Hazbin Hotel - Immortality + Hax + Cosmic Feats + Adam Addition

[ShionAH]

Hello everyone, finally I got my ass up and running to fix this shitty written verse. I will start with the Immortality and stuff then Hax and then Cosmic stuff.

Immortality, Invulnerability Etc.

• Sinners + High Tier Demons
  • Immortality (Type 1, 2, 3, 4 & 8 [Soul])
  • Regeneration (Low-High - Sinners are implied to be capable of surviving being eaten by cannibals, more than once. Erasing their soul is the only way to kill them)
• High Tier Angels + Possibly for Angels
  • Invulnerability (Angels are stated to be invincible and indestructible, and that there was no actual way to harm them without the use of Angelic Weapons or Holy Magic)
    • At the very least this should be given to Archangels and Seraphims, who at the moment have no actual anti feats

Cosmic Stuff

• For Seraphims
  • 5-B with Size Manipulation, 4-A likely higher with Creation (Seraphims are capable of growing the size of planets, creating entire moons and solar systems and expanding the entire universe)

Adam

• Yes I made a section for him
• Change his "Winner" to "Archangel"
• Social Influencing (Social Position and Reputation - Adam holds a large amount of prestige in Heaven, having been appointed as the head of Heavens army, his extreme amounts of adult language and bad points within the holy trial goes unnoticed. To the point where breaking the only rule he is supposed to follow goes unpunished. Leadership - He is the head of Heaven's army and the leader of the Exorcist, he is respected to the point where the exorcist do not fear dying while under his command even though he gives them worthless and made up prizes. Charisma - Won the election for the biggest dick in all of Heaven, stated to be irresistible to all of heaven expect for that one chick. Coercion - Blackmailed Vaggie)

Speed

• Lucifer and Adam would scale to FTL in combat speed, no "possibly"
  • They pretty much react and fight whilst flying which just makes it a straight up FTL feat.

Agree: 3 (@DaReaperMan (Expect on Invulnerability), @TheOrangeGuy09 (Expect on Invulnerability), @Thelastmlg)
Disagree:
Neutral:

Hax

• Purification and Morality Manipulation (Evil - Angelic Weapons are capable of killing and erasing souls, then disrupting and releasing the evilness of Sinners)

Agree: 3 (@Dark_Soul20189, @Thelastmlg, @TheOrangeGuy09
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'm not having this Invulnerability argument again. If only Archangels and Seraphim were Invulnerable, why would pretty much everyone be so worried about the normal Exorcists who most certainly are not Archangels? Angelic weapons? That shit is easy to access cause they leave their shit everywhere. Should also note almost every time it's brought up it is a general statement, not a specific one, so pretty much all Angels are the anti-feats here.

As for the Speed shit... Lucifer gets it solid, I'm still in the boat of Adam having it as likely since Lucifer was actively ******* around most of the fight. This is a Saitama being surprised by Speed-o'-Sound Sonic. But I DO agree with it as a rule of thumb, just not solid for the guy who wasn't dicking around.

I don't know what to feel about the conceptual Manipulation

Rest is fine, I suppose. I'd label the 5-B shit as possibly since like... this is Lucifer. Not a guy with the most honest of reputations just from the name.

 

[ShionAH]

I'm not having this Invulnerability argument again. If only Archangels and Seraphim were Invulnerable, why would pretty much everyone be so worried about the normal Exorcists who most certainly are not Archangels? Angelic weapons? That shit is easy to access cause they leave their shit everywhere.

Statements are above your arguments, we have three seperate ways of talking about the Angels and ALL OF THEM are about Invulnerability. Unlike Lute the higher tiers also lack anti feats. Viv having bad writing doesnt mean we'll ignore the entire episode 7

I will put you on disagree on that one though.

As for the Speed shit... Lucifer gets it solid, I'm still in the boat of Adam having it as likely since Lucifer was actively ******* around most of the fight. This is a Saitama being surprised by Speed-o'-Sound Sonic. But I DO agree with it as a rule of thumb, just not solid for the guy who wasn't dicking around.

