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Welcome to the Family, sonMan idk Star Rail scaling I just got this game and suffer from a gambling addiction (not really but like... gacha game moment)
Yeah some profiles lack speed rating for reasons unknownSome characters like Kafka are Sub-Rel while others are Unknown. I'm so lost
I'm pretty sure they are still treated as higher than actual ap for a lot of verses, but I'm not sure.I mean...slashes do something similar; they focus energy on the apex of an edge to "wedge" through material, and sometimes this can be incredibly fine like obsidian blades.
So why does "surface area" only apply to piercing attacks while slashes practically do the same thing?
Bro got five 5-stars at rank 17 how tf-For reference, I'm only at Trailblazer Rank 17 atm, and I have some 5-stars, including Topaz, Seele, Bronya, Welt, and Kafka
It's called building up a ton of login bonuses and the like without actually making much progress lolBro got five 5-stars at rank 17 how tf-
What a ******* lucksack lmfaoFor reference, I'm only at Trailblazer Rank 17 atm, and I have some 5-stars, including Topaz, Seele, Bronya, Welt, and Kafka
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Is this some mftl sam argument?I wanna know what you guys think about this
"the Welkin Empire of Glamoth enjoyed a vast territory spanning tens of thousands of light-years"
Iron Cavalry
The Iron Cavalry Knights are genetically engineered warriors created by the Republic of Glamoth to fight against the Swarm. The Iron Cavalry consisted of short-lived genetically engineered humans who were created for the sole purpose of fighting the Swarm in armored suits. They were educated to...honkai-star-rail.fandom.com
We'll just assume it's 10k light year, so
10000 light year = 94607304725800440000 meters
Now, 94607304725800440000/299792458 = 315 billion c value (MFTL+)
"Until one day, knights clad in mechanical armor descended from the sky and wiped out the sun-swallowing Swarm. Since then, the silver-white iron knights have traveled to and from the various star systems in the empire, crossing the devastated territories and fighting back against the calamity that wiped out the galaxy. "
Kinda, and it probably wouldn't scale to anyone except for Sam and this probably would be like "MFTL+ Travel Speed with whatever thing that lets Sam cross that 10k light year" because during Sam vs Acheron's fight the jetpack that he used to fly doesn't even travel that far and Sam was not able to dodge Acheron's "red" slash either on the 2.0 trailerIs this some mftl sam argument?
Kinda, and it probably wouldn't scale to anyone except for Sam and this probably would be like "MFTL+ Travel Speed with whatever thing that lets Sam cross that 10k light year" because during Sam vs Acheron's fight the jetpack that he used to fly doesn't even travel that far and Sam was not able to dodge Acheron's "red" slash either on the 2.0 trailer
There's no timeframe here, so I'm not sure how you could get a speed calc. You'd need to assume some form of timeframe if anyone's able to traverse the entire empireI wanna know what you guys think about this
"the Welkin Empire of Glamoth enjoyed a vast territory spanning tens of thousands of light-years"
Iron Cavalry
The Iron Cavalry Knights are genetically engineered warriors created by the Republic of Glamoth to fight against the Swarm. The Iron Cavalry consisted of short-lived genetically engineered humans who were created for the sole purpose of fighting the Swarm in armored suits. They were educated to...honkai-star-rail.fandom.com
We'll just assume it's 10k light year, so
10000 light year = 94607304725800440000 meters
Now, 94607304725800440000/299792458 = 315 billion c value (MFTL+)
"Until one day, knights clad in mechanical armor descended from the sky and wiped out the sun-swallowing Swarm. Since then, the silver-white iron knights have traveled to and from the various star systems in the empire, crossing the devastated territories and fighting back against the calamity that wiped out the galaxy. "
Yeah true I just divided the 10k light year by the speed of light, so that 315 billion MFTL+ thing would be if you traverse the entire empire in an instant theoreticallyThere's no timeframe here, so I'm not sure how you could get a speed calc. You'd need to assume some form of timeframe if anyone's able to traverse the entire empire
Also, for the distance, you could use 20,000 light-years since it says "tens of thousands" (plural)
Looks fine, the images look a bit large, but it might be bc I'm on mobile rnMade a rough Sandbox for Welt Yang, just wondering what yall think about it
Shouldn't the statistics for the HSR version be different?Made a rough Sandbox for Welt Yang, just wondering what yall think about it
What do you mean by "be different" cause it's still the same guy from Impact 3rd (And the profile isn't big enough to justify 2 seperate pages)Shouldn't the statistics for the HSR version be different?
