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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
I will say it again, the arguments in this thread against the solid 4-A for overall AP and Dura are pretty weak, Argenti even had to use his full power to fight against The Trailblazer and still lost, and if someone dare to assume he doesn't used his piercing attacks against our trash panda, I will call it bullshit and headcannon, since by what we saw in his gameplay as a playable character and his movements as a Boss enemy, in all of them he indeed use piercing attacks in combat, it should be an indication of how he battled against Caelus/Stelle, which means that they should have took attacks from Argenti trying to pierce them, and even so The Trailblazer was the one who came out as the winner on their 1v1, not Argenti
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Your lack of understanding of how physics work is astounding.
The sun has an average area of 6.09e+22 cm2, a spear tip has an average area of around 1 cm2, which is pretty generous if anything.
The Phantylia feat is 5.584e+38 Joules.
The Sun produces 3.8e+26 Joules per second. It's GBE is 2.3e+41 Joules, which the Giant Sting wouldn't scale to regardless.
This means that the Sun, upon impact, would release 6239.7 J/cm2 assuming it's energy emission rate, or 3.7766831e+18 J/cm2 assuming it's GBE.
Argenti's spear would focus 5.584e+38 J/cm2, which is 1.4785461e+20 TIMES MORE THAN WHAT THE GIANT STING TANKS.

In no way, shape, or form, can Argenti scale to the Giant Sting
 
Avengershows said:
Your lack of understanding of how physics work is astounding.
The sun has an average area of 6.09e+22 cm2, a spear tip has an average area of around 1 cm2, which is pretty generous if anything.
The Phantylia feat is 5.584e+38 Joules.
The Sun produces 3.8e+26 Joules per second. It's GBE is 2.3e+41 Joules, which the Giant Sting wouldn't scale to regardless.
This means that the Sun, upon impact, would release 6239.7 J/cm2 assuming it's energy emission rate, or 3.7766831e+18 J/cm2 assuming it's GBE.
Argenti's spear would focus 5.584e+38 J/cm2, which is 1.4785461e+20 TIMES MORE THAN WHAT THE GIANT STING TANKS.

In no way, shape, or form, can Argenti scale to the Giant Sting
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Are you seriously using the "that is not how physics works" argument in a verse where there is a space train that can travel through space-time and interstellar distance? In a verse where we are seeing and messing up with stuff that constantly distorts the laws of physics and the reality? In a verse where we have flagships that are the size of entire planet? In a verse that a space station can withstand a battle between beings that have the power to destroy a planet without any ever lasting damage? In a verse we had things such as the Strange Mirror's dimension, the Ghost Lock, Simulated Universe, Dreamescape and etc? In a verse we had planets orbiting a black hole for dozens of years? And several of other similar stuff? Seriously?
 
Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
Are you seriously using the "that is not how physics works" argument in a verse where there is a space train that can travel through space-time and interstellar distance? In a verse where we are seeing and messing up with stuff that constantly distorts the laws of physics and the reality? In a verse where we have flagships that are the size of entire planet? In a verse that a space station can withstand a battle between beings that have the power to destroy a planet without any ever lasting damage? In a verse we had things such as the Strange Mirror's dimension, the Ghost Lock, Simulated Universe, Dreamescape and etc? In a verse we had planets orbiting a black hole for dozens of years? And several of other similar stuff? Seriously?
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Yes because that's how the site works.
If you argue "well physics don't matter!" I can equally argue that the feat isn't that high anyway because "Well they distort physics! We can't use physics to deduce their AP is that high!"
The Inverse Square Law applies to every single verse without question, unless there is an actual, verbatim statement against it.
Stop trying to wank the verse, it's annoying, and your logic is equally annoying in this.
 
Avengershows said:
Yes because that's how the site works.
If you argue "well physics don't matter!" I can equally argue that the feat isn't that high anyway because "Well they distort physics! We can't use physics to deduce their AP is that high!"
The Inverse Square Law applies to every single verse without question, unless there is an actual, verbatim statement against it.
Stop trying to wank the verse, it's annoying, and your logic is equally annoying in this.
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Yes, call me a wanker when I was not disrespecting you, hypocritical, I think you are very annoying too
 
Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
Yes, call me a wanker when I was not disrespecting you, hypocritical, I think you are very annoying too
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I did not call you a wanker, I called what you are doing wanking. And I did not call you annoying, but what you are doing currently. Please learn to not take everything as a personal attack.
What you are doing is in fact wanking the series, that is an objective statement.
You are actively advocating for an inconsistent ranking which does not align with wiki rules. That is wanking a series.
 
