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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Natsuki012 said:
Final Recurrence fits the most
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Hey I just remembered.

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Honkai: Star Rail Quick Aventurine Justification Fix

So Aventurine has this line on his profile "While weakened due to being empowered by a broken Cornerstone" Yeah, there's a reason why there's no scan for him being weakened. It's because it doesn't exist. It was just an extrapolated reasoning that was never implied or stated in the series...
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Can you apply your skaracabaz proposal pls. Me and woomy trying to apply the chrysos heirs rn
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Hey I just remembered.

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Honkai: Star Rail Quick Aventurine Justification Fix

So Aventurine has this line on his profile "While weakened due to being empowered by a broken Cornerstone" Yeah, there's a reason why there's no scan for him being weakened. It's because it doesn't exist. It was just an extrapolated reasoning that was never implied or stated in the series...
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Can you apply your skaracabaz proposal pls. Me and woomy trying to apply the chrysos heirs rn
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I'll apply the changes when I have some free time
 
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Another CRT...
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Honkai - Surtalogi was out benching Welt so here we are

I'm here to make something boring yet again. Black holes, but we used time dilation and not the Schwarzschild's radius formula. Lets get out of Class G everyone. (thank this thread for the title) 47% Welt survives the force of his own Quasi Black Hole - 1.988e+17kg (Class P) Note: Welt was at...
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Mbpoops said:
Why is acheron stellar LS?
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excerpt from Cas' CRT you were in the thread so ig you overlooked it. No one else fought it, Plunging mainly argued over the coreflames before coming to an agreement with Cas

 
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
excerpt from Cas' CRT you were in the thread so ig you overlooked it. No one else fought it, Plunging mainly argued over the coreflames before coming to an agreement with Cas

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Bro… its a ******* joke we cant be serious
 
Natsuki012 said:
I do think they are relative to each other, but there isn't much to support this to be honest
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Ill nuke it in 3 months ig

Crazy how mfs genuienly think traffic light > zephyro and acheron is more reliable than a readable that labels the universe as 3 dimensional space (which is stated multiple times btw)
 
Mbpoops said:
This is literally acheron slander
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How is it Acheron slander. Acheron and Zephyro are just used as strength benchmarks.

The joke is that Aha finds it damn hilarious that the traffic cone robot is invincible to the verse. They do not find Acheron Vs Zepyro funny and have no reason to lie or slander their name. They were simply used to gauge strength. They are not Mythus.
 
Also this is what slander means and not how yall usually use it

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The traffic cone tanking Acheron's ultimate isn't slander. Its literally is a thing
 
Mbpoops said:
Bro… its a ******* joke we cant be serious
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As someone in the. "Acheron being comparable to zephyro is really just a placeholder" camp lemme overanalyze this scene and try to be fair to it

We need to distinguish between what Aha considers a joke and what is actually true. To understand this, let’s divide the text and analyze it from Aha’s perspective, from our perspective as players, and from the story’s perspective. Before that, let’s understand the structure of the text. It consists of three parts:
A strong rhetorical question.

Dramatic escalation.

Reversal / incongruity.

This structure is commonly used in jokes and humor. Here are examples for clarification:

“Can you take a nuclear blast head-on? Even tanks wouldn’t survive it. You’re stronger than tanks.”
“Can you stop a charging train head-on? Even armored cars can’t. What are you made of?”

These examples follow the same structure.
Now let’s return to the original text.

In the first part, it is a question: “ you can take Acheron’s blade head on?” It is presented as if it describes something that already happened. From the story’s perspective, this never happened, and it would not make sense. However, from our perspective as players, a traffic light did in fact block Acheron’s ultimate strike in gameplay. As you know, this is a popular meme within the community, and Aha and the Masked Fools often break the fourth wall. Therefore, Aha could be referring to something that happened in gameplay — a well-known meme among players — and that is amusing and delightful from Aha’s perspective.
The second part: “Even Zephyro can't take Acheron’s blade head on.” From both the story’s perspective and the players’ perspective, this is logical. Acheron is an Emanator of the strongest Aeon, and even drawing her blade was enough to unintentionally spread Nihility across the Sweet Dream, which is the size of a galaxy. From Aha’s perspective, this does not seem humorous nor like a joke, given how close they are in power. Aha spreads jokes, not lies or slander. The use of Zephyro in this context clearly indicates that he is being used as a benchmark for strength. Whether this part is true or not does not benefit Aha in any way. After all, he is an Aeon and would not care about portraying one Emanator of Nihility as stronger than one Emanator of Nanook. Aha holds no grudges against Nanook.
The third part: “You are stronger than Zephyro.” From the story’s perspective, this is nonsense. From the players’ perspective, this is clearly a joke. From Aha’s perspective, this is the delight. He used a well-known meme through breaking the fourth wall in order to make a random traffic light stronger than the fiercest current enemy in the story. If you think about it from his perspective, that is completely amusing, and that serves his purpose. The idea that Acheron is stronger than Zephyro is not funny, since they are roughly at the same level. However, the idea that something trivial is stronger than Zephyro is the delight from Aha’s perspective.
From another linguistic perspective, I will explain the structure of this template and where the joke lies and why it is a joke. As mentioned earlier, this structure consists of three parts and is often used in jokes:

The rhetorical question: It begins with an impossible challenge — “Can you face X?”

Dramatic escalation: It suddenly escalates the situation by mentioning something that fails in comparison, making it seem even more impossible. This part functions as a benchmark, not as a joke. You cannot lie for the sake of escalation — “Even Y cannot face it.”

The reversal / incongruity: This is what makes it a joke — “Then you are stronger than Y.”

