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@SamanPatou Nimue was the vessel who got possessed by the Ogdru Jahad during the events of then The Storm and the Fury, which got her to create the massive storm over Great Britain during the fight with Hellboy. So that should make her comparable to the actual Ogdru Jahad. Also, my previous post was updated.Is the vessel comparable to the actual Ogdru Jahad?
You should also link scans of the fight, at least the relevant ones.
The problem with that is we don't really know the true extent of Hellboy's Prince of Hell form until the end of Hellboy In Hell. Now I'm sure there are some feats of him in his demon form before his third key, but I'd have to look, and I doubt there are any that'd put him on the same level or higher as that. I could probably use this:The Prince of Hell form should be explained. A preferrable way would be to quickly describe, in the AP section, why it makes him stronger, and add a description of the form itself in the NA&T section.
Why creating a storm would make Nimue comparable to the actual Ogdru? Especially because Ogdru's current calculated strength comes from its size, is Nimue equally big?@SamanPatou Nimue was the vessel who got possessed by the Ogdru Jahad during the events of then The Storm and the Fury, which got her to create the massive storm over Great Britain during the fight with Hellboy. So that should make her comparable to the actual Ogdru Jahad. Also, my previous post was updated.
I mean explaining what the form itself is.The problem with that is we don't really know the true extent of Hellboy's Prince of Hell form until the end of Hellboy In Hell. Now I'm sure there are some feats of him in his demon form before his third key, but I'd have to look, and I doubt there are any that'd put him on the same level or higher as that. I could probably use this:
She isn't nearly as big as Ogdru.
This stuff should be featured in his profile through a comprehensive description, so people reading it know what it is.As for Hellboy's form, the wiki states he activates it either artificially or when under emotional duress. And after coming to terms with his heritage, Hellboy seems to be able to transform at will.
So, would there need to be another note for this? It could look like:This stuff should be featured in his profile through a comprehensive description, so people reading it know what it is.
@Psychomaster35 @KieranH10 @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFanOkay. Also, we now have a calculation for Katha-Hem thanks to @KLOL506, so let's get some evaluations for it.
@SamanPatou Low 7-C, actually. The Low 7-B rating is via its sheer size, but since we're not able to use that to scale it to Nimue who fought Hellboy in The Fury this was the only alternative I could think of.I don't get why you put Ogdru at High 7-C when its own calc puts it at Low 7-B.
Still, since the rating still come from size, I disagree with scaling a much much smaller vessel to the gigantic original being.
@SamanPatou What if we scaled the vessel to Hellboy's stats, then? If we don't really have much evidence that Nimue is comparable to the actual Ogdru Jahad we should just be able to use the physicals from Hellboy's second key. Whaddya say? Can we get everyone in agreement with this?Ogdru Jahad itself can easily be stronger than its children, but why would a mere vessel be stronger than them, since it isn't the real thing? Afaik you didn't provide any evidence that Nimue is comparable in strength to the actual Ogdru.
Aye, if he can trade blows with those capable of harming him and is capable of harming himself with his own attacks, that's valid reason to scale Hellboy's AP to his dura.@SamanPatou What if we were to say Hellboy could harm those who could harm him? Does that still not work? Is there any way to scale Hellboy to his durability?
These ones.These calcs have yet to be evaluated properly.
This one could use a re-evaluation given how much time has passed, and here I have the feeling that calc members have just taken a look at the AP and not at the speed.