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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

The problem is that we have all the feats for those stuff to be metaphysical, so they're not restricted by dimensionality in the slightest.
Yeah but it comes down to the same thing, you have abstract statements but in the end you make the thing physical
It is not the Path itself that is 1-B, it is the reality it governs that is
Because it's Honkai, everyone is somehow opposed against 1-A even if it's practically the most blatant thing you see here
I am not opposed to 1-A
I mean, it's not like someone's capable of comprehending the actual Tree. Not even to the likes of Otto when what he encountered is simply a mere projection of the Tree that allows him to make a timeline where Kallen survived the original disaster by rewriting history altogether. If someone's capable of understanding the true nature of the Tree, 100% more powerful than the Aeons combined or whoever it is
Logical
Uhhh, so let me get this straight, are going to make an massive revision for this verse? And the chars that aren't Emanators are going to downgraded? I'm confused ATM kekw
I made a downgrade proposal yes, it's the Emanators who will go down, they will no longer touch 1-B or just Iron Tomb since he has the possibility of killing an Aeon (but he doesn't have the feat so I think it will be something like "eventually")
Nothing. Ever. Happens.
(⁠-⁠_⁠-⁠メ⁠)
 
IT emerge crom SoQ was a thing in HI3rd long ago, HSR just reconfirm it
 
IT emerge crom SoQ was a thing in HI3rd long ago, HSR just reconfirm it
Something crazy is how SoQ (More specifically Bubnle universes) is literally mirror of IT leaves according to shcrodinger
while IMG space encompasses everything
AND THEY STILL use IT with IMG space for some unknown reason (lately this did not happen but i.e otto arc did it all the time)
 
Hmmm, the raw one says 无朋 wú péng, which is supposed to mean "friendless" I don't know if it can mean "unrivaled" in this context.
Friendless is most likely refering to the relationship between the tree and the sea, described in early days of HI3rd, the Sea eat away the Tree, but the Tree also suck the Sea water for nourishment, the leaves fall off the tree branch into the Sea, the Sea slowly erode the leaves as nourishment too. It was long ago so i don't remember the exact 1:1 statement, but the meaning is roundly like this
 
I haven't thought about it too much yet on the spot, as for Hsr I would say that the Aeons remain 1-B (I'm still wondering about the avatars if they should keep the 1-B rating, at least it's contextual), the avatars adapt to their own feats, the Emanators keep their 3-B rating, and for the Pathriders idk, in my opinion it's mainly the Emanators and the Aeon avatars who will go down
And for chain scaling, speed, Pedja has already said that he will revise it, I will not deal with AP and lifting force right away, AP I am too lazy and lifting force is completely unknown to me (I am sure that Hyacine must not benefit from it).

I want to make it clear, though, that you have every right to disagree with my proposals, and I'm willing to listen to any arguments that may arise. I'm not here to destroy the verse anyway; the community is already taking care of that, given all the Enigmata Pathriders you can find there. But I much prefer to have a stable verse with real foundations that don't change every few days rather than an unstable one with scaling that can be greatly improved.
It's easy to scale the Aeons and Emanators as well as characters at their level, what I really want to see if you can think of better method how we should scale everyone below them and which Tiers they should be. This is a genuine question, as you seem to disagree a lot with current scaling but can't think of a better scaling method for everyone bellow the God Tiers and Top Tiers
 
If it is that so, why do you still use immeasurable speed then on profiles?
You'll have to ask others, I haven't made any profiles. But from memory there are two keys. One for Welt Hi3 and another for Welt HSR. For me, a third one should be created for Welt APHO.
 
HSR a confirmé que l'IT est né de SoQ, mais il a également confirmé que l'IT est sans égal par rapport au SoQ, la couronne de l'Arbre absorbant l'énergie imaginaire était à cause des Éons qui y sont hébergés et des Chemins, donc cela a en quelque sorte confirmé que
I will repeat it but in hsr, it is only a theory and given what is said in it it would speak of the set of leaf worlds combined with imaginary energy and not the real imaginary tree
 
Friendless is most likely refering to the relationship between the tree and the sea, described in early days of HI3rd, the Sea eat away the Tree, but the Tree also suck the Sea water for nourishment, the leaves fall off the tree branch into the Sea, the Sea slowly erode the leaves as nourishment too. It was long ago so i don't remember the exact 1:1 statement, but the meaning is roundly like this
Yeah, when I read the scan I thought of it more as some sort of relationship between IT and SoQ.
I suppose it could be translate as that if it translate in literal sense...
But... Ehhh... Idk 😵‍💫(now I really doubt the "unrivaled" part 😭)
I learned the meaning of the synogram a few years ago so I don't know if it can mean anything other than "friendless", that's maybe why I hadn't seen a statement that declares that IT is unrivaled (⁠・⁠_⁠・⁠;⁠)
It's easy to scale the Aeons and Emanators as well as characters at their level, what I really want to see if you can think of better method how we should scale everyone below them and which Tiers they should be. This is a genuine question, as you seem to disagree a lot with current scaling but can't think of a better scaling method for everyone bellow the God Tiers and Top Tiers
(I can't express myself properly in English, sorry)
So there are some things I disagree with (Amphoreus necessarily but no one will accept it) like the fact that the Emanators have a 1-B note etc. but I am not opposed to all scaling, it is mainly the chain scaling and the different current profiles, I find them excessive and inflated
I mean that the current chain scaling is too generous (or wrong, I'm only targeting Herta this time)
 