To further clarify the importance of the third part, let us slightly modify the structure. The sentence “Can you face a nuclear bomb? Even tanks cannot. You are stronger than tanks.” If we remove the third part, it becomes: “Can you face a nuclear bomb? Even tanks cannot.” As you can see, this becomes a simple statement of fact and has no connection to comedy. Therefore, Zephyro is used as escalation so that the third part becomes humorous.

As I mentioned earlier, the second part cannot be false, otherwise the joke loses its meaning. Imagine if the text were: “Can you face Acheron’s blade? Even a child cannot face it. You are stronger than a child.” This does not seem funny and instead sounds like mockery of the target. I do not understand why Aha would mock a random traffic light.

If we assume Zephyro can actually tank the strike, then the comparison fails dramatically. To clarify one last time, I will use another example: “Can you stop a bullet? Even tanks cannot. You are stronger than tanks.” Since tanks can, in reality, stop bullets, this would make the sentence sound foolish and illogical. If the second part is incorrect or weak, the comparison loses its comedic meaning.

So IMO the joke is not complete nonsense
 
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
As someone in the. "Acheron being comparable to zephyro is really just a placeholder" camp lemme overanalyze this scene and try to be fair to it

We need to distinguish between what Aha considers a joke and what is actually true. To understand this, let’s divide the text and analyze it from Aha’s perspective, from our perspective as players, and from the story’s perspective. Before that, let’s understand the structure of the text. It consists of three parts:
A strong rhetorical question.

Dramatic escalation.

Reversal / incongruity.

This structure is commonly used in jokes and humor. Here are examples for clarification:

“Can you take a nuclear blast head-on? Even tanks wouldn’t survive it. You’re stronger than tanks.”
“Can you stop a charging train head-on? Even armored cars can’t. What are you made of?”

These examples follow the same structure.
Now let’s return to the original text.

In the first part, it is a question: “ you can take Acheron’s blade head on?” It is presented as if it describes something that already happened. From the story’s perspective, this never happened, and it would not make sense. However, from our perspective as players, a traffic light did in fact block Acheron’s ultimate strike in gameplay. As you know, this is a popular meme within the community, and Aha and the Masked Fools often break the fourth wall. Therefore, Aha could be referring to something that happened in gameplay — a well-known meme among players — and that is amusing and delightful from Aha’s perspective.
The second part: “Even Zephyro can't take Acheron’s blade head on.” From both the story’s perspective and the players’ perspective, this is logical. Acheron is an Emanator of the strongest Aeon, and even drawing her blade was enough to unintentionally spread Nihility across the Sweet Dream, which is the size of a galaxy. From Aha’s perspective, this does not seem humorous nor like a joke, given how close they are in power. Aha spreads jokes, not lies or slander. The use of Zephyro in this context clearly indicates that he is being used as a benchmark for strength. Whether this part is true or not does not benefit Aha in any way. After all, he is an Aeon and would not care about portraying one Emanator of Nihility as stronger than one Emanator of Nanook. Aha holds no grudges against Nanook.
The third part: “You are stronger than Zephyro.” From the story’s perspective, this is nonsense. From the players’ perspective, this is clearly a joke. From Aha’s perspective, this is the delight. He used a well-known meme through breaking the fourth wall in order to make a random traffic light stronger than the fiercest current enemy in the story. If you think about it from his perspective, that is completely amusing, and that serves his purpose. The idea that Acheron is stronger than Zephyro is not funny, since they are roughly at the same level. However, the idea that something trivial is stronger than Zephyro is the delight from Aha’s perspective.
From another linguistic perspective, I will explain the structure of this template and where the joke lies and why it is a joke. As mentioned earlier, this structure consists of three parts and is often used in jokes:

The rhetorical question: It begins with an impossible challenge — “Can you face X?”

Dramatic escalation: It suddenly escalates the situation by mentioning something that fails in comparison, making it seem even more impossible. This part functions as a benchmark, not as a joke. You cannot lie for the sake of escalation — “Even Y cannot face it.”

The reversal / incongruity: This is what makes it a joke — “Then you are stronger than Y.”

To further clarify the importance of the third part, let us slightly modify the structure. The sentence “Can you face a nuclear bomb? Even tanks cannot. You are stronger than tanks.” If we remove the third part, it becomes: “Can you face a nuclear bomb? Even tanks cannot.” As you can see, this becomes a simple statement of fact and has no connection to comedy. Therefore, Zephyro is used as escalation so that the third part becomes humorous.

As I mentioned earlier, the second part cannot be false, otherwise the joke loses its meaning. Imagine if the text were: “Can you face Acheron’s blade? Even a child cannot face it. You are stronger than a child.” This does not seem funny and instead sounds like mockery of the target. I do not understand why Aha would mock a random traffic light.

If we assume Zephyro can actually tank the strike, then the comparison fails dramatically. To clarify one last time, I will use another example: “Can you stop a bullet? Even tanks cannot. You are stronger than tanks.” Since tanks can, in reality, stop bullets, this would make the sentence sound foolish and illogical. If the second part is incorrect or weak, the comparison loses its comedic meaning.

So IMO the joke is not complete nonsense
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Ill read this in like 3 hours
 
If you laugh, it's a joke. If you don't laugh, they're the joke.

Yo I just opened Hoyolab, what's with the waist pics 🥀
 
I think how Acheron vs Zephyro plays out will probably be based on their powers. Physical stats wise I think they'll make them basically the same, but how Destruction interacts with Nihility will probably be a key aspect to determining the outcome of the battle.

Dahlia did show that Destruction can just burn away Nihility, so Zephyro could probably do something like that to a significantly greater degree. Or perhaps he might even get stronger if Acheron keeps giving him her color (red) as Zephyro sharpens the fading colors of Nihility into his white light.
 
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