Yeah he was but when Adam catches he looks surprised. He was not holding back his speed, since he was actively trying to dodge.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Statements are above your arguments, we have three seperate ways of talking about the Angels and ALL OF THEM are about Invulnerability. Unlike Lute the higher tiers also lack anti feats.

I will put you on disagree on that one though.

I added an addendum to that, basically covering for this.(That being that every statement is a general one, so all angels would be included here, thus adding more anti-feats.) But yeah, we had a like 4 page argument just on Invulnerability, I ain't doing that shit again lol

Yeah he was but when Adam catches he looks surprised. He was not holding back his speed, since he was actively trying to dodge.

I guess Blitz being surprised that Stolas can get hurt just means Goetia and above are Invulnerable now? Speed-o'-Sound Sonic moment. You kinda gotta prove Lucifer was genuinely going max speed there, because this isn't sufficient when he was dicking around the rest of the time.

 

[ShionAH]

I added an addendum to that, basically covering for this.(That being that every statement is a general one, so all angels would be included here, thus adding more anti-feats.) But yeah, we had a like 4 page argument just on Invulnerability, I ain't doing that shit again lol

Yes, so lets see whatever the staff thinks Hazbin genuinly has the most amount of statements for Inv Idfk how you still disagree but meh

I guess Blitz being surprised that Stolas can get hurt just means Goetia and above are Invulnerable now? Speed-o'-Sound Sonic moment. You kinda gotta prove Lucifer was genuinely going max speed there, because this isn't sufficient when he was dicking around the rest of the time.

Blitz was surprised that Stolas could "lose", since he was against a Imp. Bad example. There is also the fact that Adam being able to react to Lucifer while he is flying to kill him also would imply he scales to that speed due to the fact that his Flight is FTL

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Doesn't the resurrection invalidate practically all the regeneration feats? Since we never see a consumed sinner, or really any sinner, actually regenerate on-screen?
And actually about the resurrection; is there like WoG to suggest that this sinner "reformed in the sky of Hell" and wasn't just a new sinner that just appeared in hell?

 

[ShionAH]

And actually about the resurrection; is there like WoG to suggest that this sinner "reformed in the sky of Hell" and wasn't just a new sinner that just appeared in hell?

He looks at his body, his multiple arms and is not confused. Which to me implies he was already used to being a "sinner" but not "second death"

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Hax

• Controversial Ahh Ability
  • Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3 [Evil] - Angelic Weapons are capable of killing and erasing souls, then disrupting and releasing the evilness of Sinners)

Wouldn't Purification or Holy manipulation, be a better fit for this ability?

 

[ShionAH]

Wouldn't Purification or Holy manipulation, be a better fit for this ability?

Hmm maybe?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

He looks at his body, his multiple arms and is not confused. Which to me implies he was already used to being a "sinner" but not "second death"

Probably wasn't concerned about his appearance cause of the rush from not only falling from the sky but also from the fact that he had only recently died.
And take this with a grain of salt, but Viv supposedly said that newly formed sinners fall down from the sky in an old livestream.

 

[ShionAH]

And take this with a grain of salt, but Viv supposedly said that newly formed sinners fall down from the sky in an old livestream.

If you can find that I will removw ressurection

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

If you can find that I will removw ressurection

Actually if you listen closely you can hear a deep voice saying "New Arrival" followed by a poof sound and the sinner falling, that should probably be enough.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Hello everyone, finally I got my ass up and running to fix this shitty written verse.

By making it not only shitty but also controversial asf? That’s a pretty way of fixing it.
Anyways, I won’t interfere with this verse much on this website anymore (basically like Reaper to Undertale), but if you really want my opinion, you may put as well put me as disagree with everything (except for Adam classification, although I wouldn’t remove winner cuz he still is one).

 

[ShionAH]

By making it not only shitty but also controversial asf?

... thanks

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

... thanks

I apologize for being rude, can’t get over wasting so much time on my own last CRT. That’s still not an excuse to be aggressive for me, so sorry.
But tbh, what I wanted to say by “still shitty” is that what makes the verse so bad are mostly Hell’s profiles. Look at Stolas and you will see what the problem is, for example. I hope someone will handle them one day.
Also shouldn’t have skimmed through it, since there is stuff I agree on. So here ya go:

Immortality, Invulnerability Etc.