The arguing is crazy ☠️
we didnt even finish the 50% of playable cast nor did we conclude final scales
The 4-A argentina will wait and who knows we might get even better feat than that
 
Avengershows said:
I did not call you a wanker, I called what you are doing wanking. And I did not call you annoying, but what you are doing currently. Please learn to not take everything as a personal attack.
What you are doing is in fact wanking the series, that is an objective statement.
You are actively advocating for an inconsistent ranking which does not align with wiki rules. That is wanking a series.
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I will be very honest with you, at this point, because of your passive aggressive behavior in this thread lately, I don't have any wish to work together with you in this verse, I will be indirectly called a wanker by you if I give any of my opinions about the scaling of this verse, anyway, you can disagree with me of course, no problem, it is the fun of discussions, just don't call me annoying or indirectly insult me
 
If we have 4A feat doesn't matter which way reach us to it. Bare hand or sword that's dosen't matter because bro that's a fictional story and generally fictional characters can scales their weapon. If Argenti's sword can destroy a solar system than we accept argenti's 4A sure if we accept argenti's weapon>>>>> argenti's himself. And we have any reason for argenti's sword >>> argenti especially that sword can't deal with mc. Also I remember a crt which about your logic if you want I sende it's in here
 
AKUTO123 said:
If we have 4A feat doesn't matter which way reach us to it. Bare hand or sword that's dosen't matter because bro that's a fictional story and generally fictional characters can scales their weapon. If Argenti's sword can destroy a solar system than we accept argenti's 4A sure if we accept argenti's weapon>>>>> argenti's himself. And we have any reason for argenti's sword >>> argenti especially that sword can't deal with mc. Also I remember a crt which about your logic if you want I sende it's in here
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Honestly this is a never ending debate at this point, I remember when I saw someone scale Transduality Type 3 for Acheron on Discord and it was like that the Naught contains 3 states and therefore Acheron as the creator of the Naught itself should be plurality. Anyways, shouldn't it scale to his Durability regardless because it's not just your average weapon feat? He had to stab it with his spear so it would scale to his Durability too because of the energy that it needs to pierce the Giant Sting itself.
 
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Voidnether said:
Honestly this is a never ending debate at this point, I remember when I saw someone scale Transduality Type 3 for Acheron on Discord and it was like that the Naught contains 3 states and therefore Acheron as the creator of the Naught itself should be plurality. Anyways, shouldn't it scale to his Durability regardless because it's not just your average weapon feat? He had to stab it with his spear so it would scale to his Durability too because of the energy that it needs to pierce the Giant Sting itself.
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If we accept argenti's sword>>>> argenti's himself you are true but if we accept argenti's sword can compareble argenti' or trailblazers or any other characters we going to a circle because a sword can destroy a solar system but that's sword can't beat trailblazer then trailblazer >>> an energy which enough to destroy a solar system. Also how we can calculate different piercing damage and bare hands damage. I just don't see mostly different two of them. When I look other series we can accept same piercing feat and pounding feat
 
Voidnether said:
Honestly this is a never ending debate at this point, I remember when I saw someone scale Transduality Type 3 for Acheron on Discord and it was like that the Naught contains 3 states and therefore Acheron as the creator of the Naught itself should be plurality. Anyways, shouldn't it scale to his Durability regardless because it's not just your average weapon feat? He had to stab it with his spear so it would scale to his Durability too because of the energy that it needs to pierce the Giant Sting itself.
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Discord is a special place for that you wont (hopefully not) see that type of arguments here
And those tiktok scalers with Acheron killed hsr kevin she must be stronger than hi3 kevin
Even tho her butt got shut after welt threatened her
 
Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
I will be very honest with you, at this point, because of your passive aggressive behavior in this thread lately, I don't have any wish to work together with you in this verse, I will be indirectly called a wanker by you if I give any of my opinions about the scaling of this verse, anyway, you can disagree with me of course, no problem, it is the fun of discussions, just don't call me annoying or indirectly insult me
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Again, you are taking this personally and misinterpreting what I've said;
I've called your Argenti scaling wanking, becuase by definition it is.
If you wish to be offended and not talk, that's up to you.

