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Hikone's speed crt (Bleach)
- Thread starter Cyberblader90
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I suppose that explains it. Just a bit surprised that Yhwach got one-upped for once.
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but didn't Yhwach absorb Ichigo's hollow powers?
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Yes but that isn't accepted as Yhwach getting 5x stronger/faster I believe.
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We never counted that as a multiplier for speed for absorption, it is wrong doing so. The best you can argue its an addition and will still be FTL.
So yeah, Yhwach and Aizen stay like this.
Thanks, now it is done, you can close this thread.
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I agree with purgy
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Regarding the Prime Soul King, while you could understandably scale the Prime Soul King over everybody who exists in the verse at that time, the Prime Soul King no longer exists now.
How can there be any comparison between the Prime Soul King and Ichigo if the two of them don't exist at the same time?
How can there be any comparison between the Prime Soul King and Ichigo if the two of them don't exist at the same time?
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The SK is stated to be a nigh-omnipotent god that nobody can compare to, and while it is true that this was stated by Ichibe long ago, narratively it makes sense for Prime SK to be above anybody in the verse, I can't really prove it, but would you genuinely argue that Ichigo is faster than Prime SK?
Regardless, this justification has been used all the time on his profile, don't see why it's suddenly a problem.
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That really isnt an answer because Yhwach himself is also a transcendental being of a certain calibre, as well as Ichigo at the end.
Either way, I am neutral about the FTL+, It does not really change much, I think the current "At least FTL" is fine.
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I mean yhwach can do feats comparable to prime soul king. It's also stated that yhwach had all the reios power. So can make the comparison. It's also stated the hogykou can transform you into a soul king level beings. And in the databooks aziens final form is even compared to God or soul king. Which makes sense as soul king is a transcendent being like aizen
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I Disagree for this thread
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The thing is that, if we go with what Damage is suggesting, Prime SK becomes Unknown in speed, given that the statement only makes him faster than people of his time, people that have no feats, and SK has no accepted speed feats of his own.
Regardless, I don't really care enough to argue it extensively, speed is easily the most useless statistic on this wiki so whether he's unknown or MFTL+, it doesn't bother me much.
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Not really all of his power and more the husk, the soul king vopse did not have all of his power due to having his organs missing etc.
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I wouldn't really have a problem with him scaling to Unknown, or maybe scaling above Ichibe who we know existed at the time (if I'm remembering rightly).
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What evidence is there that Ichibe a million years ago is equatable to how fast he is now?
You're assuming he is, just like how I was assuming Prime SK would be above Ichigo, which is a pretty fair assumption imo.
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why this discussion is being brought up...
Reio still deserve an at least FTL, given it is a rating only Ichigo, Aizen and Yhwach have, Reio is still the supreme being that created the cosmos, and yes, reiastu also generally give stats, it doesnt make sense for him to be slow. I could understand the FTL+ since it is given to only a specific form of Ichigo, but the FTL should stay.
The current rating is fine.
Reio still deserve an at least FTL, given it is a rating only Ichigo, Aizen and Yhwach have, Reio is still the supreme being that created the cosmos, and yes, reiastu also generally give stats, it doesnt make sense for him to be slow. I could understand the FTL+ since it is given to only a specific form of Ichigo, but the FTL should stay.
The current rating is fine.
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Yhwach also had his heart and arms. +Yhwach's base power which is far superior to his heart,arms and husk. Also the other sterns he absorbed. So he should at least be comparable
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So you're fine with admitting that Prime SK is the supreme being of the verse that created everything but are against him being faster than Ichigo? That's contradictory.
Reiatsu doesn't correlate to stats in a linear fashion, someone can have lower Reiatsu but be faster than someone else and vice versa, take Yammy as an example, highest Reiatsu among the Espada but clearly nowhere near the fastest, or in contrast, Zommari, stated multiple times to have the fastest Sonido but is only ranked 7th in terms of Reiatsu.
I don't really care for the rating at this point but all that's happening here is that one assumption is being traded for another, it should either be Unknown or above everybody else in the verse for the reason that's already on his profile.
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That's a fair point. In that case I think an Unknown rating would be better.
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Thats not contradictory, FTL is literally the rating God Tier have, only Ichigo has a FTL+ for a specific form.
Taking exception as an argument doesnt matter, yammy is slow because it is big as ****, and I said "generally", so it does to a degree, you have to re read the manga again if you think otherwise, that is why FTL is fine, because generally speaking it the most suitable rating, you are the one arguing for FTL+.
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What's going on
Sorry I just woke up from a really bad headache
Sorry I just woke up from a really bad headache
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Yo can we move any necessary revisions for soul king speed to the second part of this thread.
This is dragging and I would like to get it closed
This is dragging and I would like to get it closed
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It is contradictory, to be the supreme being of the verse nobody else can be your equal, thus if you're calling him the supreme being then he has to be above Ichigo.
I'm arguing for either FTL+ or Unknown, there is no in between, you either accept that he's the supreme being of the verse and therefore the fastest, or you don't and he gets Unknown due to not scaling to anybody explicitly and having no speed feats of his own.
Proven wrong in my previous post, the first scan also doesn't mean that. Lastly, you clearly misunderstood, I didn't say a Reiatsu increase wouldn't make you faster, I said that simply having higher Reiatsu than somebody else doesn't necessarily make you faster than them.
I have to agree, if we're no longer using the fact that he's the verses supreme being, then he should get Unknown.
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Guys can decide the speed stats for other characters in another thread?
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Ichibie does scale above hikone he defeated prime ikomikidomi whos is stated to be much stronger than the one they fought in the novels
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I agree with Cyber, either leave the prime soul king as he is or move it to the second thread
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That happened after SK was sealed and mutilated, as such it's no different from saying current Ichibe = Ichibe from a million years ago.
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Or @Damage, how would a “unknown, likely FTL+“ work for the prime soul king?
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It is not contradictry, read again what I wrote, I consider him a God tier, thus it scales to the God tier ratings generally speaking. AKA FTL.
I'm not even against the FTL+, but given that, At least FTL is perfectly fine.
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That could be an alright compromise. Or "Unknown, possibly FTL+".
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I'm fine with this
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Ichibie straight up said prime soul king was stronger than him. Unless your gonna tell me ichibie is stronger than prime soul king
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Fine with the compromise
Can we apply it and then close this
Can we apply it and then close this
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not really, u have the legs missing + the other organs like his soul chain etc.
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I’m good with that too, so is everything finished with this thread then?
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