No like, HSR Welt doesn't have his Herrscher Core & Honkai Energy anymore. Just like how you didn't put that in his profile either, I'm just asking how could the statistics be the same tbh. I just thought there would probably be an "outlier" possibility probably since we don't know how consistent that would be since the feat is from HI3What do you mean by "be different" cause it's still the same guy from Impact 3rd (And the profile isn't big enough to justify 2 seperate pages)
One last question:I'm pretty sure they are still treated as higher than actual ap for a lot of verses, but I'm not sure.
Either way, it would be a user-error on the ends of those who made xyz verse if they didn't account for it.
Typically though, they have an actual valid reason to scale to whatever they slashed (such as their slashes stopping attacks, them tanking an attack, etc. etc. etc., rather than things like in Argenti's case, where it's one singular feat that's done with piercing damage exclusively).
It's a complicated topic and I don't know what to specifically tell you whilst also keeping the message brief.
We don't know how they even travelled tho. Especially when spaceships are a heavy common form of transportation in this game.I wanna know what you guys think about this
"the Welkin Empire of Glamoth enjoyed a vast territory spanning tens of thousands of light-years"
Iron Cavalry
The Iron Cavalry Knights are genetically engineered warriors created by the Republic of Glamoth to fight against the Swarm. The Iron Cavalry consisted of short-lived genetically engineered humans who were created for the sole purpose of fighting the Swarm in armored suits. They were educated to...honkai-star-rail.fandom.com
We'll just assume it's 10k light year, so
10000 light year = 94607304725800440000 meters
Now, 94607304725800440000/299792458 = 315 billion c value (MFTL+)
"Until one day, knights clad in mechanical armor descended from the sky and wiped out the sun-swallowing Swarm. Since then, the silver-white iron knights have traveled to and from the various star systems in the empire, crossing the devastated territories and fighting back against the calamity that wiped out the galaxy. "
Looks good, though for his second and third key in the speed section, I think you should just note: "Should be the same as before" as I don't think there's any indication Welt decreased in speed?Made a rough Sandbox for Welt Yang, just wondering what yall think about it
I have the statistics as similar cause Owlbert (Narrator) states HSR Welt has power on the level of HI3, while his character story makes it ambiguous saying HSR Welt is less than or equal to HI3 Welt even though his authority of reason is clearly weakened (cause so far in HSR the only thing he's done with it is remodel Star of Eden into a cane and make Low resolution Arahato episodes)No like, HSR Welt doesn't have his Herrscher Core & Honkai Energy anymore. Just like how you didn't put that in his profile either, I'm just asking how could the statistics be the same tbh. I just thought there would probably be an "outlier" possibility probably since we don't know how consistent that would be since the feat is from HI3
never...Also is that HI3 AP downgrade thing ever going through or is that stuck in limbo forever
For his second key Alien space does imply hes overall in a weaker state due to the events of Second Eruption but yeah I think its fine to change that, For his third key sure, I was just giving some further justifications for it (cause HSR has calcs in similar ranges)Looks good, though for his second and third key in the speed section, I think you should just note: "Should be the same as before" as I don't think there's any indication Welt decreased in speed?
