Honkai Impact 3rd

[Stocking.exe]

Long story short
Revision has been passed through

3x multiplier for Might of An Utu has been rejected

Characters are becoming High 7-A and High 6-C+
And now we actually gotta edit the pages

Then we should ask Ant-san to unlock Joachim boi first, He was being outdated for a long time

Also I feel free to edits right now if no one gonna do it.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Then we should ask Ant-san to unlock Joachim boi first, He was being outdated for a long time

I agree
Shame Joachim is now going off of second strongest 7-B tho to become High 6-C
Lmao

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Then we should ask Ant-san to unlock Joachim boi first, He was being outdated for a long time

Also I feel free to edits right now if no one gonna do it.

Don’t worry I’ll also help
I’ll start with Otto, Theresa, Sirin and Wendy

 

[Stocking.exe]

Don’t worry I’ll also help
I’ll start with Otto, Theresa, Sirin and Wendy

I'll take the rest then

 

[Stocking.exe]

So, Low 7-B people will be upgrade to High 7-A
Someone on the same level as Mei will be At least High 6-C to 6-A?
Kevin will be 6-A? Am I right?

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

So, Low 7-B people will be upgrade to High 7-A
Someone on the same level as Mei will be At least High 6-C to 6-A?
Kevin will be 6-A? Am I right?

Well its more like, anyone who scales to HOT Mei or Sirin gets
At least High 6-C, likely far higher possibly High 6-B to 6-A

Yep that happens to the Low 7-Bs

With Kevin its more like
His Durability is flat out 6-A
But his AP should be At least High 6-B(Downscaling since no multiplier) up to At least 6-A

 

[Avengershows]

Can you link me to the hyperion calc if you did it

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Can you link me to the hyperion calc if you did it

Calc for Hyperion?

Are you referring to my calc for Wendy and Mei being capable of powering the Selene?

 

[Avengershows]

Calc for Hyperion?

Are you referring to my calc for Wendy and Mei being capable of powering the Selene?

Yes that one, NVM i found it but i believe the selene is 8.4 hyperion reactors, however 10 hyperion reactors can supposedly cleave the world in two so i wanted to check if that's inconsistency and it seems that it is inconsistent

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Yes that one, NVM i found it but i believe the selene is 8.4 hyperion reactors, however 10 hyperion reactors can supposedly cleave the world in two so i wanted to check if that's inconsistency and it seems that it is inconsistent

Yeah likely inconsistency
Since earth splitting is Low 5-B

There’s a couple more inconsistencies as well
Like when I calculated Kiana flying to space in Meteoric Salvation as Sub-Relativistic

 

[Avengershows]

Yeah likely inconsistency
Since earth splitting is Low 5-B

There’s a couple more inconsistencies as well
Like when I calculated Kiana flying to space in Meteoric Salvation as Sub-Relativistic

Tht most likely isn't inconsistent since the bomb was in the process of detonating, if it took her half an hour to get to space it'd explode before she got there

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Tht most likely isn't inconsistent since the bomb was in the process of detonating, if it took her half an hour to get to space it'd explode before she got there

The issue is more how everything looks in the next scene
I based the distance off the size of the moon in the animated short as Kiana flew up

Using Angsizing the distance from the moon got to under 2000 kilometers meaning she flew over 300 000km
But the bomb detonation seems more like it’s at best a few hundred kilometers above at best.
Plus there’s a lot of weird cinematic time in the feat

 

[Avengershows]

The issue is more how everything looks in the next scene
I based the distance off the size of the moon in the animated short as Kiana flew up

Using Angsizing the distance from the moon got to under 2000 kilometers meaning she flew over 300 000km
But the bomb detonation seems more like it’s at best a few hundred kilometers above at best.
Plus there’s a lot of weird cinematic time in the feat

That is true. Oh and btw are we counting in Houkai Gakuen 2 into HI3? If so there's a character I'd like a profile made for, Jhana. She's a planet level honkai beast and herrscher of ocean, she blew up the Moon and Era Zero Earth (although she reversed the destruction), she also fought God Kiana and survived, as well as blew up multiple other planets before coming to the Earth.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

That is true. Oh and btw are we counting in Houkai Gakuen 2 into HI3? If so there's a character I'd like a profile made for, Jhana. She's a planet level honkai beast and herrscher of ocean, she blew up the Moon and Era Zero Earth (although she reversed the destruction), she also fought God Kiana and survived, as well as blew up multiple other planets before coming to the Earth.

