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Gravity Falls General Discussion Thread

StrymULTRA said:
Hence why this is much better.
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Fair

Btw can we move power bestowing Ford and showcasing to travel galaxy to feats? Also I think as supportive to Immeasurable for his Weirdmageddon Key we can use Strym’s old arg on Infinite Speed except that it really should be on Immeasurable, given that it is accepted that the rift would destroy time too.

But it’s just a suggestion.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Btw can we move power bestowing Ford and showcasing to travel galaxy to feats? Also I think as supportive to Immeasurable for his Weirdmageddon Key we can use Strym’s old arg on Infinite Speed except that it really should be on Immeasurable, given that it is accepted that the rift would destroy time too.
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This would be an Immeasurable feat only if the rift´s explosion travelled through time, in this context he is just encompassing it and then destroying
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
It applies to both
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No? What you sent is literally about spatial dimensions and traveling between universes.
Accelerated_Evolution said:
According to your logic every single Low 2-C character has Immeasurable speed.....
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No, because they are doing it with powers, not Low 2-C explosion or smth like that.
Accelerated_Evolution said:
The attack doesn´t have Immeasurable speed, Frisk has by moving through space-time to dodge it, that´s said on the blog itself
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Asriel Dreemurr in the Angel/God of Hyperdeath form, as he could consistently fight against Frisk during his whole boss fight and he treats the Hyper Goner just as another one of his attacks, implying that he is that fast in general
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This one literally means that Hypergoner is Immeasurable, lol.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
It would cover the entire space-time, so why wouldn’t it count? Similarly to Hypergoner
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It's not the same... like at all.

Hyper Goner is not Immeasurable by its own, is Frisk dodging that attack what counts as Imm as that proved that Asriel's attacks are all generally as fast as the destruction.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Why not? It sucks in entire timeline with its time axis.

If “that attack” is not immeasurable, then Frisk doesn’t have immeasurable for dodging it too. Lol.
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You know... I lose my shit when people strawman me, so let me explain again.

NO ONE said that Hyper Goner isn't Immeasurable, I just said that usually, when someone uses an attack that destroys a Tier 2/1 structure, they do not scale to infinite/immeasurable speed (despite that attack is), unless they have solid proofs of them having comparable speed of said attacks, example them reacting to that attack used against them, etc.

Alien X fits the latter case, hence why he's Imm.
 
StrymULTRA said:
NO ONE said that Hyper Goner isn't Immeasurable
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Accelerated_Evolution said:
The attack doesn´t have Immeasurable speed, Frisk has by moving through space-time to dodge it, that´s said on the blog itself
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StrymULTRA said:
Hyper Goner is not Immeasurable by its own, is Frisk dodging that attack what counts as Imm as that proved that Asriel's attacks are all generally as fast as the destruction.
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Huh?
StrymULTRA said:
when someone uses an attack that destroys a Tier 2/1 structure, they do not scale to infinite/immeasurable speed (despite that attack is), unless they have solid proofs of them having comparable speed of said attacks, example them reacting to that attack used against them, etc.
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I was going to use it as supportive, given that Bill should be comparable to the rift as he’s directly empowered by it and he stabilizes it and that Bill is already Immeasurable so it would be consistent lol.
StrymULTRA said:
Alien X fits the latter case, hence why he's Imm.
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Unfortunately.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Why not? It sucks in entire timeline with its time axis.
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Even absorbing a space-time continuum with a physically moving attack (which has been stated/shown many times) is useless if an anti-feat is involved.

In such cases, we make a speed calculation using only the radius of the observable universe, and the result is quadrillions times the speed of light.
 
CodeCCLL said:
Even absorbing a space-time continuum with a physically moving attack (which has been stated/shown many times) is useless if an anti-feat is involved.

In such cases, we make a speed calculation using only the radius of the observable universe, and the result is quadrillions times the speed of light.
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Uhhh, how is this relevant though?
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Huh?
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I could have worded it better, yes.
CodeCCLL said:
Even absorbing a space-time continuum with a physically moving attack (which has been stated/shown many times) is useless if an anti-feat is involved.
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TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Uhhh, how is this relevant though?
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Okay... in short, not every explosion that covering the space-time continuum is immeasurable. While the explosion has a physical spread speed, we do not assume that this attack is immeasurably speed unless there is conclusive proof that the explosion moves along the space-time continuum, and if there are anti-feats we tend to go for lower balls (where the explosion only physically moves through 3D space and the assumption that it reaches 4D space-time continuum due to its range).
 
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CodeCCLL said:
Okay... in short, not every explosion that covering the space-time continuum is immeasurable. While the explosion has a physical spread speed, we do not assume that this attack is immeasurably speed unless there is conclusive proof that the explosion moves along the space-time continuum, and if there are anti-feats we tend to go for lower balls (where the explosion only physically moves through 3D space and the assumption that it reaches 4-dimensional space due to its range).
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Ok but how is it this relevant here? Neither Undertale nor GF fit these.
 
So... what do we do with this?

docs.google.com

Better Call Cipher!

BETTER CALL CIPHER! Document 7/29/24 10:30am EST - griefed doc restored to Good Version 3.0 Thank you for calling the Bill Cipher Personal Agony Hotline! Bill Cipher is currently busy laughing at someone else's pain, but call ba- Click here to go back to the hub doc. SECT...
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StrymULTRA said:
So... what do we do with this?

docs.google.com

Better Call Cipher!