I have no clue so I just made the Sandbox around Tier 6 stats HI3 characters would have if they get downgradedAlso is that HI3 AP downgrade thing ever going through or is that stuck in limbo forever
Yeah, that's currently the alternative if we do cross scaling for HSR and HI3I have no clue so I just made the Sandbox around Tier 6 stats HI3 characters would have if they get downgraded
But ngl since alot of characters are stronger than Welt in HI3 may as well cross scale off HSR
I'm agreeing with the cross-scaling, especially because Welt in HSR is the same Welt in HI3.Yeah, that's currently the alternative if we do cross scaling for HSR and HI3
Not to mention, there's multiple instances that confirm they are the same:I'm agreeing with the cross-scaling, especially because Welt in HSR is the same Welt in HI3.
And HI3 Welt (Especially during 2nd Eruption) should be superior to HSR Welt, especially if in Alien Space he was stated to have grown weaker. There's also his character story in HSR that states it is unknown if he retained his power he once had in HI3.
So logically: HI3 Welt > HSR Welt.
And there's multiple other characters stronger than HI3 Welt, even during his prime in 2nd Eruption (such as late-story Kiana/Mei/Bronya and antagonists such as Kebin), so:
Other characters > HI3 Welt > HSR Welt
Also off the top of my head even London Holiday Durandal who should be stronger than 2E Welt, has a statement of having a good fight against Kevin's ELF, who was was made with 1% of Base Kevin's power which might function as a multiplier for the HI3 heavy hittersI'm agreeing with the cross-scaling, especially because Welt in HSR is the same Welt in HI3.
And HI3 Welt (Especially during 2nd Eruption) should be superior to HSR Welt, especially if in Alien Space he was stated to have grown weaker. There's also his character story in HSR that states it is unknown if he retained his power he once had in HI3.
So logically: HI3 Welt > HSR Welt.
And there's multiple other characters stronger than HI3 Welt, even during his prime in 2nd Eruption (such as late-story Kiana/Mei/Bronya and antagonists such as Kebin), so:
Other characters > HI3 Welt > HSR Welt
Yeah that's fine and all, and I get that, but has anyone done that? Or has anyone even crossed the empire in any amount of time before? Genuinely curious since I'm not too familiar with the story (as one might imagine given my low rank lol)Yeah true I just divided the 10k light year by the speed of light, so that 315 billion MFTL+ thing would be if you traverse the entire empire in an instant theoretically
And for the 20k light year, I calculated that first before the 10k and the result would be like 631 billion
Space traveling of that type usually happens in spaceships (like parlor train for astral express) so i doubt anybody has done that alone without any vehicle unless there is a clear proof someone did itYeah that's fine and all, and I get that, but has anyone done that? Or has anyone even crossed the empire in any amount of time before? Genuinely curious since I'm not too familiar with the story (as one might imagine given my low rank lol)
Not entirely sure but I think they'd scale to the full energy amount with an "at least".One last question:
What Durability would a character be if they completely tank a piercing attack or slash then?
And I'm talking like, having the blade stop when it touches them (or perhaps even shatter on contact) without leaving any kind of wound, not just "it scratches them", but full-on stopping. Such as using their bare arm to stop a sword slash or something.
Mainly asking because of this "surface area" stuff implies they need far higher durability to tank through stabs/slashes. (I actually think I seen a blog that said being completely "bulletproof" to 9mm would require like 9-A durability because of surface area rather than 9-C)
I'll post the calcs for it tomorrow, as well as the Phanytlia star throw calc and the Kiana FTL bullet calc.Also is that HI3 AP downgrade thing ever going through or is that stuck in limbo forever
You don't have to worry about Phantylia's star calc, I already corrected itI'll post the calcs for it tomorrow, as well as the Phanytlia star throw calc and the Kiana FTL bullet calc.
So it's both a downgrade and upgrade, I guess.
Then whenever that gets accepted/rejected I'll make a CRT regarding it. I guess.
What's the feat exactly?Kiana FTL bullet calc
HI3 characters are apparently getting upgraded to High 3-AAlso is that HI3 AP downgrade thing ever going through or is that stuck in limbo forever