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Also, if I may ask why is there no official page about HSR yet? It's been a year literally..
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There already isAlso, if I may ask why is there no official page about HSR yet? It's been a year literally..
We're not using that because the context, as shown with that Kafka short, showed that they don't really blow up planets Frieza style. Just systematically destroy them from the inside out. It's honestly more like an intelligence feat.I calculated for the Black-Hole Feats (if it's even really a blackhole in the first place) & her fight with sam, the stellaron hunter thats probably the most possible to destroy planets if we use the stellaron hunter destroying planet statement and silver wolf's voiceline about sam and yeah they really only scale to 5-B lol
I see, well what about Sam then? In Silver Wolf's voiceline about Sam it's explicitly shown that it's just boom, boom boom and then it's over so pretty much that statement is for Sam..There already is
We're not using that because the context, as shown with that Kafka short, showed that they don't really blow up planets Frieza style. Just systematically destroy them from the inside out. It's honestly more like an intelligence feat.
Acheron black hole most likely isnt an litteral one as it doesnt cause anything to anybody who was inside her spaceI agree, so far 5-B is the most consistent from Acheron itself. I calculated for the Black-Hole Feats (if it's even really a blackhole in the first place) & her fight with sam, the stellaron hunter thats probably the most possible to destroy planets if we use the stellaron hunter destroying planet statement and silver wolf's voiceline about sam and yeah they really only scale to 5-B lol
I mean nothing really shows that he planet busts either. Causing internal disruption is established to be just what the Stellaron hunters do in general.I see, well what about Sam then? In Silver Wolf's voiceline about Sam it's explicitly shown that it's just boom, boom boom and then it's over so pretty much that statement is for Sam..
I still could argue using the "barrier" that Acheron & Aventurine mentioned if that's the reason, it's not even a blackhole when it's literally stated to be IX and IX is literally nothingnessAcheron black hole most likely isnt an litteral one as it doesnt cause anything to anybody who was inside her space
Makes sense, so what feats are we using since you said it's still 5-B regardless?I mean nothing really shows that he planet busts either. Causing internal disruption is established to be just what the Stellaron hunters do in general.
And Silverwolf's statement simply refers to just Sam being a muscle, nothing related to him being able to blow up planets or whatever
Idk when are we updating it, but we're currently scaling off of Dan Hen's 5-B statement and the doomsday beast being 5-BMakes sense, so what feats are we using since you said it's still 5-B regardless?
Xianzhou tooPenacony characters should actually be High 5-A because of Phantylia's feat but idk if Avengers shows has made that calc into a blog yet.
I recall Avengers saying that feat was wack or something. I forgot the reasoning.Pretty much Xianzhou Arc Trailblazer and others comparable to him shouldn't be just 4-A? Caelus/Stelle was able to take on and defeat Argenti on a 1v1 battle, who could pierced through the Giant Sting to get out of its stomach, which is big enough to have a starry sky inside of it's belly
Sorry for the bad language that I will use, but calling this feat "wack" or use the desbelief argument against it despite the explicit 4-A size of the Giant Sting seems to be pretty shitty reason in my viewI recall Avengers saying that feat was wack or something. I forgot the reasoning.
I have to agree with that, especially if it is explicitly that large. It should be a bit nonsensical to consider sheer size an "outlier".Sorry for the bad language that I will use, but calling this feat "wack" or use the desbelief argument against it despite the explicit 4-A size of the Giant Sting seems to be pretty shitty for me, at least in my view
iirc, someone argue against this using something like this:Sorry for the bad language that I will use, but calling this feat "wack" or use the desbelief argument against it despite the explicit 4-A size of the Giant Sting seems to be pretty shitty reason in my view
That's true for lower-tier things, but that logic gets real iffy when talking much, much higher tiers. Where any kind of damage would likely scale them to that tier.iirc, someone argue against this using something like this:
"if a bullet pierces a building, that doesn't make the gun building level, piercing attacks are usually capable of doing much more with much less energythan blunt attacks (such as explosions)"
referring to Argenti using a spear.
I think the Giant Sting scaling to be superior to the standard starry sky feat is fair enough, since the Giant String was so massively big that Astral Express' crew, Argenti and other characters doesn't noticed that they were inside of it's belly until they investigated further about the situation to know about how big the creature isBut how far into 4-A though? Equal to the feat of "creating a starry sky"?
Perhaps slap an "At least"/"likely higher" on it then.I think the Giant Sting scaling to be superior to the standard starry sky feat is fair enough, since the Giant String was so massively big that Astral Express' crew, Argenti and other characters doesn't noticed that they were swallow by it and inside of it's belly until they investigate further about the situation to know about how big the creature is
I think just straight 4-A is enough, due to how big this Tier isPerhaps slap an "At least"/"likely higher" on it then.
