Grand Priest vs Giratina

[PaChi2]

GP is almost over.

 

[Dragopentling]

That's... not how Anti-Matter works...? At least in real life it isn't.

Except, it is. When matter and antimatter interact, they both annihilate, converting 100% of their mass into energy.
And as far as I know, GP is made of matter.

Of course this also creates an explosion that will bother neither GP nor Gira. But I don't think GP will be as unbothered by no longer having a physical form.

Would the other two dragons plus Darkrai and Arceus technically have resistances to said Antimatter manipulation, though?

 

[Zeifyl]

Would the other two dragons plus Darkrai and Arceus technically have resistances to said Antimatter manipulation, though?

Arceus, definitely. Dialga/Palkia, maybe. Darkrai, probably not.

 

[Everything12]

Well Dialga and Palkia have been in the Distortion World, which is made of Anti-Matter, before and not have their Avatars been Annihilated.

 

[Zeifyl]

So has Cyrus and Cynthia, so I think it's more likely that Giratina, with its conceptual control over how antimatter works, just decided that they weren't going to annihilate.

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

Giratina FRA

 

[Dragomer]

Once it touches the Grand Priest, both the antimatter and GP are turned into pure energy.

So it can't kill GP, okay.

People are forgetting GP has immortality type 5, turning him into 'energy' isn't going to kill him and that's ignoring his transmutation resistance.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

If it doesn't kill him it would incap as it will seal him like what it did to Palkia and Dialga

 

[Dragomer]

If it doesn't kill him it would incap as it will seal him like what it did to Palkia and Dialga

It would seal him in another dimension which is negated by his dimensional travel, teleportation and his own BFR.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It will put him in some kind of Crystal like it did to the creation Duo, not even Palkia, Who has those abilities and created Space was able to escape from Giratina's sealing.

 

[PaChi2]

GP is over

 

[Dragomer]

GP is over

been over for a while TBH.

 

[Soupywolf5]

It ended like a week ago

 

[Dragopentling]

Once it touches the Grand Priest, both the antimatter and GP are turned into pure energy.

So it can't kill GP, okay.
People are forgetting GP has immortality type 5, turning him into 'energy' isn't going to kill him and that's ignoring his transmutation resistance.

I'm pretty sure Transmutation resistance doesn't stop one from being converted from mass into pure energy.

 

[Dragomer]

Once it touches the Grand Priest, both the antimatter and GP are turned into pure energy.

So it can't kill GP, okay.
People are forgetting GP has immortality type 5, turning him into 'energy' isn't going to kill him and that's ignoring his transmutation resistance.

I'm pretty sure Transmutation resistance doesn't stop one from being converted from mass into pure energy.

Transmutation include energy (according to the page about it at least), turning matter into energy and energy into matter is litteraly transmutation.

 

[Dragopentling]

When has he shone resistance as such? Or was it just via game lore like with Pokemon?

 

[Akreious]

When has he shone resistance as such? Or was it just via game lore like with Pokemon?

Think it's scaling to SSJ Vegito being turned into Candy but still being able to fight; Grand Priest being much stronger should be able to flat-out no sell it.

Also, as noted above, being turned into energy won't stop Grand Priest at all since his Type 5 means he'd still be moving around and doing stuff as an Energy-state being.

I'm super tired right now so what's the reason for Giratina winning again? IIRC it's EE which Grand Priest resists in spades and if it's Conversion-Into-Energy then Type 5 means he'd still be fully functional.

 

[Everything12]

Where does Grand Priests EE resistance come from?

 

[Dragomer]

When has he shone resistance as such? Or was it just via game lore like with Pokemon?

Think it's scaling to SSJ Vegito being turned into Candy but still being able to fight; Grand Priest being much stronger should be able to flat-out no sell it.
Also, as noted above, being turned into energy won't stop Grand Priest at all since his Type 5 means he'd still be moving around and doing stuff as an Energy-state being.

I'm super tired right now so what's the reason for Giratina winning again? IIRC it's EE which Grand Priest resists in spades and if it's Conversion-Into-Energy then Type 5 means he'd still be fully functional.

As far as i'v seen it's 'muh conceptual' which somehow negate all of GP's resistance, doesn't make sense to me TBH.

 

[Dragopentling]

We do not specifically state it negates the resistances straight up. Giratina basically embodies and controls the very concept of anti-matter.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

At least for now, I don't support any of the fighters. But could you explain to me how Giratina would use her conceptual control of anti-matter to end the great priest overcoming type 5 immortality?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It would incap him like Palkia and Dialga

 

[Dragomer]

It would incap him like Palkia and Dialga

I don't see how, teleportation still solve the crystal issue, especialy when at worst he just self BFR.

And does it seal him or turn him into energy or does it EE ? i'v seen all three claims.

 

[Dragopentling]

^

at very least it will incap and seal him.

Also, I'm still searching for physical proof of GP's upscaling

I noticed GP's lack of BFR resistance...kinda weird.


one more thing....I know this is somewhat unrelated, but idk why people here still suggest GP resists anything here but seem fine with said character being countered by passive Fate hax in another. How would Fate hax matter if GP supposedly has Prob manipulation, anyway? The consistency of recent arguments for GP due to DBH suddenly revealing it has supposedly 4D level hax feels weird.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Well not even Palkia could escape It, Palkia controls all the boundaries of Space, and has Teleportation and Dimensional travel

 

[Zeifyl]

I don't see how, teleportation still solve the crystal issue, especialy when at worst he just self BFR.
And does it seal him or turn him into energy or does it EE ? i'v seen all three claims.

It has feats of sealing, but according to physics, it should also turn him into energy.

 

[Dragomer]

Well not even Palkia could escape It, Palkia controls all the boundaries of Space, and has Teleportation and Dimensional travel

GP goes to places without space nor time though and Palkia's 'spatial' thing doesn't extent to Giratina who is the opposite of that, so it didn't work because it somehow counter either of those.

 

[Dragopentling]

There's at least one VERY good reason why the CT are quarantined within their own "home" dimensions most of the time. Those said dimensions aren't exactly bound by the normal confines of space-time, and neither are the boundaries (inhabited by countless numbers of Unown) separating them.

There's more important reasons, but I'll wait for the DBH advocates' takes to finish.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

So ... can Giratina only defeat GP by sealing him?

 

[Dragopentling]

So ... can Giratina only defeat GP by sealing him?

Resistance =/= Immunity on same tier level

also Giratina can BFR in worst case scenario, which GP doesn't seem to resist at all, as I stated.

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

So ... can Giratina only defeat GP by sealing him?

Resistance =/= Immunity on same tier level
also Giratina can BFR in worst case scenario, which GP doesn't seem to resist at all, as I stated.

I don't think BFR is gonna cut it given that the DBH Multiverse is bigger than the Pokemon multiverse.

 

[IvoryAS]

Bump?

 

[Dragopentling]

Thread already concluded. I guess someone can close this.

 

[IvoryAS]

Hmm. Okay.

 

[Dragopentling]

Yea, sry bout that.