BETTER CALL CIPHER! Document 7/29/24 10:30am EST - griefed doc restored to Good Version 3.0 Thank you for calling the Bill Cipher Personal Agony Hotline! Bill Cipher is currently busy laughing at someone else's pain, but call ba- Click here to go back to the hub doc. SECT...
docs.google.com docs.google.com
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Pretty sure we’d index the guy trapped within phones as another victim of Bill’s Soul Manipulation, and due to it being for eternity, specify that the effect’s of Bill’s deals last until the end of reality. Also, he kills Gus, which is a 4th Wall Won’t Save You moment, so we’d probably have to index that as part of Bill’s extreme 4th Wall Breaking and Awareness, similar to how Popeye or Yakko have affected their own animators.
 
I think that I am done with the P&A. Check like... every key as I added and removed stuff.

vsbattles.fandom.com

StrymULTRA/Bill PA

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I'll remake new justifications for speed and other statistics later on.
 
Actually, we have very strict standards for HDE ever since Pein made higher-dimensional existence standards harder... (nevermind)
Also apparently this part was also rejected while you were banned.
[https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/8620936]
 
CodeCCLL said:
Actually, we have very strict standards for HDE ever since Pein made higher-dimensional existence standards harder... (nevermind)
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Keyword on possibly
CodeCCLL said:
Also apparently this part was also denied while you were banned.
[https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/8620936]
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I am aware, and the entire reason was off argument from incredulity with non-knownledgeable staff members agreeing with it.

I plan in re-installing it, duh.
 
Anyway, forgot to add this:
Plus I just decided to not add anything about Gus. Basing on the GF Wiki, that Twitter page seems to be only a in-universe thing made only to promote GF stuff, and not an actual real company which just happened to be "infected from Bill" (that being the Disney Books site or Barnes & Nobles, those are acceptable examples instead). The thing seems to be too vague at the moment to count as anything, especially when it's this meta.
 
You should include on Power Bestowal that whilst possessing Blendin he was able to use his sleep manipulation, and that he was able to give (normal women) Witches powers. That way it being based on deals is backed up. Also, small list:

Projection

Bill can project himself into anything with neurons, (meaning the Book is directly exhibiting his powers as he is projecting himself into it, making it applicable for sharing abilities).

Was able to scan all possible future timelines to see his defeat and astrally project a message across the globe.

Regeneration

The Book of Bill (and thus Bill) can come back from molecular destabilization, (this scan also doubles down on the book being made of brain matter).

Regenerated from lasting damage caused by the Memory Gun after exiting McGucket's head.

So Bill should have Limited Mid-Godly.

Omnscience/Omni-Sight and Intelligence (as well as Multilinguism)

Was aware of Stanford's meddlings with the Book of Bill despite being dead and trapped within the Theraprism,

Is aware of Mabel's communication in the Astral Plane with The Beast, (as well as used her dreams to find her weakness).

Ford doubles down on Bill's ability to see the future, (and implies Bill can offer to teach you how to "speak tree" as well as how to make nukes of of rubber ducklings, {which Bill also claims to know}),

Was able to scan all possible future timelines to see his defeat and astrally project a message across the globe,

Power Bestowal

Bestowed upon normal women (Witches) magic, a life of sin and pleasure (how isn't stated), the ability to speak to beasts, and claimed to be capable of surface scaling whilst possessing a creature,

Instinctive Reaction?

Can conquer dynasties whilst dissociated (meaning some form of instinctive reaction?)

Social Influencing

Bill has seduced Galaxies,

Extrasensory Perception

Bill states there are many colors we cannot see that he can

Memory and Dream Manipulation

Can hold onto memories he's seen/manipulated (to show others) and prank people in their dreams

Curse Manipulation/Extension of Dream Manipulation

Cursed a wizard's time period with Nightmares for 100 Years.

Possession

Possesses an excommunicated priest via a Spirit Board,

EXTRA:

The Mindscape connects all consciousness.

Resistance to Radiation

Bill was unaffected by Radiation when he opened a temporary rift with it.

Is unaffected by portal radiation capable of melting people.

Hypnosis, Tech and Intelligence

Made a computer with trinary code capable of mass hypnosis, and floppy drives capable of eating fingers, as well as causing suicide to programmers who worked on it.

Power Bestowal???

After Martha took in toxic fumes that causes people to hallucinate (allowing her to see Bill), her experience with him (we don't know what outside of seeing the toy designs he made) gave her the ability to speak in tongues, leak black fluid from their eyes, and make nearby cats float when asked their origin.

???

Can laugh so hard (from the Nightmare Realm) it can be detected on radar.

Summoning

Bill can summon DARYLL to end humanity.

Foresight and Info Analysis?

Saw Stanford's possible futures, was able to analyze his intellect once inside his head and immediately tell how ingenius he was.

Possession

Possessed a legion of rats and shaped them.

???

Keeps the last atoms of his home Dimension.

Hallucination Inducement

Can induce hallucinations (that seemingly stop time, ala his Summoning by Gideon), to communicate with his "puppets".

Also, you should probably include that Bill can constantly see through the eyes of those he’s possessed (and potentially killed), and his perception to messages within Static.

??? = Dunno how to rate that.
 
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StrymULTRA said:
Anyway, forgot to add this:
Plus I just decided to not add anything about Gus. Basing on the GF Wiki, that Twitter page seems to be only a in-universe thing made only to promote GF stuff, and not an actual real company which just happened to be "infected from Bill" (that being the Disney Books site or Barnes & Nobles, those are acceptable examples instead). The thing seems to be too vague at the moment to count as anything, especially when it's this meta.
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Fair.
 
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