Yeah its kind of a big shame since its not even the speed is the problem since if Low-Mid tiers her MHS with High tiers like Mei and Durandal being sub relativistic id say it would be consistent but oh well.

I think Houkai Gakuen 2 can be acknowledged as an alternate continuity or canon for example if we made a Final Herrscher page shed have a god kiana tab the same way that dbz and dbs Goku are handled
But if there is official confirmation that the final herrscher scales to god kiana then its fair game to use for scaling directly

 

[Avengershows]

Yeah its kind of a big shame since its not even the speed is the problem since if Low-Mid tiers her MHS with High tiers like Mei and Durandal being sub relativistic id say it would be consistent but oh well.

I think Houkai Gakuen 2 can be acknowledged as an alternate continuity or canon for example if we made a Final Herrscher page shed have a god kiana tab the same way that dbz and dbs Goku are handled
But if there is official confirmation that the final herrscher scales to god kiana then its fair game to use for scaling directly

Yeah i was thinking of making something like DBS too. We should also include people like Delta (Herrscher of Light), Jhana, ect.

Although the contrast in power is huge, for example HoT Mei in HG2 was stated to have enough power to destroy the world, Deltas mere existence threatening the planets existence, Jhana being repeatedly called planet level and having feats to back it up, God Kiana (btw there's no herrscher of the end in HG2, so that Kiana was just 2nd Herrscher Reincarnated Kiana) basically melting the surface of the planet, ect.

 

[Vietthai96]

HG2 feat is even more vague than HI3, the only good feat was HotE life wiping, aside from that it is mostly statements here and there

 

[Avengershows]

HG2 feat is even more vague than HI3, the only good feat was HotE life wiping, aside from that it is mostly statements here and there

It's not vauge lol. We literally see Jhana blow the Moon up and we see her casually fight God Kiana (not Herrscher of End, she doesn't exist in HG2, it's a continuous battle against herrschers) and we have a shit ton of planet level statements as well as the backstory of Jhana being her literally blowing up multiple planets and was called planet level multiple times directly
How is that vauge?

 

[Lapsad]

They have a fun theory like HG2 is a one of bubble universe.

 

[Avengershows]

They have a fun theory like HG2 is a one of bubble universe.

Its most likely another Universe, not a Bubble Universe, those are different.
But yeah HG2 doesn't have vauge feats it's outright stronger than HI3 and has broken feats that should put them at at least Planet Level

 

[Lapsad]

Many of fan theory marked a sence in comic when su was seen the leaf has showing a god kiana image.

 

[Avengershows]

Many of fan theory marked a sence in comic when su was seen the leaf has showing a god kiana image.

That's probably just the default herrscher look, besides honkai in HG2 and HI3 works different (in HG2 there is no cap to herrschers, they just keep going) and what not so it's most likely seperate universes/timelines

 

[Vietthai96]

It's not vauge lol. We literally see Jhana blow the Moon up and we see her casually fight God Kiana (not Herrscher of End, she doesn't exist in HG2, it's a continuous battle against herrschers) and we have a shit ton of planet level statements as well as the backstory of Jhana being her literally blowing up multiple planets and was called planet level multiple times directly
How is that vauge?

