, Acheron could also be massively stronger and that's the reason Zephyro can't tank her blade, but this is the issue. There's much room for interpretation within the statement and very little evidence to go off of.

The statement doesn't tell us whether:
- Acheron is stronger or relative to Zephyro
OR
- Acheron just has the strength to not be treated as insignificant (can't take attacks head on) by Zephyro
 
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Voidnether said:
Y'all gotta stop downplaying Acheron bro when Castorice slandered me over for Zephyro having high-tier Nihility Hax (as in the same shit as Acheron) and how apparently Zephyro's only a low-tier Nihility Hax like most Shadow of IX so yeah nah. I was deadass that same person saying Zephyro has the same shit that Acheron has despite Zephyro being unconfirmed whether he's an Emanator of Nihility or not LMFAO
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i wont respect a battlepass unit that cant even hit 1M with memoria grrr
 
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