Hakumen vs Gilgamesh (Fate Series)

[AquaWaifu]

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Hakume

VS

Gilgamesh


BATTLE CONDITIONS:

Hakumen and Gilgamesh are both 5-A tier.

Speed is equalized.

Both are in-character, with no prior knowledge or prep-time.

FIght takes place at the Forbidden Gate from Blazblue: Centralfiction, at 10 meters apart.

Victory through any means.

 

[Reppuzan]

Hmm... Gate of Babylon actually gets countered pretty hard here.

Of course, this Gil is far more serious and likely to use his clairvoyance if I recall, so that might not work as well as it might have with his other incarnation.

Other than that, the Susanoo Unit was originally used by a god, meaning that it would in fact be affected by Enkidu, which would prove problematic for Hakumen in the long run.

 

[AquaWaifu]

Yes but I dont think it being used by one equates to "being a god"

 

[Reppuzan]

@Aquawaifu

According to Yuki Terumi's page, the Susanoo unit was originally his body as the god Takehaya Susano'o. I'm quite certain it counts.

 

[AquaWaifu]

Yes but actually the unit itself is an empty vessel.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

In character, yeah that does weaken Gilgamesh quite a bit. I'd have to give it to him because if he gets put in a corner he can pull EA which IDK if Haku can kill before it shoots. Plus Enkudu helps seal Susanoo.

Plus Gil won't be afraid to use it without gate of Babylon.

 

[AquaWaifu]

Hakumen could use TIme Killer possibly, and though Gilgamesh is resistant to TIme Manipulation, Hakumen's TIme Killer is an extremely powerful form of time manpulation.


And as I said before, I don't see the Susanoo unit itself as a god.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

I don't see it being any better then BB's, that seems unlikely, plus yeah but it was used by God, so Enkidu will still hold it.

 

[AquaWaifu]

but Enkidu works on divine beings, Susanoo Unit itself isn't a god.


You're gonna need to explain her Time Manip cause I cant find on her profile any details about it.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

She manipulates all of time, space, and causality within the Moon cell which is basically a gigantic computer with the world in it, and she controls time within the entire thing.

Fair enough on Enkidu.

 

[AquaWaifu]

I'd argue destroying all the time that even an immortal ever had, has, and ever will have across all timelines is something different than controlling the localized time in what is basically a pocket dimension, what she can do sounds really powerful, but having an ability that can kill even immortals by destroying their time across all timelines seems like something on another level of time manip.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Waifu

Never said that Gil would resist the Time Killer, just saying.

Hakumen would also have to get through the nearly infinite number of shields he has while also finishing him before Gil pulls out Ea (which comes out surprisingly quickly with this incarnation). In addition, engaging him in close combat is still risky since this Gil is far more capable with his weapons as he actively engages with other Servants.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

I think that Enkidu could hold Hakumen but it wouldn't be as strong as it could be. While the Susanoo Unit is the body of a God, it is housing the Soul of a Human/Mortal. Wouldn't that lower the divinity level a bit? It is also possible to bust the chains as Hercules did and he had A rank divinity. Though how much it would take in Haku's case is something I don't know, so I can't say how much that could matter.

If Haku gets in close with Gil, it's not a stomp as Gil is a capable fighter. However, Haku has literal infinite stamina and could just wear Gil down.

This is a hard one and I just don't know.

 

[AquaWaifu]

@Reppu


I was responding to Gargoyle. I know you never inferred that about Gil.


Shields?

 

[Gargoyle_1]

@Waifu

Never said that Gil would resist the Time Killer, just saying.

Hakumen would also have to get through the nearly infinite number of shields he has while also finishing him before Gil pulls out Ea (which comes out surprisingly quickly with this incarnation). In addition, engaging him in close combat is still risky since this Gil is far more capable with his weapons as he actively engages with other Servants.

How fast does EA charge anyway?

 

[Reppuzan]

@AquaWaifu

Gilgamesh possesses countless numbers of bucklers, barriers, magical forcefields e.t.c. as all shields throughout human history are retroactively given to him. This includes shields like Akhilleus Cosmos, a conceptual shield that phases attacks into the world it embodies.

If Hakumen wishes to reach a relatively serious Gil, he'll have to dodge his omnidirectional sword storm (unless Hakumen can slash everything around him at once), get past all of Gil's shields and impediments, dodge Enkidu, and avoid getting hit in the face by Ea.

 

[AquaWaifu]

" A passive ability of Hakumen's. Whenever his sword, the Okami, comes into contact with a projectile, it instantly nullifies and destroys it, creating a temporary black hole-like void of vacuum energy that inflicts damage to those who come into contact with it equal to the nullified projectile's damage. Additionally, further projectiles that touch the Earthbind are nullified. "

All he has to do is hit the first sword in each direction and all others behind them are negated and destroyed. and given his speed even under speed equalization ( I forget is equalized to the highest speed or lowest speed of the combatants?) I think he could do that.

 

[Reppuzan]

@AquaWaifu

My question is whether or not he can do it to this but on a much larger scale due to Gil being serious.

 

[AquaWaifu]

Even though I am the OP, I would argue yes Hakumen could possibly accomplish such a feat.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

I'm actually inclined to go for Hakumen here, though extremely high dif. He'd be on his toes throughout the entire fight, using his projectile null and intangibility to stop the omnidirectional blade spam, but once he gets close enough to use time killer, thats the end for Gil, resistance to time manip or not.

