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Halo stuff...
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I am done editing the three big fish, though I wouldn't mind FanofRPGs going over them, but I suppose Fan can also add causality manipulation to the Forerunners' page and add his touch-ups before they're relocked.
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Also, I don't think the UNSC ships are Supersonic+, at least, not in space, I think they should be much higher, because simply being "Supersonic+" means that they won't be fast enough to escape Earth's atmosphere, which has an escape velocity of Mach 33, and even Longsword fighters can do that.
This speed feat done by the Longsword as it left Installation 04 can probably be calc'd and scaled to the ships, and there's also some speed calculations done in this thread , though there's a lot of walls of text. I've also found some other threads on SB (that one dealing with firepower, though)
This speed feat done by the Longsword as it left Installation 04 can probably be calc'd and scaled to the ships, and there's also some speed calculations done in this thread , though there's a lot of walls of text. I've also found some other threads on SB (that one dealing with firepower, though)
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Should I change the ratings for UNSC infantry from "9-B to 9-A with most weapons" to "9-C to 9-A with most weapons" too? Some weapons, like the SMG seem to be closer to 9-C than they would be to 9-B. I've already changed the UNSC, Master Chief, and ODST pages, but not sure if I should continue this.
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After reading this thread, I am not sure if we should actually keep the War Sphinxes at 6-A. What are your guys' thoughts?
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Can we talk about the name changes?
Spartan-B312 to Noble Six
Thel ´Vadam to The Arbiter (Thel 'Vadam)
Fal 'Chavamee to The Arbiter (Fal 'Chavamee)
Avery Junior Johnso to Sergeant Johnson
This changes are for organisation purposes and to people to find them easier.
Spartan-B312 to Noble Six
Thel ´Vadam to The Arbiter (Thel 'Vadam)
Fal 'Chavamee to The Arbiter (Fal 'Chavamee)
Avery Junior Johnso to Sergeant Johnson
This changes are for organisation purposes and to people to find them easier.
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Changing them to their more well known names, such as B-312 to Noble Six is more pressing of an issue than the War Sphinx's tiering. I'll do that.
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Are the Forerunners "Cities" 5-B or have the size of tiny planets?Fllflourine said:
Because Soldier Blue said something like: "They can destroy the planets in one strike and even damage Large Ships with ridiculous durability", so by the likes of It they should be 5-B, likely higher?
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I ctrl f'd the thread for "planet", do you remember when he said something like that? The closest is him saying,
He seemed to be going more for the War Sphinx being simply "7-B with a 6-A with a continous bombardment rating", unless you're not referring to the War Sphinx.
| Yes. And swarms of them can lay waste to a continent or bring down dozens of kilometres long starships with ridiculous durability | ||
~ Soldier Blue |
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Some profiles said, "Their ships can detroy a planets surface through glassing." Sounds more like a Multi-continent level feat or High 6-A.
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I read Cryptum, Bornsteller said he was awed by using machines (War Sphinxes) used to raze cities (Ancient Human Cities, assumably as big as Forerunner ones), and level continents. The Seekers did the battle with the continents being cut up and flipped around. Obviously Forerunner ships > pretty much tanks, and with the Cruiser feat I calced, it is consistent.
I'd say War Sphinxes should be 6-B to 6-A, Seekers are well into 6-A
I'd say War Sphinxes should be 6-B to 6-A, Seekers are well into 6-A
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If the Precursors' age is older than the universe, wouldn't this mean their speed at the height of their power would be Immeasurable considering they precede it?
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I think that's alright, making a Covenant Remnant page separate from the Empire itself that has both Jul 'Mdama's faction and the Swords of Sanghelios.
There's still the ship speeds I'm concerned with (post 49), because Supersonic+-Hypersonic+ is very slow for space standards (It'd take months to get from Earth to Mars, and I doubt ships are THAT slow in Halo, it's an "At least" but still).
There's still the ship speeds I'm concerned with (post 49), because Supersonic+-Hypersonic+ is very slow for space standards (It'd take months to get from Earth to Mars, and I doubt ships are THAT slow in Halo, it's an "At least" but still).
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What about he Banished? I Imagine it would be on the same page, the problem is that the info. would be a clusterfuck, It would be better to have a page setting similar to the Sonic one so the page would be more concentrated in one with each faction having his proper stats.
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The Banished is a splinter faction of the Covenant, as is Sword of Sanghelios, so I think it would be best for it to be formatted similarly to Sonic's page (specifically this one of course)KarmodF said:
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Well, I though the durability of most of those characters were going to be downgraded. Due to falling from orbit generally required armor locks to survive, and that most Spartans getting damaged by 9-B weapons and being pretty much nearly destroyed by 9-A weapons as Fan and I both mentioned above.
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Hmmm, I did some calcs for Elite Armor, maybe it can scale from that?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10vsZ4iIjru4_v84Zav5RxJdlweEMEqRRAsK4swJRB5o/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10vsZ4iIjru4_v84Zav5RxJdlweEMEqRRAsK4swJRB5o/edit?usp=sharing
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Tha calc looks pretty good to me.
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Chief was only able to survive falling from orbit thanks to Armor Locks. Additionally, the height from which he fell from was around 2 kilometes; which would actually be around Building Level.' Zero Suit Samus for example is Town Level because she fell 1000 kilometers on a planet that was 960 times Earth's gravity. Spartans is still Multi City-Block Level due to being immune to various 9-A to 8-B weapons while he's using it, but it doesn't scale to his natural durability.