Not to mention, the body of such a creature would likely be extremely thick and very hard to pierce though, if it can basically swallow a star cluster or something of that regard.That's true for lower-tier things, but that logic gets real iffy when talking much, much higher tiers. Where any kind of damage would likely scale them to that tier.
Also why don't we just give "higher with piercing attacks" with any character that can use any kind of pokey stick if we're going down that route?
That's not work when we met higher scale. For example you can use e stick for blow up entire galaxy or use bare hand doesn't matter result is still would 3Ciirc, someone argue against this using something like this:
"if a bullet pierces a building, that doesn't make the gun building level, piercing attacks are usually capable of doing much more with much less energythan blunt attacks (such as explosions)"
referring to Argenti using a spear.
And why doesn't it work for higher tiers? Explain it scientifically.That's true for lower-tier things, but that logic gets real iffy when talking much, much higher tiers. Where any kind of damage would likely scale them to that tier.
Also why don't we just give "higher with piercing attacks" with any character that can use any kind of pokey stick if we're going down that route?
As someone who made argenti profile on hsr
The reason he has far higher instead of 4-A is first that yes piercing doesnt scale directly to said durability,but still being able to pierce something so gargantuan still requires some sort of big energy as you cant rly pierce something without trying hard meaning that if you would give a normal human to pierce that nothing would rly happen.
Next is that we dont know its exact size,we know its real,we know it has a stars inside but the size is still unknown
Still if you wanna argue that the "mouth" astral express is an opening created by argenti given its actually large you can calc something i guess but i prefer far highee
If y'all agree abt the feat scaling ill make crt about itPut it on Attack Potency & Striking Strength for now, I mean it's purely the spear's feat so it would make sense if it wouldn't scale to his durability regardless
It would require tons of energy, which High 5-A should be able achieve given an eyeball of what it is.As someone who made argenti profile on hsr
The reason he has far higher instead of 4-A is first that yes piercing doesnt scale directly to said durability,but still being able to pierce something so gargantuan still requires some sort of big energy as you cant rly pierce something without trying hard meaning that if you would give a normal human to pierce that nothing would rly happen.
Next is that we dont know its exact size,we know its real,we know it has a stars inside but the size is still unknown
Still if you wanna argue that the "mouth" astral express is an opening created by argenti given its actually large you can calc something i guess but i prefer far highee
we already have that calc for phantylia no?It would require tons of energy, which High 5-A should be able achieve
Have you posted it in a blog?It would require tons of energy, which High 5-A should be able achieve given an eyeball of what it is.
Can I see the feat again? Maybe I could get someone to calc it.Anyway argenti needs to have mftl+ speed bcs of that feat
Can I see the feat again? Maybe I could get someone to calc it.
The cn doesnt refer to stars as the literal but rather objects in the sky iircAren't most of the characters scaling to Dan Heng who fought monsters that can shallow stars, which is why they have 4-C scaling?
Not yet, I've been planning to. I think I'll do a one-shot blog-post for both Hi3rd and HSR, where I'll calc Fallen Star's destruction, and then Phantylia's featHave you posted it in a blog?
I will say it again, the arguments in this thread against the solid 4-A for overall AP and Dura are pretty weak, Argenti even had to use his full power to fight against The Trailblazer and still lost, and if someone dare to assume he doesn't used his piercing attacks against our trash panda, I will call it bullshit and headcannon, since by what we saw in his gameplay as a playable character and his movements as a Boss enemy, in all of them he indeed use piercing attacks in combat, it should be an indication of how he battled against Caelus/Stelle, which means that they should have took attacks from Argenti trying to pierce them, and even so The Trailblazer was the one who came out as the winner on their 1v1, not ArgentiAs someone who made argenti profile on hsr
The reason he has far higher instead of 4-A is first that yes piercing doesnt scale directly to said durability,but still being able to pierce something so gargantuan still requires some sort of big energy as you cant rly pierce something without trying hard meaning that if you would give a normal human to pierce that nothing would rly happen.
Next is that we dont know its exact size,we know its real,we know it has a stars inside but the size is still unknown
Still if you wanna argue that the "mouth" astral express is an opening created by argenti given its actually large you can calc something i guess but i prefer far highee
I do understand what you mean we can make crt abt that if neededI will say it again, the arguments in this thread against the solid 4-A for overall AP and Dura are pretty weak, heck, he even had all going out fight against The Trailblazer and still lost, and if someone dare to assume he doesn't used his piercing attacks against our trash panda, I will call it bullshit and headcannon, since by what we saw in his gameplay as a playable character and his movements as a Boss enemy, in all of them he indeed use piercing attacks in combat, it should be an indication of how he battled against Caelus/Stelle, which means that they should have took attacks from Argenti trying to pierce them, and even so The Trailblazer was the one who came out as the winner on their 1v1, not Argenti
I appreciate your help, but let me finish applying the playable character profiles I'm missing to apply first, when I finish them, we can do the CRT about itI do understand what you mean we can make crt abt that if needed