Jhana, humm, forgot that one, but well she is planet level Honkai Beast so.........lol, but again most impressive come with only two or three character. HI3 is even more broken

Its most likely another Universe, not a Bubble Universe, those are different.
But yeah HG2 doesn't have vauge feats it's outright stronger than HI3 and has broken feats that should put them at at least Planet Level

uhh, no, HG2 come way before HI3, like...........well alternative universe/timeline. Well both of their initial storyline is almost the same except that HI3 start with K-413 while HG2 is real Kiana

 

[Avengershows]

Jhana, humm, forgot that one, but well she is planet level Honkai Beast so.........lol, but again most impressive come with only two or three character. HI3 is even more broken

uhh, no, HG2 come way before HI3, like...........well alternative universe/timeline. Well both of their initial storyline is almost the same except that HI3 start with K-413 while HG2 is real Kiana

I never said HI3 came before HG2? I just said they might be in the same multiverse but on different timelines???

Also how did you forget Jhana? Also you're completely ignoring characters like Delta, HoT Mei, ect. who were all stated to be world ending.

Also you mentioned the Herrscher of the End which wasn't a concept developed until Honkai Impact 3rd, because in HG2 there is no limit to how many herrschers there is and there is none that is the final, that's why it wasnt the HoTE that ended humanity, but rather God Kiana aka Sirin Reincarnated Kiana. Have you actually listened to the dialogues or did you just skim through?

 

[Vietthai96]

I never said HI3 came before HG2? I just said they might be in the same multiverse but on different timelines???

Also how did you forget Jhana? Also you're completely ignoring characters like Delta, HoT Mei, ect. who were all stated to be world ending.

Also you mentioned the Herrscher of the End which wasn't a concept developed until Honkai Impact 3rd, because in HG2 there is no limit to how many herrschers there is and there is none that is the final, that's why it wasnt the HoTE that ended humanity, but rather God Kiana aka Sirin Reincarnated Kiana. Have you actually listened to the dialogues or did you just skim through?

Word Ending huh, well, world ending is not neccessary to be Planet level, someone with AP from Country level to Multi Continent could "ending the world" over time, like well, nuclear bomb also have power to ending the world you know.

I admit my memories with HG2 is really foggy, but HG2 Kiana is not Sirin Reincarnated, 2nd Honkai Errupt happen similar to HI3 and her consciousness reside in her gems after her physical body being destroyed, it stored in the Moonlight Throne battleship, thing happen here and there, well Senban Highschool and the whole zombie thing i don't want to repeat, it is freaking long...wee because of Cocolia doing her stupid thing, the core fused with Kian and turn her into Herrscher which later called HotE. She is called HotE because she is the end - the last herrscher appeared and end humanity, that all, and HoT Mei of that time is freaking weak. That is the end of the main story. but yeah the game still living so more content out with DLC, but most of them are branching timeline so we all kind of new char like Delta, Jhana who appear in Era:Zero DLC - the DLC which being cancelled. There are more, but shit this is so freaking headache

 

[Avengershows]

Word Ending huh, well, world ending is not neccessary to be Planet level, someone with AP from Country level to Multi Continent could "ending the world" over time, like well, nuclear bomb also have power to ending the world you know.

I admit my memories with HG2 is really foggy, but HG2 Kiana is not Sirin Reincarnated, 2nd Honkai Errupt happen similar to HI3 and her consciousness reside in her gems after her physical body being destroyed, it stored in the Moonlight Throne battleship, thing happen here and there, well Senban Highschool and the whole zombie thing i don't want to repeat, it is freaking long...wee because of Cocolia doing her stupid thing, the core fused with Kian and turn her into Herrscher which later called HotE. She is called HotE because she is the end - the last herrscher appeared and end humanity, that all, and HoT Mei of that time is freaking weak. That is the end of the main story. but yeah the game still living so more content out with DLC, but most of them are branching timeline so we all kind of new char like Delta, Jhana who appear in Era:Zero DLC - the DLC which being cancelled. There are more, but shit this is so freaking headache

They were literally stated to have the power to DESTROY the world, not end, DESTROY. 2 completely different words with different meanings.

Also no it literally is Sirin, re-watch the event again, she fused with Kiana but was still Sirin and even called Cocolia her mother. Also Jhana isnt just Era:Zero but also appears in the normal timeline, also Delta even in her non conscious pre evolution form was a threat which could and I quote "rip apart the world". Literal rip apart.

