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...Twellas said:Yeah, IT lives in a "outland beyond all lands" that is "beyond the end of the marcoverse". It's still nothing more than an "existing within" feat
Could you give the scan for it being superior to the hierarchy of the Dark Tower? Because we'd need that for it to be 1-A. Otherwise Maturin just has some form of Beyond Dimensional Existence and maybe Irrelevant speed.ZacharyGrossman273 said:No, Maturin and Pennywise should stay 1-A, because the macro verse is beyond dimensionality
"There are no directions in the Macroverse to speak of: Richie, no! Go back! It's the edge of everything up here! The deadlights! souns like what you turn on when you drivinn you hearse at midnie, senhorr . . . and where is you, honeychile? smile, so I can see where you is!"
Gan should probably get downgraded to 1-A, however
Based on what's currently on the profiles;Antvasima said:So High 1-B Maturin (and maybe Crimson King), Unknown Pennywise, and 1-A Gan? Would that be appropriate?
Then what the heck is that on his profile? Eh, both of them can be High 1-B, I suppose.Overlord775 said:Meturin is stronger than Pennywise, so he scales above him
Just High 1-B for Maturin and Pennywise since Low 1-A was based on Pennywise transcending him.Ercosore said:So High 1-B/Low 1-A for Maturin and Pennywise, and Baseline 1-A for Gan. Correct?
Except Maturin is stated by IT itself to be stronger than Pennywise, so...Planck69 said:Based on what's currently on the profiles;Antvasima said:So High 1-B Maturin (and maybe Crimson King), Unknown Pennywise, and 1-A Gan? Would that be appropriate?
Maturin: High 1-B (Carries the entirety of the tower on his back)
Pennywise: Low 1-A (Exists in a void beyond that in which Maturin resides)
Gan: 1-A (Sees the entire setting as fiction)
The wording can be changed but basically this.
Yeah, Pennywise was Low 1-A in my prior statement because I had mistakenly assumed that he was more powerful than Maturin. He isn't and thus both of them are High 1-B.Overlord775 said:Uh, what do you mean ?
"Outerverse level (Exists outside of the Dark Tower in a void which lacks physicality/direction, and predates both the concept of time and the multiverse's existence as a whole. Carries the entire multiversal structure of the Dark Tower upon his back, and is confirmed to have existed prior to its creation. Explicitly more powerful than the likes of Pennywise)"
...Planck69 said:Nah, he's right. After all, I'm Low 2-C via existing in a 4-D space-time continuum.
......See what's wrong with this Zach?
Yet nothing you posted implied transcendental superiority to the tower as a result of existing in that realm. And we don't even have any proof that the realm itself is 1-A, just that it lacks dimensions (which is not even remotely enough to qualify for Low 1-A much less 1-A outright).ZacharyGrossman273 said:...
I did not say exist IN a 1-A realm I said transcend one
Read what I wrote
Maturin's best feat is supporting the Dark Tower on his back, which would just be a higher degree of High 1-B. The void being dimensionless means nothing in itself when the Dark Tower doen't even use a specifically dimensional hierarchy (which might have been proof for 1-A).Overlord775 said:Why exactly can't they just both be Low 1-A ?
Even if what is being said above was transcendence, the only thing that it could even remotely prove is Pennywise being above Maturin. Which is being heavily contested on the thread as we speak.ZacharyGrossman273 said:Did you even read this quote
"Now the mind of the writer's wife was with It, in It, beyond the end of the macroverse; in the darkness beyond the Turtle; in the outlands beyond all lands. She was in Its eye; she was in Its mind. She was in the deadlights."
nnnnnot really. If a guy transcends you then he's automatically stronger than you, otherwise he wouldn't transcend you, period. This further solidifies the fact that "beyond" merely means farther, especially given that "outland beyond all lands" commentZacharyGrossman273 said:Maturin IS above pennywise, but you can have higher levels of power than your own dimensional existence, so the same could apply to beyond dimensional stuff.
Deep breathZacharyGrossman273 said:Maturin IS above pennywise, but you can have higher levels of power than your own dimensional existence, so the same could apply to beyond dimensional stuff.