• Sinners + High Tier Demons
  • Immortality (Type 1, 2, 3, 4 & 8 [Soul])
  • Regeneration (Low-High - Sinners are implied to be capable of surviving being eaten by cannibals, more than once. Erasing their soul is the only way to kill them)

I agree, although this should really be Low-Mid or Mid given that cannibals eat brain too. Also wasn’t Sir Pentious blown up to pieces and Alastor basically cut them to pieces after eating?

• High Tier Angels + Possibly for Angels
  • Invulnerability (Angels are stated to be invincible and indestructible, and that there was no actual way to harm them without the use of Angelic Weapons or Holy Magic)
    • At the very least this should be given to Archangels and Seraphims, who at the moment have no actual anti feats

Same thoughts as Reaper, also Alastor did harm Adam, but I know that this place doesn’t like Al FSR so idc.

Cosmic Stuff

• For Seraphims
  • 5-B with Size Manipulation, 4-A likely higher with Creation (Seraphims are capable of growing the size of planets, creating entire moons and solar systems and expanding the entire universe)

All of this is not meant to be literal. Lucifer is in the song where literally anything can happen and unrealistic asf, Charlie’s story visual is unreliable asw.

Social Influencing (Social Position and Reputation - Adam holds a large amount of prestige in Heaven, having been appointed as the head of Heavens army, his extreme amounts of adult language and bad points within the holy trial goes unnoticed. To the point where breaking the only rule he is supposed to follow goes unpunished.

Ig this is fine.

Leadership - He is the head of Heaven's army and the leader of the Exorcist, he is respected to the point where the exorcist do not fear dying while under his command even though he gives them worthless and made up prizes.

It’s not that hard to be a leader of an army that they believe cannot be killed and should murder everyone for entertainment. My nephew can be one as well.

Charisma - Won the election for the biggest dick in all of Heaven, stated to be irresistible to all of heaven expect for that one chick.

Fine.

Coercion - Blackmailed Vaggie

How is this Social Influencing?

Speed

• Lucifer and Adam would scale to FTL in combat speed, no "possibly"
  • They pretty much react and fight whilst flying which just makes it a straight up FTL feat.

Not really. Stolas could have just opened another portal.
Also, Lucifer was dicking around in this feat, and blitzed Adam when he got actually mad. If anything, FTL should go, not solidify.
((Although I recently have second thoughts on treating Holy Light as an actual light and scaling the cast to Relativistic…))

Hax

• Controversial Ahh Ability
  • Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3 [Evil] - Angelic Weapons are capable of killing and erasing souls, then disrupting and releasing the evilness of Sinners)

What Dark Soul said.

 

[ShionAH]

I apologize for being rude, can’t get over wasting so much time on my own last CRT. That’s still not an excuse to be aggressive for me, so sorry.
But tbh, what I wanted to say by “still shitty” is that what makes the verse so bad are mostly Hell’s profiles.

Yeah but like I kinda suck at Hell scaling

.It’s not that hard to be a leader of an army that they believe cannot be killed and should murder everyone for entertainment. My nephew can be one as well..

Yet after seeing they CAN die they continued. I expected them to run away or scramble pre finale but surprisingly they fought till the end

How is this Social Influencing?

Idk its considered a type of it

 

[Thelastmlg]

i agree with everything except for conceptual manip, that's closer to purification/morality manipulation

though i'm neutral on social influencing cuz that's not something i'm smart about lol

also what's AI FSR

i kinda forgot to check the previous thread's argument against invulnerability since i got caught on my homestuck ones, released or not, so i went to check them and uh, no neither of them are convincing to me

Adam "rubbing" his chin after alastor uppercuted it still shows no damage there, only pain, which again, is not always negated by invulnerability by default, i will again point out Lord English, who gets knocked around, shows far more expressive signs of pain and gets choked out as well, no damage and he is both shown and stated to be invulnerable far more than angels there, it is not a requirement to not feel pain or be knocked around to be invulnerable

the whole "hell overthrowing heaven" thing does hold water, but you have to consider that:

1. that's Paranoia on Lute's part, she is not omniscient nor can saw the future as far as i recall, as she gets proven wrong in the end of the episode where sir pentious goes to heaven, for all we know hell can't overthrown heaven due to their immense power

2. pretty sure she knows angelic weapons can wound angels, if hell outnumbers heaven immensely, they'll get access to the angel weapons just by slowly getting them, find out their weakness and pretty much carrying over from there, we have seen angels leaving their weapons behind like is nothing so is possible that they have a massive stock in heaven anyway, nevermind the ones in hell

3. from what i recall most angels in heaven are just civilians, not soldiers, even if they are invulnerable they might also completely lack any strength or combat experience to stop a hell invasion

4. can demons even open portals to heaven? if not, Sera's fear of them invading would most likely include the magic users/high tiers invading as well, which in turn means not just fodders demons shooting angels, also making stealing weapons easier

all in all this vague, hypothetical scenario does not feel like a anti-feat to me

so yeah only Lute is an anti-feat i agree with and thus invulnerability should stay, even if it is reduced to likely

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Yeah but like I kinda suck at Hell scaling

I meant more making profiles look better in justifications, references, etc., but fine.

Yet after seeing they CAN die they continued. I expected them to run away or scramble pre finale but surprisingly they fought till the end

Welp, fair enough.

Idk its considered a type of it

After reading the page, fine, that's fair too.

i agree with everything except for conceptual manip, that's closer to purification/morality manipulation

though i'm neutral on social influencing cuz that's not something i'm smart about lol

also what's AI FSR

Al is short for Alastor.
FSR stands for "For Some Reason".

i kinda forgot to check the previous thread's argument against invulnerability since i got caught on my homestuck ones, released or not, so i went to check them and uh, no neither of them are convincing to me

Adam "rubbing" his chin after alastor uppercuted it still shows no damage there, only pain, which again, is not always negated by invulnerability by default

In order to cause pain, you need to harm character, which is exactly what Alastor did. Otherwise you want to say that Alastor's shadow attack can magically inflict pain... by the same logic no-one scales to nobody, it's just hax.
But again, this place evidently does not like him for some reason, so whatevs, I gave up on him in this wiki.

1. that's Paranoia on Lute's part, she is not omniscient nor can saw the future as far as i recall, as she gets proven wrong in the end of the episode where sir pentious goes to heaven, for all we know hell can't overthrown heaven due to their immense power

Sera was genuinely concerned as well.

2. pretty sure she knows angelic weapons can wound angels, if hell outnumbers heaven immensely, they'll get access to the angel weapons just by slowly getting them, find out their weakness and pretty much carrying over from there, we have seen angels leaving their weapons behind like is nothing so is possible that they have a massive stock in heaven anyway, nevermind the ones in hell

No, both her and Adam only got to know about that specific weakness in the beginning of the last episode of Season 1. That's the whole reason they think nothing can ever stop them in Hell, so they suck at fighting.

3. from what i recall most angels in heaven are just civilians, not soldiers, even if they are invulnerable they might also completely lack any strength or combat experience to stop a hell invasion

But again, what's the reason for so much worry if they can't harm them by ANY means? For any of them? Like, if there are at least some people capable of fighting, there is no need to worry as no-one can actually get harmed.

4. can demons even open portals to heaven? if not, Sera's fear of them invading would most likely include the magic users/high tiers invading as well, which in turn means not just fodders demons shooting angels, also making stealing weapons easier

That does not mean that at all. Even Alastor, the high-tier Overlord with tons of hax, has 0 that can essentially ignore durability, so that doesn't really matter.

 

[ShionAH]

Sera was concerned that their "souls" are at risk, which again means she didnt see Hell as a physical threat

 

[ByArrow]

Bump

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I forgot to comment on the rest of this shit...

Either way, I disagree with invulnerability, for the same reasons mentioned above, but I agree with pretty much everything else, but I feel a bit iffy about the Blackmailing part qualifying as Social influencing.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Sera was concerned that their "souls" are at risk, which again means she didnt see Hell as a physical threat

Just a figurative way to say, unless you want to say that demons can ignore durability by targeting souls directly, which has never been shown unless with someone they own via the deal/contract.