 

[Stocking.exe]

"Related by images doesn't mean related by causality"
I just know that HI3 is HI3, GGZ is GGZ
No evidences that point to the co-exist of this 2 verses, iirc the writer said that HI3 is a re-write work of GGZ

 

[Avengershows]

"Related by images doesn't mean related by causality"
I just know that HI3 is HI3, GGZ is GGZ
No evidences that point to the co-exist of this 2 verses, iirc the writer said that HI3 is a re-write work of GGZ

Ye I agree with that now that I think a bit, although I doubt the wiki will make a seperate page for HG2, so I personally vouch for tabs simillar to DBS since HI3 is a sort of re-write

 

[Lapsad]

if it rewrite then the feat from old can't be used except they have been shown in the new.

 

[Avengershows]

if it rewrite then the feat from old can't be used except they have been shown in the new.

Ye that's true, thats why I vouch for seperate keys

 

[Lapsad]

A scans on her profile should be remove. AE type 2 is following an old scans.

 

[Avengershows]

Yeah its kind of a big shame since its not even the speed is the problem since if Low-Mid tiers her MHS with High tiers like Mei and Durandal being sub relativistic id say it would be consistent but oh well.

I think Houkai Gakuen 2 can be acknowledged as an alternate continuity or canon for example if we made a Final Herrscher page shed have a god kiana tab the same way that dbz and dbs Goku are handled
But if there is official confirmation that the final herrscher scales to god kiana then its fair game to use for scaling directly

Oh yeah forgot to mention but did you calc Kevin freezing the Mediterranean sea?

 

[Neutralino]

Yes that one, NVM i found it but i believe the selene is 8.4 hyperion reactors, however 10 hyperion reactors can supposedly cleave the world in two so i wanted to check if that's inconsistency and it seems that it is inconsistent

Where was this stated?

 

[Avengershows]

Where was this stated?

Which part

 

[PsychicCipher-2]

I was thinking that Mei's HoT should be changed to just 6-B, no more and no less, scaling to Bright Knight Durandal, who is 1/100th of Kevin's power. I wouldn't exactly scale her to High 6-B and 6-A, given the poor condition Kiana was in at the time, and also that she is clearly in better health by the time she is dealing with Sentience.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Oh yeah forgot to mention but did you calc Kevin freezing the Mediterranean sea?

Nah since freezing calcs are under revision right now

 

[Vietthai96]

Nah since freezing calcs are under revision right now

Wait i think i forget that feat, did he instantly freezing it or it is over time with chain reaction

 

[Avengershows]

Wait i think i forget that feat, did he instantly freezing it or it is over time with chain reaction

It was instantly. It's when Durandal faced him

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

It was instantly. It's when Durandal faced him

Unfortunately it doesn't matter due to freezing calcs likely getting nuked entirely or being viewed as environmental destruction and not actual ap

Although I will still calc it out of curiosity just like i will still calc what it takes to V frag a continent based on Australia just out of curiosity(The Mu destruction feat) kinda as a thought expiriment

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Unfortunately it doesn't matter due to freezing calcs likely getting nuked entirely or being viewed as environmental destruction and not actual ap

Although I will still calc it out of curiosity just like i will still calc what it takes to V frag a continent based on Australia just out of curiosity(The Mu destruction feat) kinda as a thought expiriment

Well i did the math if the destruction of Mu assuming it was the same size and elevation of australia and if it happened very fast its either 57 Gigatons or 498 Gigatons so interesting although it probably wont go up for evaluation since Mu's Geography is so unknown
Well there are alot o unknowns

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I was thinking that Mei's HoT should be changed to just 6-B, no more and no less, scaling to Bright Knight Durandal, who is 1/100th of Kevin's power. I wouldn't exactly scale her to High 6-B and 6-A, given the poor condition Kiana was in at the time, and also that she is clearly in better health by the time she is dealing with Sentience.

Id be fine with upgrading her from High 6-C to At least 6-B(15 Teratons) since she literally one shot weakened HOV Kiana so her being higher than that is fine

But id rather we do that in a big revision and get it all done in one fell swoop