Vergil Lucifer said:
Well thats basic principle of wikis like ACF or VSB if it wasn't stated or feats - it never happened. Also I say that again but Ise would feel if it was been dragon slayer. Also even if itvwas, Gram didn't do a shit to him. How hell shity HD sword do this when he not even Satan class without Gram. And how hell such an attack work agains HD class when even Vali in EJOD could litteraly land a punch that could oneshot a Satan class and he is only Chief God class in EJOD. And HD class still trash him in that form. Difference is too high. Ravel say correct: Tactics and tricks are useless when opponent a hundred times stronger than you and you cannot inflict him damage even with his main weakness.
HOW HELL THIS IS NOT BULLSHIT?!
We are not arguing a vs debate here, so the rules of them are irrelevant. This is an argument about narrative. In narrative, there's no reason Yuuto wouldn't have made that sword not-Dragon Slayer. And where was it said that Issei didn't feel it? He doesn't need to mention dragon slayer aura specifically, and he did say he received considerable damage from the aura that permeated just like with Gram.
What's this about Gram not doing shit to him? Did you even read the fight? Because plenty of times he mentioned the aura permeating and causing him great damage and pain. There's also the fact that this is PIS by Ishibumi or just some special quality of infinity, not of raw strength, since once again, Crom Cruach had his wing torn off by a partial attack from a massively weaker Issei just because it had dragon slayer aura in it.
Vali in EJOD never one-shotted a Maou-class with a punch, lmao. He blew back Pluto with a punch which means it was effective, but it wasn't a one-shot at all. The one-shot came from Compression Divider. And affinity is not a "trick" especially when proven to work many times in the past. And he did inflict damage. You really should read before saying this sort of stuff, because it's not even the first time you use an incorrect reference to the novel:
And, the aura of the Dragon Slayer was transmitted along with the impact through the armor! ...... A pain difficult to express, attacks my body!
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Kiba's attacks only create a crack in the armor, but the impact and Dragon Slayer aura reach the interior of the armor. If this overlaps, the damage will build up, becoming unbearable intense pain!
It's not bullshit at all since the story has shown this kind of thing to work many times. If anything, Issei was upgraded to deal with it more easily, not downgraded. Try analyzing it again when you're less biased.
Vergil Lucifer said:
There are no bullshit in this and Sairaog is not Satan class (at least not current Satan class) in his BxB. All this things explained and logical.
Sairaorg in base is Ultimate-class currently according to DX.4, so logically he would be Maou-class in BxB. And even if he was not, the improvement of his base is still something that would be "bullshit" by your pseudo-logic. None of it is explained any further or with any more logic than Yuuto and Rias fighting Issei effectively. Try again.
Vergil Lucifer said:
I never say so but you logic is unlogical. Gram is only thing made Yuto Satan class by feats and its his most powerfull weapon far surpass his Holy-Demonic swords. And this weapon are useless agains P DxD G when who hell far more weaker weapon could work?
The weapon, once more and as quoted above, was not "useless" against PDxD. And even if Gram is superior to the Holy Demonic Swords in raw strength, the Dragon Slayer Holy Demonic Swords have double affinity advantage as opposed to just one, which while it might not make them keep up, it is still relevant.
Vergil Lucifer said:
Thats not even funny anymore. Tactics and tricks won't work than opponent hundred times above you and even his weakness is impossible for you to beat. Ise could just smash earth with punch and Yuto would be killed. Blast dragon shot to the ground and Yuto would be dead. All thibgs happened because author wanted to see some fight and don't care about power balance in last arc.
CxC Issei proved you wrong against Crom Cruach, lol. And how come you don't bring up these complaints when Issei without armor survives not one, but several attacks from the Super Devil Rizevim? Pure bias is what rules your opinions, which makes them irrelevant. Try next time when you actually care about consistency instead of just caring about Issei not one-shotting everyone just because he has a bigger raw strength number.
Vergil Lucifer said:
holy water on Riser Draig transfer armor power to gauntlet so Ise wasn't really be weaker than Riser.
Vali Ascalon Vali massively holding back + Ise overload his SG before strike him with Dragon Slayer that also was been boosted by several times.
He wasn't really got damaged
However, you still lack the firepower to break through me who is called the Darkness Dragon
Even in Incomplete Balance Breaker Issei was still only comparable to Riser at most, and the power Ddraig had left for Issei was textually just a "bit", so there's no way that was equivalent to Riser's total strength.
Vali holding back is irrelevant because holding back doesn't magically make you less durable. If a bear isn't trying to kill you it doesn't mean you can do more damage to it with your hands. And overloading his armor simply meant that he couldn't use Divide anymore as it wouldn't process the excess correctly, Vali's own power remained.
He was damaged. One of his wings got straight up torn off, how is that not being damaged? He even says it was a good attack, and the quote you provided simply means that it wasn't enough to beat him. And this was with only a half-blast, for that matter.
You still haven't replied to how you don't complain about Issei without armor taking attacks from Rizevim several times. Is your bias so much you can't address it?
