Hellboy (Franchise) Revision Thread #1 | 8-C Hellboy, further calculations, and more!

[Omnificence]

Yes, 8-C statistics should be fine for Hellboy and comparable characters then.

We still need calculations for all of the listed speed feats as well though.

I got a couple or few speeds that should be consistent so far.

• By using the Large Size Calculations formula found here to determine speed I concurred that Katha-Hem's supposed speed is Hypersonic.
• For Hellboy he should have Transonic reactions and travel speed based upon this calculation.
• Also using the same calculation, I think it's fair to list Roger having Subsonic speed at the moment.

These three speeds should be enough to scale the characters that encountered and/or fought both Hellboy, Katha-Hem amd Roger for now. In the meantime I will consult with the other calculation group members to see if they can calculate all the speed feats for certain characters I can find. It's a bit of a shame that I might have to discard this calculation; this was one of or possibly the only most impressive speed feat that I could find for Hellboy.

 

[Antvasima]

Don't you mean Transonic combat speed?

In any case, I suppose that what you suggested seems fine to apply to the Hellboy characters in the meantime.

 

[Omnificence]

Don't you mean Transonic combat speed?

In any case, I suppose that what you suggested seems fine to apply to the Hellboy characters in the meantime.

Yes, that too. Alright, let's go over Hellboy's regeneration now. So here are several instances I could find of Hellboy's healing factor.

• Gets smashed by a giant and although stunned, he is able to recover
• His gun blows up in his hand but his hand seems okay
• Gets skewered by the teeth of a huge being and possibly swallowed; after experiencing a magical/metaphysical event, he seems fine
• Chewed by a hydra but he seems okay

Will update this list later. For now, I was thinking along the lines that these instances would give Hellboy at least High-Low or Low-Mid level regeneration.

 

[Antvasima]

@Mr._Bambu @DarkDragonMedeus @azontr

What regeneration level do you think that Hellboy should have based on the above listed feats?

 

[azontr]

@Mr._Bambu @DarkDragonMedeus @azontr

What regeneration level do you think that Hellboy should have based on the above listed feats?

This is still going on? I will have to look over the new feats.

 

[Antvasima]

It is currently enough if you check throug Joe's last post above.

 

[azontr]

Ok, so here is the thing with a few of these feats. They aren't regeneration.

Let's take for example when the gun explodes on his hand, it isn't regeneration because he didn't even really take any damage to regenerate from. Joe even says that his hand seemed okay from the explosion.

This goes for the getting smashed by the giant and being chewed by the Hydra, Hellboy didn't even seem to take any damage that he would regenerate from.

Getting skewered is almost definitely a Low-Mid feat in my opinion, though.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Ripping his heart out an surviving sounds more like Type 2 Immortality than it does regeneration. Unless, can he grow his organs back?

 

[azontr]

Ripping his heart out an surviving sounds more like Type 2 Immortality than it does regeneration. Unless, can he grow his organs back?

Agree with Medeus. These would most likely count for Type 2 unless Hellboy explicitly regenerated from the damage.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the evaluation help. I will remove the new regeneration levels from Hellboy's page then.

 

[azontr]

Thank you for the evaluation help. I will remove the new regeneration levels from Hellboy's page then.

I got you dawg.

But should we not wait for Creator Joe's opposition, if he has any?

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will wait then.

 

[azontr]

If he isn't here in like a day or two applying the changes should be fine.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Omnificence]

I don't have any oppositions. I agree with said statements.

 

[azontr]

I don't have any oppositions. I agree.

That was fast. Remove the regeneration then, Ant!

 

[Omnificence]

Oh, and I'd like to let everyone know that my calculation here was edited. Hopefully that should be acceptable.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

The skewered bit does appear to be Low-Mid, though the other feats hardly seem like regeneration so perhaps this is not consistent. Type 2 Immortality sounds fine though.

 

[azontr]

regeneration has been dealt with. I believe we need to see if Joe's edited calculation is still acceptable.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, so should we keep Low-Mid regeneration then?

 

[azontr]

Okay, so should we keep Low-Mid regeneration then?

IF Hellboy explicitly regenerated from the damage. Otherwise, it is Type 2 immortality.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, agreed.

 

[Omnificence]

I guess I didn't explain the part of Hellboy having his heart ripped out well enough. Let me try again.

So, after defeating the Ogdru Jahad, Nimue rips out Hellboy's heart and his body is reduced to dust, killing him in the process. However, throughout the first issue of Hellboy In Hell, he survives and carries on. Maybe this still isn't enough proof, but hopefully it's more detailed than before.

 

[azontr]

I guess I didn't explain the part of Hellboy having his heart ripped out well enough. Let me try again.

So, after defeating the Ogdru Jahad, Nimue rips out Hellboy's heart and his body is reduced to dust, killing him in the process. However, throughout the first issue of Hellboy In Hell, he survives and carries on. Maybe this still isn't enough proof, but hopefully it's more detailed than before.

This is just more evidence for Type 2 lol.

 

[Omnificence]

This is just more evidence for Type 2 lol.

What about these scans of Roger breaking some of Hellboy's bones with his grip and Hellboy later recovering?

 

[Antvasima]

Did he regenerate from just his heart afterwards?

 

[Antvasima]

@Mr._Bambu @DarkDragonMedeus

What do you think about the above regeneration examples?

 

[Omnificence]

Did he regenerate from just his heart afterwards?

Most likely not.

 

[azontr]

I'll need a bit of time to evaluate these feats, head is starting to hurt a bit.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[azontr]

What about these scans of Roger breaking some of Hellboy's bones with his grip and Hellboy later recovering?

If this is legit regeneration it is only Low.

 

[azontr]

I would also like some clarification. Is there an explicit scene of Hellboy regenerating from being turned to dust and having his heart ripped out? Was he resurrected? Without context, that feat is hard to evaluate.

 

[Omnificence]

I would also like some clarification. Is there an explicit scene of Hellboy regenerating from being turned to dust and having his heart ripped out? Was he resurrected? Without context, that feat is hard to evaluate.

He might've resurrected. It was probably just his earthly body that was reduced to dust.

 

[azontr]

He might've resurrected. It was probably just his earthly body that was reduced to dust.

Alright. I honestly don't think that can be quantified as a regeneration feat.

 

[Omnificence]

Alright. I honestly don't think that can be quantified as a regeneration feat.

How about this then?

So right here in Hellboy: Strange Places, a giant monster impales Hellboy in the chest and throws him into a castle. The hole in his chest is still visible for a few more panels, but it does disappear later on in the story. Would this count as a regeneration feat?

 

[azontr]

How about this then?

So right here in Hellboy: Strange Places, a giant monster impales Hellboy in the chest and throws him into a castle. The hole in his chest is still visible for a few more panels, but it does disappear later on in the story. Would this count as a regeneration feat?

Ok, this counts as Low-Mid I guess.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, that should probably be fine to scale from.

 

[azontr]

Ant, mind tagging some staff so we can get some stuff accepted?

 

[Antvasima]

I don't think that we need more agreement to apply the regeneration. It seems uncontroversial to me.

 

[azontr]

If you say so! Just trying to be safe.