You'll have to ask others, I haven't made any profiles. But from memory there are two keys. One for Welt Hi3 and another for Welt HSR. For me, a third one should be created for Welt APHO.
the CRT was accepted, he keeps his imea as Pathrider because it is comparable to his prime, the problem is not really Welt's Speed, the thing is that in Hsr Welt is straight as a post during almost all the action scenes he has, or he moves very little (not enough to do anything solid)
 
the CRT was accepted, he keeps his imea as Pathrider because it is comparable to his prime, the problem is not really Welt's Speed, the thing is that in Hsr Welt is straight as a post during almost all the action scenes he has, or he moves very little (not enough to do anything solid)
But the action scenes arent the only times he has ever fought.
 
he keeps his imea as Pathrider because it is comparable to his prime
Whether Welt is in his prime or not is still unknown
These days, Welt rarely fights, and it remains unknown whether or not he retains the strength from his heyday. Gravity manipulation has remained his usual combat means, ever since his cane was transformed from the Star of Eden.
 
Whether Welt is in his prime or not is still unknown
These days, Welt rarely fights, and it remains unknown whether or not he retains the strength from his heyday. Gravity manipulation has remained his usual combat means, ever since his cane was transformed from the Star of Eden.
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He exaggerates things like how most Main Caster does.
That's literally part of his job.
So whenever he is doing the keeping up with Star rail bit. I tend to be more wary of taking his words sa gospel
Oh boy you are not gonna like the other additions that used keeping up with star rail 😭. Also is there anything that shows it was an exaggeration? All we have is another statement saying its unknown due to him rarely fighting and the current statement where he can finally show off his strength from his prime due to finally fighting.
 
Oh boy you are not gonna like the other additions that used keeping up with star rail 😭. Also is there anything that shows it was an exaggeration? All we have is another statement saying its unknown due to him rarely fighting and the current statement where he can finally show off his strength from his prime due to finally fighting.
Not saying he is not reliable, but if his words are contradicted by in-game content, I would prioritize in-game content. (this is talking about the shorter videos about introducing characters)

especially after he admits that his words are written by directors on introducing characters

Regardless, I don't think this would affect HSR as a whole since most of it is secondary evidence to already existing evidence for characters.

i just do not trust that Owl nor the IPC (except topaz)

Edit: As for the whole immeasurable Welt scaling chains in HSR. I'd personally believe it should be a possibly rating and that they should have their own rating outside Immeasurable speed scaling.
 
Not saying he is not reliable, but if his words are contradicted by in-game content, I would prioritize in-game content. (this is talking about the shorter videos about introducing characters)
Yeah but his words aren't really contradicted in game. It just doesnt confirm nor deny it because he rarely fights.
i just do not trust that Owl nor the IPC (except topaz)
Why the IPC lol
 
Why the IPC lol
Bro. Their lore is that the Stonehearts are in it for their own agenda, but somehow managed to make a massive conglomerate of capitalism and hierarchy. Not to mention, they have the power and access to much information (like how Dreamscape has lost the blessing of Ena's Order and thus are dangerous now), but instead use it as a bargaining chip for further capitalism against the Tree guy. Not to mention Jade alone made me dislike IPC as a whole and Boothill's Backstory. Then lastly, the whole Chadwick imaginary implosion Pulse. These are the types of people who would tell half-truths, and seeing that they control the majority of interstellar news they are probably familiar with half-truths to push a narrative and agenda

Their roles and positions in the story are really important, but I still do not like them.

I'm glad they do not exist in Amphoreus (YET)
 
This is the scan id genuenly remove bcs his only ever showcased shit is one shotting DD beast and being glazed by express even by Evernight
If he gets glazed in every arc by his own team and is still getting glazed by even evernight in the latest patch after how many updates since DD Beast then that scan is valid
 
If he gets glazed in every arc by his own team and is still getting glazed by even evernight in the latest patch after how many updates since DD Beast then that scan is valid
Id still not take Owlbert statement because welt outside using blackhooes has done nothing else on or off screen, had used authrority of reason abilities 0 times in combat and is yet to use imaginary singularity rebuild which can kill higher dimensional beings so nah hes not allat
 
Id still not take Owlbert statement because welt outside using blackhooes has done nothing else on or off screen, had used authrority of reason abilities 0 times in combat and is yet to use imaginary singularity rebuild which can kill higher dimensional beings so nah hes not allat
Give it time
 
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