Hazbin-Helluva Verse Overhaul

[DarthSpiderr]

This is my first time participating in the general discussion, how many approvals are needed for the changes to take effect?

 

[DarthSpiderr]

Why does Alastor have "At least Class 100 with tentacles"? There should be Class K.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I couldn't find a source for airships being Class K in weight.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

This is my first time participating in the general discussion, how many approvals are needed for the changes to take effect?

There aren't too many supporters for the verse, and only two of them are staff, so I'm also a bit lost here.

 

[InfiniteDay]

There aren't too many supporters for the verse, and only two of them are staff, so I'm also a bit lost here.

I mean we got unanimous mod/reg user votes, so we should wait for only a day or two for more votes.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Bump, and potentially a call for staff input.

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

I can get staff but I'll need names

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Bump.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Bump.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Oh, this is interesting.
According to Faustisse, in order to become an Overlord, you have to kill said Overlord and take their position. Would that mean all Overlords have Immortality Negation? If you were to only incapacitate an Overlord, they would surely get back up and reclaim their position, so it only makes sense that they were truly killed.

 

[InfiniteDay]

Oh, this is interesting.
According to Faustisse, in order to become an Overlord, you have to kill said Overlord and take their position. Would that mean all Overlords have Immortality Negation? If you were to only incapacitate an Overlord, they would surely get back up and reclaim their position, so it only makes sense that they were truly killed.

If your strong enough to kill an Overlord, the Overlord wouldn't challenge you. You can kill Demons in Hell, but you cannot truly kill them unless you use the soul-erasing effects on an Exorcists weapon.

 

[DarthSpiderr]

Isn't that just soul damage? After all, to kill demons - you need to destroy their soul.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Now that I think about it, it was the wrong assumption to make.

Isn't that just soul damage? After all, to kill demons - you need to destroy their soul.

Not necessarily. Vivziepop stated the only thing that could actually kill a demon is an angel's weapon; The angels can induce a demon's "true death", in which their souls cease to exist, but it's never stated the angels erase the demons themselves. Picture it as the angels destroying the demon's core, and the entirety of the demon blowing up as a result.

 

[InfiniteDay]

Now that I think about it, it was the wrong assumption to make.



Not necessarily. Vivziepop stated the only thing that could actually kill a demon is an angel's weapon; The angels can induce a demon's "true death", in which their souls cease to exist, but it's never stated the angels erase the demons themselves. Picture it as the angels destroying the demon's core, and the entirety of the demon blowing up as a result.

Well, more like the weapon pierces the soul, erasing it, rendering the Demon an empty husk.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Bump?

 

[Lollipop_The_King]

Stolas' Grimoire should be standard equipment.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

He only has it once a month.

 

[InfiniteDay]

- Change the rating of the God-Tiers to reflect Vox's 7-C+ statement.

Vox and Alastor is comparable. Stolas is superior to Alastor, so Stolas > Vox. Stolas is baseline High 7-C, no?

8-C+ was accepted for the Stolas calc.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The statement about Stolas being more powerful than Alastor is incredibly shotty.
This coupled with Alastor's numerous statements of raw power and ability makes such an argument near-impossible to win.
Faustisse also said that "Stolas isn't all that strong", but it's best we neglect to use Faustisse's statements unless it's backed up by, like, Vivziepop.

 

[InfiniteDay]

The statement about Stolas being more powerful than Alastor is incredibly shotty.
This coupled with Alastor's numerous statements of raw power and ability makes such an argument near-impossible to win.
Faustisse also said that "Stolas isn't all that strong", but it's best we neglect to use Faustisse's statements unless it's backed up by, like, Vivziepop.

Faustisse also said that Alastor is a weak overlord in the same timeframe, but we shall ignore that. And the direct statement was I believe "Stolas isn't as strong as he looks".

 

[Lollipop_The_King]

He only has it once a month.

