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the causality/law stuff got accepted before hand
though it was accepted by now cause 2 staff votes oops
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Hax Layer Evaluation Thread
- Thread starter Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Brogee, you should not use Shake's sandbox, which hasn't even been accepted yet, without his permission.
Shame on you for not even bothering to ask.
Of course, you could also tone down your other Sonic stuff, but especially this.
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If it is about the higher being layer it is less them being stronger, and moreso that higher beings can all utilize a pure focus, which was the ultimate goal for the Soul Sanctum that none of them ever achieved, so they should have more resistance to the negative effects of their experiments. Even moreso with The Knight and The Hollow Knight (as the Pure Vessel) both being able to focus in-game (with it being a core game mechanic for the former and a pattern in his fight for the latter) without any of the associated negative effects of the Soul Sanctum experiments, which we know was the injection of SOUL.
If your issue is with the Soul Santcum Layers. The justification is less about it being stronger and more about the above bit on achieving a pure focus, so the most successful product of these experiments (which is "separate" from the label of the strongest) should be closer to such. This in conjunction with the fact that the Hunter's Journal Entry for them, calls them once intelligent and when Dream Nailed, the Mistakes and Follies produce Dialogue like this:
Whereas the rest of the Soul Santcum enemies are called learned or intelligent in their Hunter's Journal Entry and produce Dialogue like this:
This clearly contrasts the dialogue of the Mistakes and Follies, which is done even moreso by the Soul Master/Soul Tyrant's dialogues, which would be easier to show you if I just linked the wiki here and here (scroll down till you see the dialogue header and open that).
Which could be used to argue another layer between normal scholars and the Soul Master but idk.
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@deonment For the layered hax to work the lesser beings would need to be resistant to the normal effects of the SOUL injection as opposed to it being limited. As for the soul sanctum and soul tyrant stuff, not fully sure on this for it being layered hax, that would need some elaboration for it to be layered, like the soul sanctum being completely fine from the former stuff, but the stronger effects they’re susceptible to only for the stronger beings to resist that one easily.
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@Theglassman12 Ty for the reply. Just wanted to know, so can we consider that each level of a realm is a layer, considering there quite a few instances of hax not working on a higher level, not even a realm.
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Thats because Medaka's nature as the protagonist/hero. Moreso to the Fate/Probability/Supernatural Luck that she have.Najimi couldn't nullify Medaka's The End with Life Zero, but Iihiko was able to nullify Medaka's The End.
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Plot armor > Najime
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@Sonoftanavast9 The authority stuff looks fine but the 9 layers for the soul and mindhax stuff I'm not really seeing without any scans.
@Rikimarox2 it would work as a layer if each individual realm can grant the user some resistances, and the higher realms are able to hax those in the lower realms.
@Rikimarox2 it would work as a layer if each individual realm can grant the user some resistances, and the higher realms are able to hax those in the lower realms.
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It's basically a result of higher cultivation realms granting greater soul/mind hax as well as resistance which allows them to resist the soul/mind hax and bypass the resistance of those at a lower Cultivation level:
- At the foundation stage Lindons empty palm(a technique which affects the soul and nullifies powers) is unable to affect the soul of a Copper [Wei Shi Kelsa in this case] while in turn Wei Shi Kelsa empty palm can affect Lindon but is unable to affect the soul of an Iron [Wei Mon Keth] because he is an Iron rather than another copper
- Much later in the story, when Lindon who had become an Underlord is reduced back to the level of a Jade he's able to cast illusions on numerous Irons simultaneously which a single Jade was able to resist while prior to this upon being reduced down to the level of a Lowgold he's able to cast an illusion on multiple Jades simultaneously and easily overwhelm them with his spiritual pressure alone
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Is there any scans on all 9 realms with said hierarchy? If those exist then i can see the 9 layer hax stuff
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This happens not just in higher realms, but even in the same realm (Almost each realm has like 9 levels), where a level 8 is able to hax someone at a lower level, whereas the lower level one cannot hax the higher one (Unless you are like, a god tier in strength and soul that far surpasses your own realm)
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Beyond what I already outlined above for Foundation to Lowgold we have:
- Akura Mercy as a Lowgold having her strings of shadow technique being resisted by Yerins spiritual resistance, who at the time is a Highgold, despite the fact tit would ordinarily stay implanted in a targets body until Mercy dispels it willingly
- Truegolds being able to resist a Highgold of the Sandviper sects poison manipulation which affects the soul as much as the body
- Underlord being shown able to easily suppress Truegolds using nothing but their spiritual pressure alone while being completely unfazed by Truegolds themselves
- Overlord being able to break out of illusions created by Lindon who at the time was at the level of an Underlord
- Eithan Arelius being able to instantly destroy the soul of an overlord with an attack that was subsequently dismissed by a sage casually slapping it when at the time he was at the level of an Archlord (The Archlord attack is said to possess/conduct Willpower which as outlined in the blog completely supersedes the entire system of Madra as well as the laws of the world)
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@Rikimarox2 if you can prove those 9 levels in each realm and the higher levels can hax those in the lower levels with resistance then it can work.
