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Henry really cannot escape it anyway.Alright, so I checked the scan of the move you were talking about. It’s not instant, all it is doing is just pulling them into his thoughts, but it’s not instant
If he kills Necati then Necati will be an literal thought that Henry shouldnt be able to effect right?That would give Henry plenty of time to do Convert to turn Necati into his ally before he gets fully sent into Necati’s thoughts
Necati has RW too so he can probably wish for Henry to be his ally or whatever he wants. How would Necatis resistance to anything time based here?. Combined with the fact that this was only done once, I don’t see how Necati can really get past Henry’s retries.
Retries.Henry really cannot escape it anyway.
Even in scenarios where Henry successfully kills his target, it would’ve still triggered a FAIL sequence if something important has been lost like him accidentally killing Ellie when trying to kill a guard with the knee.If he kills Necati then Necati will be an literal thought that Henry shouldnt be able to effect right?
Pretty sure this would count as incapacitation and therefore Henry would just retry the moment it happens. Is that supposed to be thought-based?Necati has RW too so he can probably wish for Henry to be his ally or whatever he wants.
Unless he’s got Acausality Type 1 (which he doesn’t), he can’t really remember what he did after Henry retries.How would Necatis resistance to anything time based here?
Its an incapRetries.
How does that matter? He kills Necati with success. Necati uses his SR to incapEven in scenarios where Henry successfully kills his target, it would’ve still triggered a FAIL sequence if something important has been lost like him accidentally killing Ellie when trying to kill a guard with the knee.
Its talk based. “I want henry to be my ally” etc.Pretty sure this would count as incapacitation and therefore Henry would just retry the moment it happens. Is that supposed to be thought-based?
He is not effected by time so IdkUnless he’s got Acausality Type 1 (which he doesn’t), he can’t really remember what he did after Henry retries.
Which, as I said, he’s come back from before.Its an incap
...and Henry retries to an earlier point before he killed Necati so he can do another move.How does that matter? He kills Necati with success. Necati uses his SR to incap
Has he ever done this before?Its talk based. “I want henry to be my ally” etc.
Why does Henry retry after incap? He didnt die? He is just a thought now. Has he ever shown to come back from being turned into a though?Which, as I said, he’s come back from before.
...and Henry retries to an earlier point before he killed Necati so he can do another move.
Done what? Its rw? He can do anything he wants.Has he ever done this before?
He’s come back from being completely erased from his universe being destroyed, turned into a leaf, frozen, and on some occasions, the retry triggers just before disaster strikes for him. He’s able to retry just as long as he hasn’t met his goal yet, which is to defeat Necati for good. And if Henry dies just as he kills Necati, or he kills Necati but realizes he can’t affect him now that he’s a thought, he will retry so he can try another method of defeating him. And again, being placed into Necati’s thoughts isn’t instant, it literally took them seconds to be pulled into the thought clouds, and Henry can do his Convert much faster than that.Why does Henry retry after incap? He didnt die? He is just a thought now. Has he ever shown to come back from being turned into a though?
But has he really used it to turn people into his allies?Done what? Its rw? He can do anything he wants.
None of that proves that Henry can escape the thought. It would literally make him non-existant but not kill him.He’s come back from being completely erased from his universe being destroyed, turned into a leaf, frozen, and on some occasions, the retry triggers just before disaster strikes for him. He’s able to retry just as long as he hasn’t met his goal yet, which is to defeat Necati for good. And if Henry dies just as he kills Necati, or he kills Necati but realizes he can’t affect him now that he’s a thought, he will retry so he can try another method of defeating him. And again, being placed into Necati’s thoughts isn’t instant, it literally took them seconds to be pulled into the thought clouds, and Henry can do his Convert much faster than that.
No but he can. Plus doesnt henry have a limit? He wont have enough retrys to try every possible thing.But has he really used it to turn people into his allies?
And as I said, this counts as incapacitation, something Henry has come back from before. Mind you, he had his soul shattered yet he still came back through retries.None of that proves that Henry can escape the thought. It would literally make him non-existant but not kill him.
He hasn't really shown to have a limit with his retries. He is prone to doing every single option necessary to achieve what he needs.No but he can. Plus doesnt henry have a limit? He wont have enough retrys to try every possible thing.
Henry never came back from SR. EndAnd as I said, this counts as incapacitation, something Henry has come back from before. Mind you, he had his soul shattered yet he still came back through retries.
I looked at other henry threads and some people said there was a limitHe hasn't really shown to have a limit with his retries. He is prone to doing every single option necessary to achieve what he needs.
And retries have activated before disaster struck for Henry + SR is not instant. End.Henry never came back from SR. End
There's seemingly not. The only time he really reaches his limit is if he has achieved his goal.I looked at other henry threads and some people said there was a limit
The stuff Henry does is completely random, although if he knows one option doesn't work after getting a FAIL message, he tries another option, so he eventually tries that.Is Convert in character for Henry?
Henry is also pretty unlucky sometimes while Necati is always lucky making his odds even less. Henrys retry wont start because he is not dead and not gonna be hurt he will just have his state changedAnd retries have activated before disaster struck for Henry + SR is not instant. End.
Weird. They even showed a scan-There's seemingly not. The only time he really reaches his limit is if he has achieved his goal.
But does he even have all the options at any point??The stuff Henry does is completely random, although if he knows one option doesn't work after getting a FAIL message, he tries another option, so he eventually tries that.