After giving it to Blitzo. He was given the book by someone to do his job, remember

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Yeah, but in the current events, he only has it once a month. And, according to the Standard Format for Character Profiles:

• Optional Equipment: Things that the character has owned or made usage of before for an extended period of time, but does not always have available on their person.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Things to Do:

1. This section in this blog becomes its own Verse-Specific Power and is linked to the demon pages.
2. These replace the current Hazbin Hotel profiles and also add onto the roster, and these do the same, but for Helluva Boss.
3. This replaces the current Hazbin Hotel verse page.

He is usually represented as ""weak""

The statement was:
Q: "How strong is Stolas?"
A: "Not that strong."

But once again, unfounded Faustisse statement is unfounded. Remember, this is a thing.

On that note though, the difference between the result of the blackout (83.0309283 Kilotons) and baseline High 7-C (100 Kilotons) is 1.20437049x, so anyone who does scale above these characters, such as Charlie, would be straight-up [possibly] High 7-C, albeit on the really low-end.

 

[DarthSpiderr]

sounds reasonable

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Do we have enough input to come to a conclusion and begin implementing the changes?

 

[Lollipop_The_King]

What's wrong with Blitzo's official art?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Technically, it is official.
The other renders of Blitzo take up too much space.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Bump.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

bump.

 

[Lollipop_The_King]

I agree.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

If everyone agreed with the changes, then I believe it's safe to apply the changes.

 

[InfiniteDay]

I believe so.

No Vox full-demon scaling for obvious reasons.

And "Please do not attempt to upgrade the Hazbin Hotel characters to Hypersonic+ through the Helluva Boss characters, as the Hazbin Hotel characters are portrayed as slower than Tommy Guns, while the Helluva Boss characters consistently react to bullets and gunshots."

They were caught off-guard, and the only massive speed feat we have is from Robot Fizz, which has no reason not to down-scale from.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Do the Hazbin Hotel characters have any reason to scale to the Helluva Boss characters?

 

[Ican'tthinkof1goodname]

Being of higher status I guess

 

[InfiniteDay]

Do the Hazbin Hotel characters have any reason to scale to the Helluva Boss characters?

The only anti-feats are: surprised gangsters.

Also, higher status, and I don't see how imps are just over tens of times faster than sinners, that's a definite anti-feat.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Being of higher status ≠ being more powerful. There's no proof that the Hazbin Hotel cast scales to the Helluva Boss cast in terms of any stats, aside from the Sinners ranking higher on the social hierarchy than Hellborn demons, which is not evidence.

 

[InfiniteDay]

Being of higher status ≠ being more powerful. There's no proof that the Hazbin Hotel cast scales to the Helluva Boss cast in terms of any stats, aside from the Sinners ranking higher on the social hierarchy than Hellborn demons, which is not evidence.

Your saying that Sinners are just completely tens of times slower than imps? The lowest class of demons? How would that even work.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Your saying that Sinners are just completely tens of times slower than imps? The lowest class of demons? How would that even work.

it's a social hierarchy.

And I'm not saying "Sinners are tens of times slower than Imps", I'm saying "The cast of Hazbin Hotel do not scale to the Helluva Boss cast, as the Helluva Boss cast is comprised of professional assassins who are constantly portrayed as having feats above what the Hazbin Hotel cast has achieved".

 

[InfiniteDay]

it's a social hierarchy.

And I'm not saying "Sinners are tens of times slower than Imps", I'm saying "The cast of Hazbin Hotel do not scale to the Helluva Boss cast, as the Helluva Boss cast is comprised of professional assassins who are constantly portrayed as having feats above what the Hazbin Hotel cast has achieved".

The Hazbin Hotel cast don't have much, if any speed feats. Except Cherry doding a literal raygun, and the Hazbin crew should at least downscale.

 

[DarthSpiderr]

Dude, what he means is that Hazbin's characters are most likely the same speed as AB characters. But according to the rules of the wiki, we can give them the same combat speed ONLY if they have contact or give instructions that they can fight with I.M.P.