@Sonoftanavast9 that can work, though it would be preferred if you show scans for all of these 9 levels existing on top of the numerous instances of higher levels haxing the lower levels to solidify it.
@Sonoftanavast9 that can work, though it would be preferred if you show scans for all of these 9 levels existing on top of the numerous instances of higher levels haxing the lower levels to solidify it.
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I've made the necessary changes to the blog by added scans for the existence of each advancement stage and the instances of more highly advanced sacred artists affecting those at the lower level
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that blog is not where the layers come from
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Then why did you say it has "16 layers of magic" Then procced to link this blog?....that blog is not where the layers come from
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i just said he has the abilities from that blog
i never said his layers come from that blog or anything
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I am sorry if this sounds rude, but you need to improve your phrasing a bit, It is easy for me as a none native English speaker to misunderstand......
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The "layers" would vary from character to character. As I stated earlier in this thread, I proposed that every +5 above a Resistance value of 20 would be considered a layer (that is, based in the same principle used in DnD) and Warhammer). Soa character like Kisidan would have a Magic Resistance layer of 22, Nameless a count of 27, and Omega (LoI) a value of 35 based in their base MR of 130, 155 and 195 respectively (This does not mention their other resistances, like psychic, physical, venom and disease; nor those granted by Gnosis).
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Ahhh, I see. I would personally not consider it a layer. but am willing to accept it if most agrees to it.
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Dragon Talisman apparently has 21 layers
this should be put on verses that are in need of evaluation
this should be put on verses that are in need of evaluation
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I also have my reservations, but what users accepted to do with ttrpg verses.
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@Dark_Soul20189 I’ve already evaluated the Anima stuff and it qualifies for layered hax with what Antoniofer explained, if you have a problem with it then you’re gonna have to refute the fact Anima stats translates to higher resistance.
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You missundersand me, I won't try to debunk or say i dosen't qualify. I just needed to know why it qualified, since for my understanding of how layers work diden't match he layers that were proposed. Either way, I am not gonna try to debunk it or complain. I just wanted to undersand why it was 16 layers.
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Resistance stats for Anima starts at 20 and every 5+ intervals is an additional resistance towards some abilities at higher levels, and the stat goes to 100.
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There is not really a limit to resistances values, theorically speaking. Sure, currently there no character with a resistance value above 200, but this one can be increased by outside factors such spells (abilities such Ki Concealment could increase the resistances by a factor of +30, but only against supernatural detections). However, you have the Noth, that automatically passes every resistance check, regardless of value, nature and origin; it may as well be considered countless layers.
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At least it has a cool design for being so broken.
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So after talking with glass in DMs to further clarify things, Hollow Knight qualifies for 4 layers of hax (though the position of certain things is shuffled around) for mind and bio hax
Soul Master(Layer 1 of resistance)<Higher Beings and their kin(Layer 2 of resistance)<The Hollow Knight(Layer 3 of resistance)<The Radiance(Layer 4 of hax)
Soul Master(Layer 1 of resistance)<Higher Beings and their kin(Layer 2 of resistance)<The Hollow Knight(Layer 3 of resistance)<The Radiance(Layer 4 of hax)
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Yeah they’re ok
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Ok thanks
I will discuss it on a CRT but it will look something like that:
Seidr (Base):
Time manip (1 layer): Gods of light (like Seidr) can affect people like Alfonse who resist Time manipulation from the Tempest.
Resistance to Time manip (1 layer) : Can counter time manip with her own.
Seidr (Powered)
Resistance to Time manip (2 layers) : Resist Gullveig's Time Manip.
Time manip (2 layers): equal to Gullveig's.
Gullveig
Time manip (2 layers): Can affect Base Seidr who despite her resistance was completely powerless against her.
Resistance to Time manip (2 layers): Resist Seidr's Time manip.
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Btw, the Archie Sonic layers stuff for the power rings was accepted here, though the Chaos Emerald layer stuff was not accepted, so that should be mentioned in the OP.
TL: DR for accepted stuff:
2 Power Rings together can negate the resistances of a single Power Ring.
1 Chaos Emerald >= Enough Power Rings to cover the entire exterior of the Death Egg in a chain-mail like fashion.
So 1 Chaos Emerald has hundreds of layers, at the very least, and that's massively lowballing, because the Death Egg is huge and each Power Ring is like a foot in diameter at most.
TL: DR for accepted stuff:
2 Power Rings together can negate the resistances of a single Power Ring.
1 Chaos Emerald >= Enough Power Rings to cover the entire exterior of the Death Egg in a chain-mail like fashion.
So 1 Chaos Emerald has hundreds of layers, at the very least, and that's massively lowballing, because the Death Egg is huge and each Power Ring is like a foot in diameter at most.
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The scans aren’t working in that post
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Sh*t.
I found scans for Monkey King resisting with 1 ring, but I can't find replacement scans for the 2-ring stuff.
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Add the Rezero invisibility layering to the OP pls
We also have a lot more coming up soon
We also have a lot more coming up soon
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ask the sonic discussion thread
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gonna have to wait a bit untill Fuji is free from her short ban
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