Although, I do think taking damage from 9-C to 9-B weapons probably could be treated as game mechanics, but I don't think Spartans main durability is anything higher than 9-A; Spartans never tanked anything higher without the aid of a powerup such as Armor Locks, Invincibility, 10x Overshield, ect. And even if the Onyx Sentinel was calced at 8-B No one actually tanked the full blast point blank; the amount of force actually withstood was still only 9-A. And looking at most of those calcs, I did still notice there was quite a bit of calc stacking. And even 343 Guilty Spark or the Promethans haven't demonstrated anywhere near as much destruction/durability. Durability should only be scaled to the first attack regardless of damage percentage and the rest of the attacks should be treated as Stamina rather than durability. But without the calc stacking, the stronger weapons like Fuel Rods and RPG's are more Room Level as opposed to Room Level+ basically. Additionally, almost every 8-B weapons in the game has been known to completely obliterare multiple Spartans or enemies comparaible to Spartans; so their are definately issues with Spartans having Cityblock Level+ Durability excluding those same power ups.
But the tiers probably should vary depending on the classes. Spartans, Elites, Brutes, Hunters, and Promethians could have Room Level durability. Marines would have Street Level to Wall Level durability along side mid level enemies such as Jackals. And Grunts and Drones should be at most Street Level.
Although, I do think taking damage from 9-C to 9-B weapons probably could be treated as game mechanics, but I don't think Spartans main durability is anything higher than 9-A; Spartans never tanked anything higher without the aid of a powerup such as Armor Locks, Invincibility, 10x Overshield, ect. And even if the Onyx Sentinel was calced at 8-B No one actually tanked the full blast point blank; the amount of force actually withstood was still only 9-A. And looking at most of those calcs, I did still notice there was quite a bit of calc stacking. And even 343 Guilty Spark or the Promethans haven't demonstrated anywhere near as much destruction/durability. Durability should only be scaled to the first attack regardless of damage percentage and the rest of the attacks should be treated as Stamina rather than durability. But without the calc stacking, the stronger weapons like Fuel Rods and RPG's are more Room Level as opposed to Room Level+ basically. Additionally, almost every 8-B weapons in the game has been known to completely obliterare multiple Spartans or enemies comparaible to Spartans; so their are definately issues with Spartans having Cityblock Level+ Durability excluding those same power ups.
But the tiers probably should vary depending on the classes. Spartans, Elites, Brutes, Hunters, and Promethians could have Room Level durability. Marines would have Street Level to Wall Level durability along side mid level enemies such as Jackals. And Grunts and Drones should be at most Street Level.
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Chief didnt use Armor Lock, were did you read that?, All Spartans that fell from Space were in Base Armor, Multi City-Block is only for Overshield, Armor Lockup and Base Bubble shield, Some Spartans fought against Centinels in 1v1 Combat and still won no to mention that Arby fought an Enforcers who is superior to Base Sent., most Infantry would have around 9-B Dura. (Tank Plasma Rifle) and Elites, Brutes, Spartans and Prometheans would be 8-B not to mention that Chief tank full Shot from Guilty Spark who should be Comparable or Stronger than Sentinels.
Hunters should be 8-B even if Fuel Rod is 8-C(It would be likely higher with Direct Impact?)?
Hunters should be 8-B even if Fuel Rod is 8-C(It would be likely higher with Direct Impact?)?
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@KarmodF They're direct quotes from This Video. Johnson literally says that his armor is locked up and that the ship's hull took most of the impact. Either way, the falls calculate more accurately to 8-C considering the fall was 2 kilometers. Regardless of whether Guilty Spark is capable of 8-B attacks, he has never actually demonstrated that; there's almost no collateral damage even when he hits the ground; plus Johnson briefly survived the hit. Fan has also mentioned earlier that some of the questionable 8-B feats are outliers.Add
Additionally, you mentioned earlier that the Promethians are surperior to the sentinials? They may mean that in terms of threat, but the amount of raw power demonstrated is still reflectecting 9-B to 9-A; they don't cause much destruction and can get easily killed by a couple of shot gun blasts; which are 9-A. Spartan Lasers and grenades, which are 8-B, are once again extremely powerful compared to Spartan durability. A single plasma grenade obliterates several Spartans, Elites, ect.
Bottom line, 9-A to 8-C is still the most consistent and accurate rating for the stronger infantry. 9-B works for Marines I guess, but the Grunts are basically Goombas with pistols and get easily stomped by pistols; so I don't think they need durability any higher than 9-C.
Additionally, you mentioned earlier that the Promethians are surperior to the sentinials? They may mean that in terms of threat, but the amount of raw power demonstrated is still reflectecting 9-B to 9-A; they don't cause much destruction and can get easily killed by a couple of shot gun blasts; which are 9-A. Spartan Lasers and grenades, which are 8-B, are once again extremely powerful compared to Spartan durability. A single plasma grenade obliterates several Spartans, Elites, ect.
Bottom line, 9-A to 8-C is still the most consistent and accurate rating for the stronger infantry. 9-B works for Marines I guess, but the Grunts are basically Goombas with pistols and get easily stomped by pistols; so I don't think they need durability any higher than 9-C.
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