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Hades Fights Another Hound of Hell

So uh, what stops Hades from dumping a crapton of souls into Garm and then transmuting him? It's not like Garm has a strength advantage over Hades to begin with, given that GoW3 Kratos scales far, far above his Norse self. Hell, what stops Hades from transmuting him into something else or BFR'ing him to the pits of Tartarus?
 
And before anyone asks about the portals, Hades has chain-based countermeasures to restrain Garm and even has Corruption to boot. Not to mention power-null.
 
KLOL506 said:
So uh, what stops Hades from dumping a crapton of souls into Garm and then transmuting him? It's not like Garm has a strength advantage over Hades to begin with, given that GoW3 Kratos scales far, far above his Norse self. Hell, what stops Hades from transmuting him into something else or BFR'ing him to the pits of Tartarus?
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Well this takes place in Midgard, so his magic won't work the same way it would in his home turf. Besides, Garm can open holes between realms, so he could likely escape any BFR.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
Well this takes place in Midgard, so his magic won't work the same way it would in his home turf. Besides, Garm can open holes between realms, so he could likely escape any BFR.
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Magic doesn't get nullified like that in GoW. Not unless your name is Fear Zeus.
 
KLOL506 said:
Magic doesn't get nullified like that in GoW. Not unless your name is Fear Zeus.
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Plus, Hades has complete control over every aspect of the Underworld. He took control of the energy and the realm, and now all that energy emanates from him. It goes to Kratos when he yanks out Hades' soul, and it is forever destroyed when Fear Zeus trashes all of his equipment.
 
Huh.

Hades is almost neutered here, though he still has a vast array of abilities to draw from to attack Garm. His soul-based attacks aside, he can summon a plethora of monsters and beings whose souls he's claimed to use their powers on the Hound of Hel.

He can also just imbue Garm with a soul, though this isn't that intuitive and would take a fair bit of combat to decide to do so. An option he has is dragging Garm to the Underworld but not only can the latter just come back with portals, something tells me leaving a Realm devouring monster on your domain is a bad idea entirely.

Garm himself might actually have the power advantage since he's on par with Ragnarok Kratos, though it isn't a particularly big one. His claws and teeth would tear Hades apart and getting swallowed would spell the end of the God of the Underworld. He can also use his ice attacks as a melee option and come back from death anyway.

All in all, I can see Hades having the fight of his life here but eventually thinking outside the box and pinning Garm down with chains before doing the reverse of his usual style and imbuing Garm with a soul of the damned that he'd be able to control.

Voting for Hades mid to high-diff.
 
KLOL506 said:
So uh, what stops Hades from dumping a crapton of souls into Garm and then transmuting him? It's not like Garm has a strength advantage over Hades to begin with, given that GoW3 Kratos scales far, far above his Norse self. Hell, what stops Hades from transmuting him into something else or BFR'ing him to the pits of Tartarus?
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KLOL506 said:
And before anyone asks about the portals, Hades has chain-based countermeasures to restrain Garm and even has Corruption to boot. Not to mention power-null.
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Well he wouldn't likely start with that, regardless. Garm could still take Hades by surprise and erase him from existence with his conceptual manipulation, which Hades has no resistance to. And Garm really shouldn't be vastly weaker than the top-tier Greek gods given how much trouble he gave Kratos, who should still be relative to his GoW 3 self. And Hades also doesn't have resistance to space-time manipulation.

At the very least, this isn't a stomp for Hades, and personally I think it's a pretty clever match-up.
 
Planck69 said:
Huh.

Hades is almost neutered here, though he still has a vast array of abilities to draw from to attack Garm. His soul-based attacks aside, he can summon a plethora of monsters and beings whose souls he's claimed to use their powers on the Hound of Hel.

He can also just imbue Garm with a soul, though this isn't that intuitive and would take a fair bit of combat to decide to do so. An option he has is dragging Garm to the Underworld but not only can the latter just come back with portals, something tells me leaving a Realm devouring monster on your domain is a bad idea entirely.

Garm himself might actually have the power advantage since he's on par with Ragnarok Kratos, though it isn't a particularly big one. His claws and teeth would tear Hades apart and getting swallowed would spell the end of the God of the Underworld. He can also use his ice attacks as a melee option and come back from death anyway.

All in all, I can see Hades having the fight of his life here but eventually thinking outside the box and pinning Garm down with chains before doing the reverse of his usual style and imbuing Garm with a soul of the damned that he'd be able to control.

Voting for Hades mid to high-diff.
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All this sounds ******* sweet and would look like a pretty cool fight to animate. Based on that, also gonna vote Hades.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
Well he wouldn't likely start with that, regardless. Garm could still take Hades by surprise and erase him from existence with his conceptual manipulation, which Hades has no resistance to. And Garm really shouldn't be vastly weaker than the top-tier Greek gods given how much trouble he gave Kratos. And Hades also doesn't have resistance to space-time manipulation.
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Chains are actually a pretty common go-to move for Hades, BFR and Transmutation shenanigans equally so. Hades is smarter than most people give him credit for.

Oh yeah, completely forgot, man has Sleep Manip too.

So yeah, Hades will definitely be pushed hard here, but he's got enough tricks up his sleeve to turn the tide in his favor. For those reasons and Planck's, I'll vote Hades.

Can't wait for someone to make a spite match with GoW3 Kratos vs Thor now
 
Hades doesn't even have to kill Garm once he puts a soul in him because he'll be docile and tamed

Hades gets a new Hellhound FRA
 
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