AKUTO123 said:
Idk that's helping us but I found these about piercing damage https://vsbattles.com/threads/piercing-cutting-damage-attack-potency-revision.155368/ https://vsbattles.com/threads/a-possible-minor-new-rule-about-piercing-damage-staff-only.112036/
We still must ask a calculation mod for that's feat what is better
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From what I can see based off a quick skim, it's just saying "yeah sharp stuff tends to require less energy"

AKUTO123 said:
If we have 4A feat doesn't matter which way reach us to it. Bare hand or sword that's dosen't matter because bro that's a fictional story and generally fictional characters can scales their weapon. If Argenti's sword can destroy a solar system than we accept argenti's 4A sure if we accept argenti's weapon>>>>> argenti's himself. And we have any reason for argenti's sword >>> argenti especially that sword can't deal with mc. Also I remember a crt which about your logic if you want I sende it's in here
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Saying "It's fiction!" doesn't suddenly revoke the rules of this site, which were made to work in the way they do already.
Inverse square law is applied to this site equally, and as I've said above, this applies here too.

The gap between the Giant Sting (which is a gigantic bug that swallows stars) and every other feat is stupidly high an outright contradicts canon scaling. It just does not work. Hence why the safest and least wanky assumption is that Argenti's piercing damage is just high. Focusing dwarf star level attack potency onto an area of 1 cm2 will do far more damage than swallowing a star.
I genuinely don't see what's so complicated with this.
 
Avengershows said:
Again, you are taking this personally and misinterpreting what I've said;
I've called your Argenti scaling wanking, becuase by definition it is.
If you wish to be offended and not talk, that's up to you.
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See? You are again at that mentality talking "No, you are wrong! Just I am right!", what are you doing is the definition of arrogance

You are regarding everyone's opinion as if they are very wrong and yours like the absolutely right, don't be surprised if I don't appear in one of your CRTs in the future
 
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Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
See? You are again at that mentality talking "No, you are wrong! Just I am right!", what are you doing is the definition of arrogance

You are regarding everyone's opinion as if they are very wrong and yours like the absolutely right, don't be surprised if I don't appear in one of your CRTs in the future
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You don't have to if you don't want to, your fault.
And yes, I'd say with confidence that I am in fact correct here.
It's an outlier feat with no others to support Argenti & co being on that level, and it by wiki standards should not scale to that level.
 
Avengershows said:
You don't have to if you don't want to, your fault.
And yes, I'd say with confidence that I am in fact correct here.
It's an outlier feat with no others to support Argenti & co being on that level, and it by wiki standards should not scale to that level.
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Don't worry, btw, I really dislike you ;) You arrogant with superiority complex
 
Avengershows said:
Again, you are taking this personally and misinterpreting what I've said;
I've called your Argenti scaling wanking, becuase by definition it is.
If you wish to be offended and not talk, that's up to you.


From what I can see based off a quick skim, it's just saying "yeah sharp stuff tends to require less energy"


Saying "It's fiction!" doesn't suddenly revoke the rules of this site, which were made to work in the way they do already.
Inverse square law is applied to this site equally, and as I've said above, this applies here too.

The gap between the Giant Sting (which is a gigantic bug that swallows stars) and every other feat is stupidly high an outright contradicts canon scaling. It just does not work. Hence why the safest and least wanky assumption is that Argenti's piercing damage is just high. Focusing dwarf star level attack potency onto an area of 1 cm2 will do far more damage than swallowing a star.
I genuinely don't see what's so complicated with this.
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I mean...slashes do something similar; they focus energy on the apex of an edge to "wedge" through material, and sometimes this can be incredibly fine like obsidian blades.

So why does "surface area" only apply to piercing attacks while slashes practically do the same thing?
 
Woomica said:
@Enryu_The_Red_Tower sry for disturbing but why the characters like Blade and Trailblazer have unknown speed when we have seen them fight trough game (Blade vs Dan Heng and Jinglu)
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Idk why, I'm pretty sure we all agreed that Belbog/Early game guys should be Supersonic scaling to Bronya.

As for Xianzhou and beyond, they should all scale to Relativistic via Welt.
 
CloverDragon03 said:
Some characters like Kafka are Sub-Rel while others are Unknown. I'm so lost
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Kafka shouldn't scale to Sub-Rel. I've already pointed out how scaling to Seele is pretty flawed. Tho she should be Relativistic via keeping up with Welt.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Kafka shouldn't scale to Sub-Rel. I've already pointed out how scaling to Seele is pretty flawed. Tho she should be Relativistic via keeping up with Welt.
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Man idk Star Rail scaling I just got this game and suffer from a gambling addiction (not really but like... gacha game moment)

I'm guessing Welt has a Rel feat?
 
I'll probably just make a short CRT later after Avengers posts his High 5-A blog.
 
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