Hakumen also has a ton of resistances, so the hax part of the GoB's weapon spam gets nulled even if they do hit him, but they will still do physical damage.

Enkidnu may work on targets of high divinity, but Hercules was able to break free despite his A rank diviniity, and Hercules is only mountain level to Hakumen's planet level. I would say the Susanoo unit would give Hakumen a high divinity, but probably only equivalent of lower than Hercule's.

Hakumen 5.1/10

 

[HalfAsianFan]

@Reppu

Probably actually not due to the weird way in which speed equalized matches apparently work, where literally all movement happens at the same speed, as Hakumen would only be able to move his arm at the same speed as the weapons from GoB. If they all arrive at more or less the same time he wouldn't be able to do anything about it.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

As a main of Hakuman myself(though Noel is bae) I can't see him accomplishing a bigger feat then that AND dodging EA AND the fact that Gil can't have his arm sliced due to his armor,

If his time killer can work, then this may go either way, if it doesn't, Gil can take it.

 

[AquaWaifu]

Well then he'll just have to move around as he earthbinds everything. Plus that sword IS pretty long, but yeah he would probably take some damage due to Omnidirectional AoE of Shword Spam..

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

@Reppu
Probably actually not due to the weird way in which speed equalized matches apparently work, where literally all movement happens at the same speed, as Hakumen would only be able to move his arm at the same speed as the weapons from GoB. If they all arrive at more or less the same time he wouldn't be able to do anything about it.

True, I forgot about the wierdness of speed equalised

With more angles of attack, Gil takes this

 

[Gargoyle_1]

I still vote Gil BTW

 

[AquaWaifu]

Oh wait i forgot Hakumen's huge range advantage even at its lowest is equal to goB with his energy attacks would that change anything?


and I also remembered he has his Distortion Drive Counter Winter's Riposte and Dream State which allows him access to all his special techniques infintely with no repecussions for a short time.

Winter's Riposte works on projectiles, it may possibly be an in-game only thing but he sort of moves forward quite a distance to slash his opponent.


Would this do anything?

 

[Gargoyle_1]

A range advantage against someone who can spam dimension cutting weapons and lasers? How was this missed?

Shouldn't change the fact he gets EA'd

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

With Gil's defences he should be able to hold on long enough to bind him with enkidu and blast him with EA's concept crushing attack.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

@Reppuzan

Gilgamesh doesn't have Akhilleus Kosmos or other divine constructs in his vault with the exception of EA.

 

[HalfAsianFan]

Gonna have to go with Gil here for reasons above and the fact that it's speed equalised. Haku will be overwhelmed by GoB, and take hits from EA.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

Bump

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Now that I've had a little time to think about it, I'm going to go with Gil. He does have range advantage and can fight Haku up close if it comes to it.

This would be a LONG fight as Haku would take a long time to put down but Gil can literally surround him with GoB portals and overwhelm him. Haku's abilities will allow him to stem the tide but I think that's all he'd be able to do.

Also, Gil always has SNI to use.

So yeah, going with Gil based on this and reasons. It'll be a fight but Gil will win and possible pick up Ookami for his troubles.

 

[AquaWaifu]

how does he have range advanage? Hakumen's ranged attacks are anywhere from several hundred meters to several kilometers.


Gilgamesh with GoB is at least several hundred meters, the LOW end of Hakumen's ranged.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

@Aqua

I meant in the fact that Gil can attack from any angle at anytime within his effective range. I apologize if I wasn't specific enough. I was not looking at range as "How far can his attacks go" but as "Where can he attack from".

 

[AquaWaifu]

Hmm well Hakumen's earthbind can deal with GoB, yes he will get hit at first due to speed equalization, but all he has to do hit swords coming from each direction and GoB is worthless (well okay not worthlesss but its dealt with.)

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

The things is that Earthbind requires physical contact to first create it's vaccuum and saying that Hakumen can hit everything if attacked from 360 degrees is a little farfetched. It works on the assumption that Hakumen will never make a mistake and can intercept every single projectile at once.

True, Earthbind can cut off a particular avenue of attack but only for a time as it will eventually dissapate.

If Hakumen stays within GoB's effective range he can literally be surrounded by portals. He could stop some but not all. That's what I meant about him stemming the tide but not stopping it.

 

[AquaWaifu]

Which is WHY I said in previous post he would at first take some hits.


Heres what happens just so theres no confusion


Hakumen gets surrounded by GoB portals and swords

Hakumen does a large swipe front of him to create a vacuum, on all the intial swords in front of him, this absorbs ALL the swords behind the ones he hit. and when the vaccuum is hit by more projectiles it continues to exist. IIRC

Hakumen thne gets hit by swords from behind and the side, takes some damage which is slightly delat with by his low regen, but he DOES tak damage...then he earthbinds the swords coming from THOSE directions.


Makes sense? Or am I missing something?

 

[Gargoyle_1]

You're missing Gil screaming Enuma Elish and erasing him, he simply doesn't have the time to deflect them all before getting erased.

Of course, he only does this if his master tells him. Which is why I say make them blood lusted.

 

[AquaWaifu]

Why would I do that when it benefit ONLY Gil?

 

[Gargoyle_1]

Because it only NERF him if you don't and if Hakumen can only beat a nerfed Gil then it's not entirely fair is it?

Also, ALL OF HIS DECISIONS are decided by a master, no master, no Enuma.