Except I keep telling you that retries have activated for Henry even if he wasn't dead.Henry is also pretty unlucky sometimes while Necati is always lucky making his odds even less. Henrys retry wont start because he is not dead and not gonna be hurt he will just have his state changed
All of the options not showing at once is game mechanics, so we can assume he can do everything he's shown to do.But does he even have all the options at any point??
Can henry retry as a non existent though thats what I am asking probably not so. Another question convert does make then ally but it doesnt seem like an actual mind hax so it wont be an instant win right?Except I keep telling you that retries have activated for Henry even if he wasn't dead.
Getting frozen with his own ice spell? Came back from it.
Sent to maximum security where he's frozen up? Came back from it.
Stunned himself with his own boomerang? Came back from it.
Missing his shot but nothing happens to Henry? Still able to retry.
I think you get the idea here.
Whats stopping RW then? Necati should be able to use it to make himself win and its in character for him to use it in dangerAll of the options not showing at once is game mechanics, so we can assume he can do everything he's shown to do.
Thats what they are claiming. I wanna know how necatis complete lack of time would work here. Would he remember or would he literally not changeSo Henry virtually has hundreds of options to cycle through (lowball) and will eventually reach Convert? Just wanna make that clear. I'm not here to debate on anything tbh.
Henry's retrying seems to be within the scope you're thinking of. Henry can retry a scenario after being dismissed from reality for cheating at it, after accidentally crashing reality using MissingNo, after crashing reality and corrupting its stability using the CorrupTick, after going to a 1D state of being, after becoming stranded in an empty world, after being affected by Ultimate Freeze which keeps time paused, and after the scratched G.A.B.E.N. disk accidentally crashed reality. (My usage of the term "crash" is in the sense of sudden technological failure, taking into account that "reality" is canonically a video game in the Henry Stickmin Collection.) While not explicitly demonstrating that Henry could retry a scenario after turning into someone's thoughts, he should be capable of this based on the proven scope of his retrying.Can henry retry as a non existent though thats what I am asking probably not so. Another question convert does make then ally but it doesnt seem like an actual mind hax so it wont be an instant win right?
Whats stopping RW then? Necati should be able to use it to make himself win and its in character for him to use it in danger
I think so.Incon then?
If Henrys retry works even with SR then its sadly a stompNot really, Henry have quite literally infinite opportunities to try things that can incap or give the win in different ways, while Necati only real "win con" is something that take some time to work (as mentioned by Psycho) and isn't really in character since it was done only once through the series, and which furthermore wouldn't actually put Henry permanently down and instead just activate his retries.
I don't see Necati winning or reaching an inco, instead I see Henry eventually win with his infinite retries so I vote for him.
Indeed, I just said that I vote for Henry to make clear how I believe he definitely win, but this certainly shouldn't be on the profiles at all.If Henrys retry works even with SR then its sadly a stomp
The problem with that is that even if Henry opponent was thousands of times faster, as long it don't have a way to permanently put him down the infinite retries would continue, so at worst they would get inside an infinite loop until there appear a way for Henry to win/incap.Wait since speed is not equal in the tournament doesnt Necati blitz and stomp?
Actually wrong. If Necati blitz he will kill Henry over and over again which by SBA means Necati wins. So yeah speed becomes unequalized and Necati wins with speedThe problem with that is that even if Henry opponent was thousands of times faster, as long it don't have a way to permanently put him down the infinite retries would continue, so at worst they would get inside an infinite loop until there appear a way for Henry to win/incap.
Also, yes, speed in equalized by default and they only share a place if a chracter is able to win with speed unequal, which isn't the case here.
Your reason doesn't address how Necati could circumvent Henry's retrying to defeat him.I'm leaning towards Necati's AE advantage here since while Henry has a chance to beat him, if he opens with AP and kills him, he's ****** due to the gap in intractability. Voting for the elephant.
The potential applicabilities and limitations of reality warping can be very wide-ranging, so it would help if you explain exactly how it would work. The last time I checked Necati's profile, I didn't get the impression that he could defeat a character who can retry a scenario the way Henry can.RW works
Ita wish granting. It does whatever the user wants to do by warping reality. It teleported all the food in the world and changed the entire reality to how it was like yesterdauThe potential applicabilities and limitations of reality warping can be very wide-ranging, so it would help if you explain exactly how it would work. The last time I checked Necati's profile, I didn't get the impression that he could defeat a character who can retry a scenario the way Henry can.
And you know what else Henry came back from? The Corruptick/MissingNo distorting all of reality and destroying his universe. Even then, that doesn’t sound like it’s in-character for him to do.Ita wish granting. It does whatever the user wants to do by warping reality. It teleported all the food in the world and changed the entire reality to how it was like yesterdau
That has nothing to do with this. Necati wont use it to do APAnd you know what else Henry came back from? The Corruptick/MissingNo distorting all of reality and destroying his universe
Why wont he? He used it the second he was in danger and right now he is in a literal fight with someone who has a lot of equipment, plus no one is answering about how Necatis time resistance will work here. Even then, that doesn’t sound like it’s in-character for him to do.
I'm iffy about that working, since, like I showed in a previous message, Henry was able to retry scenarios after being defeated by reality warping abilities. Either way, Necati would need to know that Henry can retry scenarios in order to wish that Henry couldn't do that. That's not easy to discover. Henry rarely talks, and characters don't keep their memories from a failed scenario that Henry retried. Necati would need to have and use an ability like clairvoyance to discover that. Necati isn't even very strategic so I don't suspect that he would be using his abilities in crafty ways.Ita wish granting. It does whatever the user wants to do by warping reality. It teleported all the food in the world and changed the entire reality to how it was like yesterdau